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Offline Montezuma

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« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2003, 02:43:38 PM »
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were you spending private sector money, or my hard earned tax dollars? lol

-Sik


Tax money, it was for this grant :)

Chula Vista BECA

Apparently they were impressed with our proactive synergy and strategic realingment of the paradigm.

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« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2003, 02:49:36 PM »
HBLAIR i bet he was a LAWYER! did he have fangs for blodd suckin?:D
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« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2003, 03:11:27 PM »
Since I am bored, and enjoyed my job as a salesman, considering myself a Professional, I wrote down a brief synopsis of what a salesman does.  This will not apply to every sales job, but it is typical of construction sales, at least.

60% to 70% of my sales were via Bid work.  Generally, I would have 5-15 jobs bidding per week, and the cycle below could take 6 months to 2 years.

 A typical sales cycle for Bid work (contact point in parentheses):

Product specification(Owner, Architect)
At this point, product/manufacturer placement in the specification documents is the goal.

Estimate(Architect, Subcontractor)
Pricing and product information is supplied to the Architect to develop budget and scheduling documents.

Bid(General Contractor, Subcontractor)
Prior to Bid date, material estimates are done from final bid documents.  Quotations are given to all interested parties.

Contract(Subcontractor)
For custom or large jobs, pricing, delivery and terms are documented; for small jobs, a handshake or signed quotation.  These were our direct customers; they purchased and used our materials.

Schedule production and delivery(Subcontractor, Plant)
When, where and how bad do you need it.  Basically work as Liason between Customer and Company to balance what would be ideal with what can be done.

Problem solving onsite(Owner, Architect, General Contractor, Subcontractor, Plant)
Product knowledge, mediation, mostly this involves listening and observing.

Collections(Subcontractor, Owner)
Liens, documents and the best part of a Salesmans job-picking up the AR checks

In addition, 30-40% of monthly sales went to wholesale accounts.  Lumberyards, Garden Centers, mobile home transporters and Fence companies being the bulk.  These accounts I serviced on planned routes,  4 or 5 days a month, 10 or 12 stops per day, home for dinner, with problems solved as needed via telephone.

Another 10-20% of sales were direct cold call.  I never passed a jobsite without finding out what it was going to be, and often the General Contractor would be doing jobsite buy-out of material.  An example of this type job would be an Auto-zone store, or a carwash, usually a negoitated build, and thus off the radar.  I usually did these calls before 7:00AM(with Breakfast Tacos) and after 3:30 on Thursdays and Fridays(with Beverages).


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« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2003, 03:21:52 PM »
damnit now i'm confused...i thought hblair was the redneck? or was he the salesman? ;)


(just jabbin at ya Hb)

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« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2003, 03:26:59 PM »
Heh Montezuma, didn't you run any ideas up the flagpole to see who saluted 'em?

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« Reply #65 on: August 06, 2003, 03:42:19 PM »
I think Hbliar handled it well.
I would have spun him around and kicked him in the butt on his way out the door:D

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« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2003, 04:09:08 PM »
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No, I'm a business owner.

We had a sales guy offering advertising space in a non competitive publication.  Meaning 1 per industry.  I would have jumped on it.  Unfortunately, an employee told him to get lost, and my competition jumped at it instead.


Sounds like you need to offer re-training to your employee's....no one speaks for me when it comes to money...my employee's understand this concept clearly:)

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« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2003, 04:28:48 PM »
Door to Door is a pretty good movie about a salesman.

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« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2003, 04:37:55 PM »
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Door to Door is a pretty good movie about a salesman.


Oh man, Repo man is the best! :)

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« Reply #69 on: August 06, 2003, 04:39:32 PM »
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Sounds like you need to offer re-training to your employee's....no one speaks for me when it comes to money...my employee's understand this concept clearly:)


I agree.  Unfortunately, the employee hadn't been around long, and the last place he worked at it was common practice to toss out the sales guys.

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« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2003, 04:40:10 PM »
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Door to Door is a pretty good movie about a salesman.


An excellent movie.  I have a few books about him.

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« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2003, 04:52:40 PM »
"Tin Men" is good too, as is "the Big Kahuna"

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« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2003, 05:12:22 PM »
Tommy Boy

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« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2003, 11:29:20 PM »
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Gadfly, in case you missed the obvious, no means no...even to salesmen  ;)

Depends on the Salesman :)
Actually when I hear no, I hear opportunity.....
I assume that you say no to everyone, so, if I can find a way to at least let me talk to you or the "decision maker" and at least let you know what my services are, who and what my references are, then you will "need" me to provide you with my products... I am happy for you that you have found the answer to your needs, and that I was able to help you and your company, it is always possible that there may come a time when you will wish to find a new vendor for the product or service that I am able to provide to you, but if you keep saying no before you hear him or her out, then i really don't lose much sleep over it :)
Most of my clients said no many, many, many times to me, have had an average of 10 to 15 year business relationships with them since the first no :)

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« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2003, 03:01:34 AM »
I used to do some door to door selling when I was in college, as a Summer job.  Sold books in Grundy, Virginia...real hillbilly territory.  My products were the Volume Library (a 5000 page, 5 inch thick compilation of encyclopedic information), and the 2 volume Children's Dictionary.

My first two weeks turned out to be a failure.  Was assigned to Gallipolis, Ohio and had no mentor.  Did things the way the sales school taught, and didn't sell one book.  Started hanging out in the town bar drinking Strohs.

Then, I was transfered to Grundy, Virginia under the tutelege of "Mad Dog" Smith.  He didn't like that title, and got pissed off when the Boss refered to him that way.  But let me tell you, that guy was the most personable sales stylist I've ever seen, and was a very good salesman.  He would joke with people and get them to laugh, and he was in like Flint.  I started making sales after rookie-ing for a week with him.  Eventually "Mad Dog" quit, due to personality conflicts with the Boss.

It was extremely tough work...hitching rides to my territory, walking miles to get to houses in remote areas.  Hehe, even had an experience with some guys operating a still back of their trailer.  When I walked up to deliver the books, one of the drunkest ones pointed a gun at me.

Some of the folks living there were waiting on the book salesmen, and would buy the books because they had no book stores nearby.  My customer at the "still" trailer was a truck driver, 34 years old, who never learned how to read, and had previously ordered and paid up front for the Children's Dictionary.  His buddies started razzing him about it, and he put them in their place fast.  I woulda been killed if I had no business there.  They invited me to dinner at their mother's house down the holler.


I tell this story, so maybe some of you might put yourself in the salesman's position, and have a little compassion and respect, but for the grace of God go I.

I don't become belligerent with any form of sales people, even though they may annoy at times.   I think if I was in HB's situation, I would have asked for his card, and said we'd think about it.  Then if I wasn't interested when he called back, I'd say so, after giving it consideration and being polite about it...even if it meant saying "We thought about it and we're not in the market for the (product) right now, but we'll let you know if we decide we could use your product."  That's all there is to it.

The way HB handled it, no offense to HB, but he still doesn't know what the man's business was there, insulted him, and God knows what could be the result, from the Boss being in the dark, to more serious consequences, a la Ripsnort's reply that it was an IRS agent, or possible the Police.  It's always a good idea to be friendly with strangers, especially if you are doing BUSINESS.



Les


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