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Offline Gadfly

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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2003, 07:35:33 PM »
IL2 has the effect, Habu.

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2003, 07:36:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Habu
No one seems to model ground effect at all.


http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76759

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2003, 09:47:36 PM »
"The problem lies in when it doesn't. You're hosed unless someone on their bbs has the answer. "

 Too true.  This week I finally set up my CH analog hotas onto my new pc at home and while AH, WB's and T: all recognze the stick, throttle and pedals.  Tonight I flew AH and then went to  WWIIO to see if the airwar was as good as Spitboy made it sound does like in his AGW posts. But WWIIO does not see the stuff at all. Not a single of the 4 axis is recognized.  It sees no button presses from the gear except Joy1 and 2 on the stick. But no movement. I was going to go beyond being a solider for the next 2 days remaining on the freeby. Try aircraft and vehicles again but having seen thier cust support inaction for the past couple of years and board queries get red herring answers (if any).  Toss'n in the towel, again. Too much I dislike about the state it was and still is in for me to over come. I lack patience for fiddling with it and I ran out of wishing on it's potential long ago. Still, I'm a sucker for a free trial :)

 But  to make my "flight night" worse I can't even try Target. Flanders, Korea or Rabaul. Every time I try to join a server, except the training server, I get an error message about missing acm files.  A different one each time I try to join a scenario. So I gave up trying that our too. Maybe when it's further along in open beta. (set alarm clock for 10 am Sat, May 2006).  I'm especially disappointed in it's performance given what graphics one gets at this stage and my AMD 2400+ and GF2 can only wheeze a mere 7fps while flying & testing alone in the bland, empty training arena.

Hurry up AH-II.    PLEASE!  I can't take the MA any more. Off to the CT....

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2003, 04:35:28 AM »
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True, they work quite well when the game recognizes your particular controllers. The problem lies in when it doesn't. You're hosed unless someone on their bbs has the answer.


The trick is in the way you answer the question... for example:

"I have a CH Flightstick Pro and WW2OL doesn't see it, can someone please help me?" - usually gets nothing.

whereas:

"This POS game is worthless, its crap, CRS are a bunch of losers who can't program support for my CH Flightstick Pro, I QUIT" - usually has the solution posted in under 5 minutes.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2003, 04:48:04 AM »
i have been playing wwwiionline free trial last few days and i have been impressed.  my first free trial i played it once and i thought it sucked,  now i quite enjoy it and i may even take up an account there because i like the progress they are making.

My 2 complaints are:

1) damage model sux, the 109 has smart cannon shells where one ping will always hit the pilot.  .303's are useless and it takes far too long at close range to kill anything.

2) the pilots there suck.  my first ever sortie i get 3 kills, it is 3 vs me and i shoot them all down.  I average about 3 kills a sortie there, can you imagine a newb doing that in Aces High? a little acm goes a long way there.
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2003, 07:43:49 AM »
AKweav,

I don't understand two things:

1) why did you have to actually take up the button numbers
I really don't understand this one

2) how can you possibly spend 20 minutes doing simple keymapping, unless you're changing the keymaps upside down or making invidual keymaps for several vehicles.


Always when I have set the keymaps, it's been about two minutes of work - about as fast as with most games.

Never had a need to know "which buttons" I'm pressing, since it's always been enough to press the button and all I've had to remember, has been what button does what.

I mean.. what have you been doing!? :confused:
It's really making me wonder....

Oh.. and I got the X45 as well...

(let me guess, you thought you have to use the keyboard to input the joystick button #'s in the keymapper, instead of simply pressing the buttons for each keymapper setting? :p )
« Last Edit: August 09, 2003, 07:46:07 AM by Fishu »

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2003, 08:24:48 AM »
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The keymapper for ww2ol will not give any indication of which button on your controllers you're pushing


? I'm not sure I understand. If I want button 1 (trigger) to fire primary weapon, all I do is double-click the space in the joystick column that corresponds to 'fire primary weapon', and press the trigger. Then "joystick 1 button 1" appears in that box.  It's also weird that the game would detect an input in the keymapper, but not detect it once you spawn in.  Not sure what the heck's going on there, but apparently it doesn't matter much any more :)

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2003, 09:11:27 AM »
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) why did you have to actually take up the button numbers


In the AH keymapper, press a button on your joystick and it will highlight a number in the keymapper screen. The AH keymapper is straight forward, and user friendly. AH even has an ingame calibration tool.

