Author Topic: Parents: White Teacher Should Not Teach Black History (Read 1976 times)

mjolnir · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2003, 06:45:49 AM »

Yes, please continue. So far you've named a couple of inventors. I'm waiting for something more interesting, because frankly, I don't really care who made the light bulb, or the filament inside the light bulb. When I need a lightbulb, I go to Wal Mart and get a light bulb. Flick switch, lightbulb turns on. And then I go back to never thinking about light bulbs.

So what else have you got jamusta?

Bodhi · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2003, 07:38:40 AM »

Well said mjolner,

I could really give a rat's prettythang as to who invented a damn thing, other than the principle behind how it works there is no need to know who made the damn thing, that's just ego. As for "white" and "black" history, how about this: Just teach plain old history. Cripes all these damn revisionists want "their" versions of history taught to people, well ask your self this, does the color of the teacher really freaking matter so long as the material is the same? Exactly, until these imbeciles that seem to know it all get their heads outta their arse and stop thinking in terms of race, then racism will continue to be taught to their children.

Cripes, this whole argument makes me sick. It's a wonder those parents sleep at night.

lazs2 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2003, 08:22:30 AM »

we didn't get that much into inventions in our history classes. We certainly didn't get into the first recorded time someone opened up a heart. I think we mentioned blacks in the slavery part and in the civil war part.

Oh.. will it be a light skinned black or a dark skinned black that replaces the white guy?
lazs

DiabloTX · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2003, 08:36:48 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Oh.. will it be a light skinned black or a dark skinned black that replaces the white guy?
lazs

Ooooooohhhh!!! Classic!!!!!

muckmaw · « **Reply #49 on:** July 31, 2003, 08:49:36 AM »

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Originally posted by mjolnir
Yes, please continue. So far you've named a couple of inventors. I'm waiting for something more interesting, because frankly, I don't really care who made the light bulb, or the filament inside the light bulb. When I need a lightbulb, I go to Wal Mart and get a light bulb. Flick switch, lightbulb turns on. And then I go back to never thinking about light bulbs.

So what else have you got jamusta?

This is just silly.

Saying someone invented the filament is like saying Columbus did not discover America..his navigator did.

History is rife with people who are credited with achieving things and taking credit for others work. (BTW, we're pretty sure it was'nt columbus who discovered america. SOme say it was a Norseman. He was white too. Does it matter?)

I went to a 99% white high school. We did not have African, Asian, European, Antarican, history. We had American history.

Did they leave out the achievements of Afircan-Americans? Sure. Did they leave out Eurpean-Americans? Of course.

Who did I learn about?

Well, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglas, Alexander Crummel, and more. This is all I can remember off the top of my head.

The point is, there is only so much one can teach and students can absorb in one history class. Of course, the less important achievements are going to give way to the bigger achievements. So we don't know who made the filament for Edison's lght bulb. We know who led the civil rights movement, and who worked the underground railroad.

I want a qualified, unbiased teacher for my daughter, no matter what race, sex, religeon, or sexual orientation they are.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #50 on:** July 31, 2003, 08:59:16 AM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
racism goes both ways thes days.

Grunz u are missing the point...history books goes in great details about white men who have done great things for this country. but nothing is really said about any great minority in american history. i learned edison invented the light bulb bell the telephone. who knew that Latimer made the drawings for the phone and made the filament for the bulb...not me

Well thats just not true in my experience. I dont know when you went to school but ever since I came to this country all my US History classes had covered blacks, aisians, mexicans, and yes even them nasty whites. There is no need for seperate "black" history except as an elective. Where does one stop with this balakanization of identity?

Raubvogel · « **Reply #51 on:** July 31, 2003, 09:06:58 AM »

That story makes about as much sense as Kwanzaa.

Toad · « **Reply #52 on:** July 31, 2003, 10:42:22 AM »

Man! Think of the expansion in employment opportunities for the teaching profession. History will now be a "team taught" sport.

You'll have to get a good white history teacher, a good black (African American?) history teacher, a good Asian history teacher, then a good Native American history teacher, an Eskimo/Aleut teacher, a Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander and a Hispanic/ Latino teacher.

Of course, the chairmanship of the team cannot go to the white teacher; that'd be obvious bias.

The NEA will rejoice!

These are the minimum racial/ethnic categories for the US Census only, so we may need to add a few others to the team. Feel free to add some!

Sabre · « **Reply #53 on:** July 31, 2003, 10:51:18 AM »

And what would be the social background required of this black teacher? If he/she grew up in an affluent neighborhood and went to a private college, would that disqualify him/her? Culture is not genetic; rather, it is what you grew up knowing. Instead of working to promote racial segregation (as with most all-black ) programs, shouldn't people of color be fighting to have their contributions to American History, American culture more fully represented to every student, and not just to black students? Equal, or at least proportional representation, rather than segregation? Or are they only interested in making themselves feel better about themselves? "We don't care what the rest of Americans know about black history, so long as our people" know," seems to be the message. It makes me sick to see the so-called black leadership in America (and who elected them, anyway?) so damaging what Martin Luther King, Jr. and other great Americans (of all races) fought to achieve, i.e. equality and unity.

muckmaw · « **Reply #54 on:** July 31, 2003, 12:40:56 PM »

Unity?

Please....

They just opened up an All Gay High School here in NYC.

I just don't get it. Everyone wants equality, but they don't want unity.

So if I were 15, could I lobby for and get a high school for Italian americans born in America, who are Male of modest build, who don't wear eyeglasses, have no tatoos, smoke, own a dog, and like oral sex?

