Author Topic: 109G10 beats P51 near the deck (Read 3280 times)

GScholz · « **Reply #60 on:** August 12, 2003, 12:36:49 PM »

Urchin, did you use flaps in the Pony?

Urchin · « **Reply #61 on:** August 12, 2003, 01:04:43 PM »

Yes, I did. I started with one notch on the first circle, he beat me around. Went to two notches on the second circle and he beat me around again, went to 3 notches on the third circle and he beat me around by a bigger margin.

Urchin · « **Reply #62 on:** August 12, 2003, 01:18:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Sable
Wouldn't that be a two circle fight if you both turned left?

You are right, sorry. It was a two circle fight.

TracerX · « **Reply #63 on:** August 12, 2003, 03:21:35 PM »

Doesn't the Pony turn better to the right than the Left due to engine torque? I know I always try to make my turns to the left in the 109's because of engine torque, and I thought that the german planes engine rotation was opposite of most allied planes. Did you ever try the same thing in the opposite direction Urchin?

hitech · « **Reply #64 on:** August 12, 2003, 03:27:15 PM »

It also sounds like there are 2 types of turn rates being tested.

For sustained turn rates, you must be in a level turn , not a descending spiral.

HiTech

GScholz · « **Reply #65 on:** August 12, 2003, 05:16:39 PM »

Well that certainly surprised me, not that I can remember the last time I turned with a Pony in the G10, not the best way to fly that bird. Nice to know though.

Blue Mako · « **Reply #66 on:** August 12, 2003, 07:24:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Mako, ya may as well call me a a liar. fact: My K/d vs G10's is over 10/1

Fact: part of this is because I can out turn them in a pony.

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

Steve think about what I said. I said I couldn't outturn a well flown 109G10 in my pony. I did also say that I have outturned plenty of Bf109G10's, just not ones that are flown properly to the edge of their envelope by a good pilot. Me, not you, me, this is not about you. I then asked for someone who had precise data on the 109G10 to post it. I posted precise data on the P51D. What part of seeking an objective resolution relates to a personal attack?

Also, note what Urchin and Bigmax found during their test. Interesting huh? I would still like to see some hard numbers on the AH 109 though.

If anyone has Badboy's EM diagrams for a G10, please post the numbers here.

Steve · « **Reply #67 on:** August 12, 2003, 07:43:18 PM »

someone put my pants out. Mako, maybe someone who conducted those tests needs to learn to tun a pony better.

WldThing · « **Reply #68 on:** August 12, 2003, 08:21:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
someone put my pants out. Mako, maybe someone who conducted those tests needs to learn to tun a pony better.

Im sure Urchin has enough experiance in that department

Steve · « **Reply #69 on:** August 12, 2003, 09:48:25 PM »

I'm sure. OTOH I am pretty sure I didn't hallucinate the things I've seen so I'll just go w/ my own experiences.

Shane · « **Reply #70 on:** August 12, 2003, 09:53:30 PM »

wanna go da? u ponyd, me 109g10 (maybe even with gondies) and we'll see what we come up with?

sax · « **Reply #71 on:** August 13, 2003, 07:54:49 AM »

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wanna go da? u ponyd, me 109g10 (maybe even with gondies) and we'll see what we come up with?

God help the BBS should he get lucky and win:)

Rude · « **Reply #72 on:** August 13, 2003, 08:33:39 AM »

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I'm sure. OTOH I am pretty sure I didn't hallucinate the things I've seen so I'll just go w/ my own experiences.

Don't doubt that what you've stated is true....however, you would be wise to also realize that there are some in this game that might know a thing or two about how to horse a pony around(oh my...sometimes I crack myself up) better than you.

I know my squad has plenty of pony driving experience and having said that, it all comes down to the pilot. A G10 in the hands of Urchin, Hblair, Shane, WT and Drex will offer different results against you and your Mustang....not a knock on you, just a fact.

Steve · « **Reply #73 on:** August 13, 2003, 12:43:52 PM »

Sax., Lucky? You need to get off your knees. Frankly, all this hero worship is tiresome. I've fought all the guys you and Rude mentioned, except for WT other than when I first started the game. Their planes all fall to pieces just like everyone else.

Shane is good at AH and I enjoy flying against him. Like anyone in the game, he's beatable.
That said, think about this: What would obliging him accomplish for me? It certainly wouldn't change what I've experienced. As I've alluded to, I'm not really out to change someone elses mind about which plane turns better, I stated what I have experienced. It won't go back in time and change what occurred. OTOH if Shane wins, I have to listen to him, and probably other AH elitists about how Godlike and omnicient they are. As far as the MA goes, I really am not particularly in awe of anyone, as you seem to be. Yes, there are all very talented sticks, and with an exception very nice and gracious people. In the DA, 1v1 and in the same plane, maybe every one of them would kick my tail. But the MA isn't anything like the DA. You can come back and crow that 1v1 coalt they are all better than me(must be nice to be prescient) but that doesn't mean squat in the arena.

Steve · « **Reply #74 on:** August 13, 2003, 12:48:33 PM »

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Don't doubt that what you've stated is true....however, you would be wise to also realize that there are some in this game that might know a thing or two about how to horse a pony around(oh my...sometimes I crack myself up) better than you.

Rude, I really have to agree. I simply don't think I am the "best" at turing a pony. Someone, probably several somoenes, is/are better at it than me.