Author Topic: Parents: White Teacher Should Not Teach Black History (Read 1975 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:05:34 PM »

Well, in part, thats why I put the quotes around "our."

But my point was that after all this bloody struggle to end sergegation, now the new civil rights leaderhip is pushing for it in every aspect of life - especially with children.. I think it's tragic and stupid.

Butt it's intersting how you dont recognize a common american culture, as in the mix of experiences we face every day as americans...

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #31 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:12:00 PM »

Edited Post: Culture has nothing to do with the original post at hand, so I'm curious as to why you used it in this thread?
-SW

jamusta · « **Reply #32 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:43:05 PM »

Ramzey to answer your question since funked did a piss poor job,
black history is not a seperate history than that of american history. It is simply the history of the contributions that black americans have done for this country. The part that american history wont teach you. Such as:

July 10th 1893
Dr. Daniel Hale Williams performs the world's first open-heart surgery on a young man named James Cornish. James was rushed to Provident Hospital in Chicago with a stab wound

Louis Latimer invented the filament for Edison's light bulb. Until Latimer's filament, Edison's light bulbs would burn only for a few minutes. Latimer's filament burned for hours.

J. Standard invented the refrigerator in 1891
Garrett Morgan traffic light 1923
George Washington Carver peanut butter 1896

Need I go on??

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #33 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:59:07 PM »

Culture has everything to do with this thread...

What kind of definition for the word "culture" do you have?

Imagine if somebody tried to do this 10-20 years ago, they would be laughed at if not worse.

Or imagine now if it was reversed and some white parents objected to a black proffessor teaching a course titled "European History."

One aspect of culture is just about what is considered acceptable in society at any give time.

For example US culture, as reflected in US laws, as of 60 years ago considered it acceptable to have a segregated army with "black only" units. Now that is not culturaly acceptable and it is not the case. 40 years ago it was acceptable in US culture, and reflected in laws, that black people have seperate water fountains and dining facilities at restaurants (if they were even allowed in). Or that blacks could only ride in the back of the bus - again this is no longer the case.

Also 40 years ago liberals considered it abhorrent that black students were segregaed from white students, but today apperently some liberals are opening up to the idea that segregation is a great idea. Their ideas and thought have changed on the matter - and since another aspect of culture is ideas - the culture has changed.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2003, 12:02:36 AM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
Ramzey to answer your question since funked did a piss poor job,
black history is not a seperate history than that of american history. It is simply the history of the contributions that black americans have done for this country. The part that american history wont teach you. Such as:

July 10th 1893
Dr. Daniel Hale Williams performs the world's first open-heart surgery on a young man named James Cornish. James was rushed to Provident Hospital in Chicago with a stab wound

Louis Latimer invented the filament for Edison's light bulb. Until Latimer's filament, Edison's light bulbs would burn only for a few minutes. Latimer's filament burned for hours.

J. Standard invented the refrigerator in 1891
Garrett Morgan traffic light 1923
George Washington Carver peanut butter 1896

Need I go on??

If you must but most of those were taught to me in my school. The ones who didn't make the cut were Carver (peanut butter, mmmmmmm thank you sir!! ~~) and Standard for the refrigerator that holds the milk I drink with my PB sandwich (MMMMMMM THANK YOU SIR!!! ).~~

jonnyb · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2003, 12:36:43 AM »

The simple fact is that the teacher (white, black, yellow, blue with orange polkadots) should be hired to teach the subject based on qualifications. If not, then it is a case of discrimination.

Dinger · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2003, 12:39:30 AM »

Well, it's clear that most of the americans in this thread don't know their black history, or haven't read the article very closely.

First, this is Oberlin, OH. I happen to know oberlin fairly well -- I lived there for three and a half years. Oberlin is a town outside of cleveland with a population of about 9000 -- 3000 of these are students. The college was founded somewhere around 1833 by abolitionists, and was the first college in the country to admit blacks and women at the same status as white men. It was a major stop on the underground railroad, and a major (and successful) riot broke out once when an attempt was made to "return an escape slave" Throughout the years it's retained that radical character.

Now put this thing in the middle of rural Northern Ohio, 7 miles from a town that at the city limits, proudly announces that it's the hometown of a CMH recipient -- certainly something to be proud of. Of course, it's also the hometown of a Nobel Prize winner, but there's no indication of that. Yeah, you guessed the difference.

So you have a teacher who was popular and was reassigned, and during the summer, when the students are gone (because Lord knows they'd raise holy hell if they were in town. Free time and idealism is a bad combination in rich kids from New York City).
We're not getting the full story, and this isn't your typical community.
But that's true of american history in general. Thanks to Liz Cheney, we can proudly state that "our history is too important to leave in the hands of professional historians". And the result is the stuff jamusta has to say about US history is news to most people.

Oh and Heismann (of trophy fame) and Nine Inch Nails went to Oberlin HS

jamusta · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2003, 01:51:38 AM »

Well the things I mentioned were not in any of my american history books and I went to a majority black school. Unfortunately the racial walls will not fall in my lifetime. Things are alot better but we are far from equal in america. Racism is not as out in the open but it still exist.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2003, 02:28:42 AM »

Will we be more "equal" if this white teacher is kicked out of the class? Would it be better if he taught from the back of the class? Perhaps from a special desk and maybe only if he used a special board...

funkedup · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2003, 02:34:36 AM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
Racism is not as out in the open but it still exist.

As evidenced by the story.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2003, 02:48:47 AM »

"July 10th 1893
Dr. Daniel Hale Williams performs the world's first open-heart surgery on a young man named James Cornish. James was rushed to Provident Hospital in Chicago with a stab wound

Louis Latimer invented the filament for Edison's light bulb. Until Latimer's filament, Edison's light bulbs would burn only for a few minutes. Latimer's filament burned for hours.

J. Standard invented the refrigerator in 1891
Garrett Morgan traffic light 1923
George Washington Carver peanut butter 1896

Need I go on??"

I can..

The Gas Mask guy
The "Real McCoy" railroad tech inventor guy

But that proves nothing? Unless of course you saying all other history books are full of pages and pages cataloging every invention ever made by some white guy? Or even that such
information is common knowlege. In other words only history geeks know such things or care about them on such a detailed level...

jamusta · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2003, 03:25:12 AM »

racism goes both ways thes days.

Grunz u are missing the point...history books goes in great details about white men who have done great things for this country. but nothing is really said about any great minority in american history. i learned edison invented the light bulb bell the telephone. who knew that Latimer made the drawings for the phone and made the filament for the bulb...not me

SOB · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2003, 03:27:02 AM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
Well the things I mentioned were not in any of my american history books and I went to a majority black school. Unfortunately the racial walls will not fall in my lifetime. Things are alot better but we are far from equal in america. Racism is not as out in the open but it still exist.

You're absolutely correct. There are inequalities, though they are less due to race and more due to class. Fortunately, regardless of what class you start out in, there is opportunity in this country to better yourself and your situation. And there's certainly racism, and unfortunately it comes from all directions. Some is not as out in the open as it once was, as in the case of person to person racism, while some is quite open and prevalent as in our government mandated racism, aka: affirmative action.

SOB

Animal · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2003, 04:24:42 AM »

Now this is jsut ****ing stupid.

Hortlund · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2003, 04:52:46 AM »

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Originally posted by jamusta

Need I go on??

Yes please, this is interesting.