Not so in the WW2OL keymapper.  To map a button in WW2OL, you have to first delete the default keyboard key, then use the mouse cursor to click a button or keyboard key indicated on the screen. Simply pressing the button on the joystick will do nothing.

The MS PP had each button's number cast into the js next to the buton. The Saitek does not, nore does the manual call these buttons out. Other than the hat, you need to know what functions you are assigning to each button. If you have a Saitek X-45, you know there are several, as well as three seperate sliders.

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how can you possibly spend 20 minutes doing simple keymapping, unless you're changing the keymaps upside down or making invidual keymaps for several vehicles.


Setting up AH, the game automaticly recognizes and assigns views to your joysticks 8 way hat switch. Not WW2OL. These must be assigned, along with up and down views, primary guns, secondary guns, deploy weapons, etc, etc. You even have to assign a slider to the throttle.

WW2OL's keymapper is more cumbersome then AH's, but it does work, and it's easy to figure out.

Keymapper difficulties were not the heart of this post. The game would not recognize my controllers, and I had no way to resolve the problem. There is no way to contact them regarding tech help. That must be accquired through the community via the bbs. An item which was closed to me by virtue of being a "trial" subcriber.

The last time I tried the game, it wouldn't reconize the subscription key on the CD I pre-orderd 3 months prior to release. It took three days of communication with Hardcase on this very bbs to get that ironed out. Then there were some performance issues to iron out, and the help for them could only be obtained through the WW2OL bbs. That took a week to find a good fix for.

Just the last of many straws. Unfortunate really, as the game has so much potential, I'm sure that as time goes by most of these will be ironed out. The frustration I've encountered each time I've tried it precludes me ever giving it another go.

When I pay money to play a game online, I want to have fun, not get frustrated. I don't mind working through some issues, but an inability to get direct feedback from the provider, or having to jump 20 hurdles prior to doing so is just too much effort, and I refuse to accelerate my heartrate over that particular product again.

Maybe some one with WW2OL bbs priviledges can post a link to this thread so the Rats might see the perspective some on the outside world have.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2003, 09:39:30 AM »
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Not so in the WW2OL keymapper. To map a button in WW2OL, you have to first delete the default keyboard key, then use the mouse cursor to click a button or keyboard key indicated on the screen. Simply pressing the button on the joystick will do nothing.


I've never ever had to delete the default keyboard/stick keys/buttons when assigning joystick command for the same command.
Also it's been enough for me to select the command slot I want to change and then press button on the stick - correctsponding button number appears in the keymapper position I had chose to change.

Only thing I've had to press in the joystick button etc. areas in the games keymapper, has been the one which sets which direction the command reads axis input.
aka which direction on the axis is maximum/minimum setting.


Never had problems with working out X45 or CH's CS F16 in WWIIOL myself, whilst had windows 98 and XP.

the WWIIOL setup does recognize at least my joystick inputs in the keymapper when I want to set a button for command.

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2003, 09:43:37 AM »
Why CRS would close off their BBS is beyond me.  According to my dad, there were too many complaints by non-subscribers and ex-subscribers, so they closed it off to them.  If so many complained, should that tell CRS something?

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2003, 09:47:51 AM »
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Why CRS would close off their BBS is beyond me.  According to my dad, there were too many complaints by non-subscribers and ex-subscribers, so they closed it off to them.  If so many complained, should that tell CRS something?



That people whines about one issue with 20 separate threads and remains inobjective all time?

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2003, 10:13:33 AM »
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the WWIIOL setup does recognize at least my joystick inputs in the keymapper when I want to set a button for command.


