109G10 beats P51 near the deck

[Nash]

Indeed... though it is worded pretty ambiguously. I guess BUG is gonna haveta tell us what he really meant.

[Urchin]

It was a good kill, Beetle.  Nothing wrong with the way you flew there.

As far as the P-51D vs the 109G-10 it is as even a fight as you can have in dissimilar planes.

The P-51 has an edge in low speed handling, and turning at all speeds, and the turning advantage becomes quite dramatic at lower speeds where the P-51s flaps can come out.  

The 109 has an edge in acceleration and climb rate, and it can also climb at a much steeper angle than the P-51 can.  That said, none of it matters unless the 109 can get the P-51 to bleed off its speed without getting into a position where the P-51 can shoot him.  Once both planes are going slow, the 109 can start to build an energy advantage by climbing (usually a spiral is the safest way)- but if the 109 misjudges the P-51's speed then he will die, since the P-51 is quite stable at low speeds, and has a very lethal gun package.

Basically whoever knows how to get the most out of their plane will win the fight.

[SirLoin]

A g10 can indeed turn low and slow with a P51...If you get 1 notch flap down you can keep that low turn circle with the p51...If he goes for more flaps,you go verticle...

One of the most fun fites in AH is these two plane when they both want in.

[beet1e]

Urchin - thank you for your kind words. Amongst them, you said

the 109 can get the P-51 to bleed off its speed without getting into a position where the P-51 can shoot him. Once both planes are going slow, the 109 can start to build an energy advantage by climbing

- and I remember thinking that at the time. There was one iffy moment as I came round under the P51.

Widewing - how did you get those stats! I was slightly embarrassed...

The G6 will be my ride for a while, but I don't think I'll be able to chase down P51s - unless I have a little more alt to begin with, of course.

[Steve]

Sirloin, I accept your claim as you've experienced it.  My own experiences say a slow turning G10 cannot turn as well as a pony.  There is a marked difference.

But the way, if I am  fighting a slow turning G10, and I "go more flaps", then  the g10 goes vertical,  I'll retract my flaps to one notch and hose it out of the sky.  

That move simply does not work for those who are ready for it.
Even in slow yoyo's, I have no trouble getting my nose on the g10 for a gun solution.

IMO unless the g10 goes vertical before the fight gets slow, it is dead meat.....every time.

in the last example, the pony is in big trouble....better nose down and get the G10 to pursue so that it is fast enough to lose some elevator authority.  I recognize this problem early and stay off grabbing g10's...there's a guy who  is really putting the fight on his most favorable terms.  

[Blue Mako]

In the last 10 tours I have 39 kills to 6 deaths P51D vs Bf109G10.    I've fought them high and low, turning and E fighting and the G10 is the only 109 I worry about when in the stang.  I consider the G10 to be at least a match for the pony, if not a little better, except for high speed handling.  Having said that;

It aint the plane, it's the pilot.



Only a few ponies are dangerous, picking 'em out of the herd is the fun part.  

[Bluedog]

Originally posted by beet1e


Bluedog - as soon as you likened the G10 to an LA7, I found I could no longer fly it!  Switched to the G6 today.  

He he, didn't think you'd go to that extreme, but hey, well done man, I'm sure you will find the G6 just as fun as a G10, and just a bit more challenging.
You cant run down Ponies or Doras without a substantial altitude advantage to start with, but flown to its strengths, the G6 is quite an effective interceptor.........add the two extra 20mms under the wings, and it's a great Buff-Buster too.( allso suprises the piss outta Niki drivers when ya HO 'em right back......and win)

Allso, fly a G6 for a few months, and then get back in a G10 for a bit, the extra power/acceleration and speed will blow you away.
It's like fighting for months carrying a 1000lber, then droppping it one day

[GRUNHERZ]

Dont fly the G6 with gondolas.... In G6 you should use the single 20mm loadout.

Comparing the G10 to LA7 is idiotic!

[Shane]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Dont fly the G6 with gondolas.... In G6 you should use the single 20mm loadout.

Comparing the G10 to LA7 is idiotic!

yes, g10 is a much superior plane.

[Rutilant]

Surprisingly, a 109G10 will outturn a N1K in a stallfight, and actually gains an edge the slower you go. I never even lowered in my flaps and could pull enough lead  long enough to BB it to death.. It wasnt a newb N1K pilot either

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Bluedog
109s are great, but G10s are LA7s for Luftweenies.
Grab a G6. With gondola cannon fitted.

Grab an A8 and fly like a man.

Fly like a man means dying most of the time though:D

[mipoikel]

Originally posted by Lazerus
Grab an A8 and fly like a man.

Fly like a man means dying most of the time though:D

A8 is uber! Last tour I had 40 kills / 2 deaths in it.

(dunno how many vulches.. )

[Rude]

Like Urchin said...it's the pilot not the plane:)

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Rude
Like Urchin said...it's the pilot not the plane:)

Fear my Ki-61!  Feeeear it!

[Bluedog]

Originally posted by Lazerus
Grab an A8 and fly like a man.

Fly like a man means dying most of the time though:D

 

Problem is, A8s just make me fly like a complete tool



So Grun, comparing two late war monsters that represent the pinnacle of their kind in this game is idiotic?
Forgive my idiocy, but I'm standin' by my original statement.
G10s are a dweeb ride, just like LA7s are, any fool can get one to do allright in the MA.
Of course, this is all 'IMHO', YMMV, each to their own an' all that.
I'll stick with my G6/R6 thanks, I enjoy it.