Because that's what were doing here. Male schools for boys. (gender) Special programs for African Americans. (Race) High schools for Gays (Sexual Orientation).

I'm white, male and straight. I want a school for people like me, and only me. Know what this is called? F*CKIN' SEGREGATION AND IT'S WRONG!

jamusta · « **Reply #55 on:** July 31, 2003, 02:26:35 PM »

Ok this disscussion has turned into something not even worth talking about anymore...Half of you are so blind you cant even see what I am typing...You have turned my comments into something they are not. The parents are wrong for wanting only black teachers to teach black history.. Any quailified teacher will do. No one wants to change the american history that is currently taught. No one wants to replace the history that is currently taught. BLACK HISTORY IS JUST A COURSE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE CONTRIBUTIONS AND SACRAFICES BLACK PEOPLE MADE WHILE HELPING TO BUILD THIS COUNTRY.... nothing more nothing less....
Notice I said to educate people and not to educate black people...
Take the class you might learn something....Oh but I forgot why would any of you wanna do that? The 5 pages in your history books was more than enough... Geezus open your mind and your donut will follow...

Oh and affirmative action is a tool used to equal the playing fields for all...Someone noticed that if an equally qualified white man went up against equally qualified women or minorities quess who got the job...Personally I dont need their f#$%ing handouts.

muckmaw · « **Reply #56 on:** July 31, 2003, 02:59:04 PM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
Ok this disscussion has turned into something not even worth talking about anymore...Half of you are so blind you cant even see what I am typing...You have turned my comments into something they are not. The parents are wrong for wanting only black teachers to teach black history.. Any quailified teacher will do. No one wants to change the american history that is currently taught. No one wants to replace the history that is currently taught. BLACK HISTORY IS JUST A COURSE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE CONTRIBUTIONS AND SACRAFICES BLACK PEOPLE MADE WHILE HELPING TO BUILD THIS COUNTRY.... nothing more nothing less....
Notice I said to educate people and not to educate black people...
Take the class you might learn something....Oh but I forgot why would any of you wanna do that? The 5 pages in your history books was more than enough... Geezus open your mind and your donut will follow...

Oh and affirmative action is a tool used to equal the playing fields for all...Someone noticed that if an equally qualified white man went up against equally qualified women or minorities quess who got the job...Personally I dont need their f#$%ing handouts.

Jam-

I can understand your frustrations. I've tried to see your points very carefully.

My point is, why do we need a seperate class to teach about contributions made by black americans? There is no question people of african descent made and are making great conrtibutions to this country and the world, but does the color of their skin require that their work be taught under a specific heading?

Do you think the current Ameican Histroy curriculm passes over the most prominant african americans?

I mean, the entire American space program was based upon the work of german immigrants. Do we need a special class to teach German-American history? How many american kids can tell you who Gunther Wendt was?

Dinger · « **Reply #57 on:** July 31, 2003, 03:05:44 PM »

Alright, first:

A) This particular case. We don't know the full story here. Yes, most would agree that all else being equal, a white teacher can teach Black History just as well as a black teacher.
This is what the local news is reporting, not what may actually be happening "on the ground". If you look into the story, you'll find that parents are upset because a popular teacher in a popular elective was being replaced because budget cuts and our absurd educational system that favors one degree in education over extensive experience and two masters degrees in the fields being taught made it such that he could teach American History and Black History, but not "Government".
What's the upshot of this? Well, a stink ensued, the Superintendent got the leverage to call the state and get more or less a guarantee that the teacher in question will get a temporary certification to teach government for two years.

B) The general rule. Come on guys how often do you see headlines like "School District strapped for cash tries to exploit loophole" or "Frustrated parents lobby for popular teacher"? or even "Appellate Judge makes outrageous decision in bid for new legislation"?

Instead, it's
"Oakland School District argues 'ebonics is a language'." and "Outrage that white man teaches Black History"

C) American History: white and black. Should our history even be about the deeds of "great men"? Columbus discovered America? What about the people who were already there?
The history of North America is the history of the clashing and blending of peoples from all over the world. BUt as it's usually told, it's a bunch of boring white guys who get edgy when talking about native americans and blacks. And what happens in the schools is a small part of the "history lesson" we all receive. throughout our culture the non-European influences are constantly downplayed. Until this situation changes, we could use classes like this to complete an education that goes beyond reinforcing stereotypes.

jamusta · « **Reply #58 on:** July 31, 2003, 03:17:33 PM »

Muck... Its just a class... Its not forced on anyone. Its is an elective. Why not teach german history? If one was of german descent but born in america, why shouldnt they have the chance to learn what thier people did for this country? I am frustrated because knuckleheads make idiotic comments and changing my comments to make it seem like black history should replace american history. Segregation whos talking about that. You wanna know why there are all black schools? Cus back when the majority of them were built blacks werent allowed in the other colleges. The black colleges just still exist. I wonder how many white people really wanna go to a black college? Then the affirmative action comments which had nothing to do with the thread. Then comments like "the nasty whites" where did that come from? Why are people willing to take a foreign language class which was a requirement at my school but sooo against learning someone elses history?

muckmaw · « **Reply #59 on:** July 31, 2003, 05:56:00 PM »

I'm not really sure why people are against it.

Personally, I like to believe that a standard history class would teach the contributions of all people, regardless of race.

I guess I live in a Utopian world, and get frustrated when somthing like this reminds me that we have a long way to go before we can really have unity.