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« Reply #420 on: August 07, 2003, 08:26:29 AM »
Have you all heard of the separation between church and state?

Good.

All those against gay marriages and benefits based on religious doctrinal reason may all just butt out right now.

This is a non-issue. The church is not needed to get married anymore, and it certainly has no right to voice it's opinion on a legal matter on whether the government passes legislation to enable gay married people to receive the same benefits that hetero couples do.

If you'd like to argue that gay marriages should be banned because of some other reason, fine. But the separation of church and state should immediately cease any further discussion based on religious scripture.

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« Reply #421 on: August 07, 2003, 08:30:45 AM »
Gay marriages should be banned because banana and SOB as a couple is repulsive.

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« Reply #422 on: August 07, 2003, 09:09:57 AM »
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Gay marriages should be banned because banana and SOB as a couple is repulsive.

:p


Hey, SOB is on the waiting list. Sling, Ripsnort and Funkeup are next for me, baby! :D

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« Reply #423 on: August 07, 2003, 12:16:20 PM »
Oh I see how it is, just the old standby, huh?!  :(
Three Times One Minus One.  Dayum!

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« Reply #424 on: August 07, 2003, 12:53:57 PM »
Frog promised us lesbo porn in the squad forum if this thread hits 500.  

You people just aren't trying hard enough.  You know why?  I do.  You want to deny us of that porn.  You are all evil.


Freud would have loved this thread.  Too bad for him, I guess.

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« Reply #425 on: August 07, 2003, 01:09:48 PM »
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Frog promised us lesbo porn in the squad forum if this thread hits 500.  
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What can Frog know about lesbo porn?

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« Reply #426 on: August 07, 2003, 05:16:57 PM »
Rude, capt. apathy, can you please explain this.



Sheep study suggests sexual orientation may be genetic


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A study showing a correlation between structural brain differences and sexual preferences in sheep supports an earlier human study that suggested orientation may be genetic.

The study found that a cluster of cells in the preoptic hypothalamus, a region of the brain known to be involved in sexual behavior and partner preference, was larger in male-oriented rams than in female-oriented rams or in ewes.

The research was led by Charles Roselli, a professor at Oregon Health & Science University, with help from scientists at Oregon State University and the U.S. Sheep Experiment Station in Dubois, Idaho.

"It indicates that there may be a biological (reason) for this sexual preference," Roselli said Monday from Orlando, where he was presenting the study during the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience. "This confirms the human studies."

In a human study in 1991, scientists found that a specific cluster of cells in the anterior hypothalamus, a part of the brain, was always larger for heterosexual males than for homosexual men or women. While scientists were careful to label the size difference a correlation rather than the cause of heterosexuality, they said it could indicate that sexual preference was genetic rather than a choice.

In the sheep study, 28 sheep were studied: nine rams that preferred to mate with males, eight rams that preferred to mate with females, and eleven ewes.

Roselli said it was important to do animal studies to confirm the results of the human studies because the research could be more controlled.

"Human studies are post mortem studies ... and you can never be sure whether the disease is what caused the differences. You're also depending on self reporting for sexual preferences," Roselli said. "In an animal study, you can control the behavioral experience the animal has, the social environment they're brought up in and their hormonal exposure as well."

The results of the study were welcomed by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

"While it should not make a difference whether or not one's sexuality is biologically based, the radical right far too often uses the argument of 'sexuality is a choice that can be changed' to justify their calculated discrimination against the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community," said Lorri Jean, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. "Any research suggesting that sexuality is not a choice will help to help defeat that mentality."
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« Reply #427 on: August 07, 2003, 05:36:17 PM »
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Originally posted by banana
Have you all heard of the separation between church and state?

Good.

All those against gay marriages and benefits based on religious doctrinal reason may all just butt out right now.

This is a non-issue. The church is not needed to get married anymore, and it certainly has no right to voice it's opinion on a legal matter on whether the government passes legislation to enable gay married people to receive the same benefits that hetero couples do.

If you'd like to argue that gay marriages should be banned because of some other reason, fine. But the separation of church and state should immediately cease any further discussion based on religious scripture.


Well, that just about sums it up, don't it.

Well said my friend.  Wish I'd have said it a while back.  It would have saved an awful lot of typing in this thread.
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« Reply #428 on: August 07, 2003, 05:44:20 PM »
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The church ... and it certainly has no right to voice it's opinion on a legal matter on whether the government passes legislation to enable gay married people to receive the same benefits that hetero couples do.  


Nice try but no cigar.


The church does not vote, the religious people do. And they have every right to express their views regardless whether they are result of their religious beliefs or not. Just like the lefties can vote thir marxist concience, or KKK members theirs.

Does not matter where your beliefs are coming from or even whether they are result of your independent  thinking. They can be parrotted views of some demagogue, you still have every right to express them.

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« Reply #429 on: August 08, 2003, 12:06:54 AM »
Well... Not all the churches agree... what a surprise... :D

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=7&u=/nm/20030808/ts_nm/religion_episcopal_dc


It's amazing really... so many interpretations and all from the same "word of god".
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« Reply #430 on: August 08, 2003, 08:41:48 AM »
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Not as amazing as when you realize the Christians, Jews and Muslims all have the same God. Talk about bickering children!


We do?

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« Reply #431 on: August 08, 2003, 11:31:48 AM »
yes, we do.

Abraham had 2 sons
Ishmael his oldest, though illegitimate son(with the maid)
Isaac, younger son but with his legal wife
they get in a big fight over who gets to inherit the blessing from god (basically 1st born vs. 1st legitimate argument, very para-phrased, for the whole story read Genesis)

Isaac’s descendants became the Jews,  Ishmael’s became the Muslims.

Jesus was a Jew, Christianity is focused on him, he didn’t change the god just the way we worship, and assorted rules.

3 religions 1 God

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« Reply #432 on: August 08, 2003, 12:05:17 PM »
and i think its cute how they all bicker and argue over who is most wrong. Its like free entertainment for us agnostics!
They dont understand the fact that they are all wrong. lol's all around.

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« Reply #433 on: August 08, 2003, 02:02:45 PM »
I wonder how many people here are saying homosexuality is a physilogical decision vs a conscious one and still maintaining that "no means no".  I mean... isn't that saying at some level it's OK for hormones alone to drive your decision?  And... if it can be as simple as just doing what someone says, couldn't you just be straight if someone told you not to be gay?

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« Reply #434 on: August 08, 2003, 02:15:52 PM »
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I wonder how many people here are saying homosexuality is a physilogical decision vs a conscious one and still maintaining that "no means no".  I mean... isn't that saying at some level it's OK for hormones alone to drive your decision?  And... if it can be as simple as just doing what someone says, couldn't you just be straight if someone told you not to be gay?

MiniD


"Just say NO!"  Hmmm....where have I heard that before.  :p

Seriously, let me turn that logic around on you. Look into the mirror tonight and tell yourself "No, I don't like women". Please come back and tell us how long it took to convince yourself that you don't.

Ain't gonna happen.

What I'm saying is that hormones, or something that the medical/scientific community does not understand yet, causes each one of us to be attracted to either the same sex, or the opposite sex. Nobody gets to choose.

It is possible to say "Even though I am attracted to women, I won't act on that impulse", but what kind of life would that be?

Are you saying that all gays should become asexual my choice?

In my book, that would be cruel and inhuman punishment for something that is not their fault.