Lucky you. But what would you do if it didn't, and you were a trial member and didn't have bbs priviliges to ask for help? Would you sign up and pay one months subcription just to get some kind of assistance to try out the game?

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That people whines about one issue with 20 separate threads and remains inobjective all time?


One of Demming's principles of World Class Competetiveness is that customer complaints are "gems to be mined". In other words, finding out what your customers/prospective customers expect is paramount to good business practices.

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2003, 08:32:58 AM »
AKweav,

I'd try to solve the problem WHY I couldn't do so.

With such popular stick setup as X45, I would conclude it should work with WWIIOL and the problem is somewhere between the game and OS.
Then it'd be simple to do checklist to go through.

I don't usually mind to wait for the REPLIES from any technical supports.
Only times I've had fast response from some technical support, it's been from KeyTronic EU representive.

If it is like a week or two free trial and you're just a trial member, you can usually wait for most of the free trial time pass before you _might_ get the issue solved.
and thats pretty much regardless of the game.


You asked what I'd do.. so don't blame me for the mr. do it all by self attitude :D
Thats what I'd do.



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One of Demming's principles of World Class Competetiveness is that customer complaints are "gems to be mined". In other words, finding out what your customers/prospective customers expect is paramount to good business practices.


roughly put, 95% of the volume is useless whining, not something constructive you can base your game on.
Some volume is for no reason and the other volume is just whines on top of whines where nobody says anything constructive - just keeps yelling something silly.

....and isn't most of the LW complaints over here at HTC boards handled as plain luftwhine and no changes are to be made? :D

It's the same all over.

In WWIIOL forums are worse - it's the twilight zone between hardcore and quanker player communities.


Have you ever checked into counter strike or day of defeat forums?
If you have, then you might understand why it isn't as possible to listen to every customer issue on the forums.



Anyway...
the devs do look at the WWIIOL HQ forums, so they *do* listen to what customers expect.
but like said above...


I'm sure this demming (lemming? :>) guy had a different kind of business in his mind..
You dont develop games like you develop cars for example, what comes to customer prospects.


btw. a little remark... I do prefer common sense.

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2003, 11:01:52 AM »
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With such popular stick setup as X45, I would conclude it should work with WWIIOL and the problem is somewhere between the game and OS.


Absolutly, it should work, and it does with all of the other flight sim games I have loaded on my PC. I have read posts on their bbs (ww2ol) of others having the same set up as mine, and theirs working fine.

I had the same problem the last time I tried ww2ol. At that time I was using a different PC, XP PRO OS, MS PP j/s, and the CH Pro pedals. The only fix anyone could come up with was to unplug the pedals. That worked, for the time I played the game.

Now with the new PC, XP Home OS, X-45 j/s and throttle, and the same CH Pro pedals. Sure I can unplug the pedals again, but the rudder butterfly on the X-45 is for beans. More like a on or off situation.

Why hasn't mine worked under two different scenarios? No clue. But then again I have no clue either as to why I have no problems with any of the other programs which use these controllers. An uneducated guess might lead some to suspect something to do with the program with which they won't work.

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I don't usually mind to wait for the REPLIES from any technical supports.


I don't either. But I do expect some sort of reply the next day. An acknowledgement, or something to start a dialog toward resolving the problem. I have received nothing to date.

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Only times I've had fast response from some technical support, it's been from KeyTronic EU representive.


I've had same day responses from HTC. It's been three days now and nothing from ww2ol.

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You asked what I'd do.. so don't blame me for the mr. do it all by self attitude  


Not quite sure what you mean by "for the mr"? But as far as attitude goes, I think I've maintained a good one so far. You've seen no explitives, no ranting or raving. I even chuckled when I discovered I couldn't post on their bbs for help.

Fishu, if you have an account with ww2ol, please post a link to this post in the "Hanger" section of their bbs. Reading some of the replies might be interesting. Also it might help CRS to be more proactive in helping others.

I have more to say, but a thunder storm is brewing right now so I'll post this part for now.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2003, 12:37:13 PM »
The mister thing was about me and my 'fix it all by self' talk.