Author Topic: 1946 aircraft (Read 1340 times)

davidpt40 · « **on:** August 14, 2003, 11:01:19 AM »

Lets say there was a temporary cease-fire from mid-summer 1945 to January 1st 1946. Germany has not fallen, nor has japan. What 6 fighter aircraft would each country be using and what would its equivalent be?

U.S.----- Germany ---- JAPAN
P51H---- FW-190D---- (Jap ME-262 version)
F-82---- TA-152H ---- (Jap D0335 version)
P-80---- Me-262 ---- KI-84
P-47N----- HO-229 ---- ?
F8F----- HE-162---- ?
F4U-4 ---- DO-335----- ?

Sable · « **Reply #1 on:** August 14, 2003, 11:24:22 AM »

In the ETO I suppose it would be P-51H's, P-47M & Ns and P-80s for the US. Tempest Mk. II and Spitfire Mk 21 I believe for the RAF, along with Meteors for the RAF. The usual SWOTL suspects for the Luftwaffe.

Aside from the jets that a pretty ugly matchup for the Luftwaffe.

Westy · « **Reply #2 on:** August 14, 2003, 11:59:29 AM »

And miraculously Japan and Germany was able to build new factories and refineries, aquire vast amounts of raw materials and rare alloys and also discover huge untapped oil reserves under Tokyo and Berlin?

And don't forget the UK who were not asleep behind the wheel at all as far as jets and advanced piston aircraft were concerned. They had several new models in prodution or in pre-production development (spare me the pure fantasy Luft'46 planes that never made it beyond drawings on the the weinerschnitzel stained Bierhaus napkins please) like the MB.5, Vampire, Swallow, and the Fury/SeaFury for three examples.

.U.S.-----------------------Germany ---- JAPAN
P51D/H,P-47M/N--------FW-190D------
P51H,P-72,P-47M/N----TA-152H -------
F-84,P-80,P-79----------Me-262 -------(Kikka)
P-80,P-79-----------------HO-229 -------
F-84,P-80,P-79-----------HE-162--------
P-72,P47M----------------DO-335--------(never had a DO-335 copy)
F8F,F4U-4,F7F-----------..............-------KI-84,A7M,N1K2
AD-1----------------------- ??? ---------- ????

Also, the USAAF and USN had these (or would have had the productions been halted or cancelled due to wars end)

(jet fighters)
F-84
FJ-1
F6U-1
FD-1
F2D-1

(fast & heavy bombers)
B-32
B-35
B-36
B-42
B-43
B-45
B-46
B-47
B-49
B-50

Reschke · « **Reply #3 on:** August 14, 2003, 12:30:25 PM »

Probably should be in the aircraft forum but here goes.

Somehow I don't think the B-36 and up would have made it into production in time for a restart of hostilities in early 1946. Read the history of the B-36 over at Joe Baugher's encyclopedia of aircraft. It is very interesting reading for a short time.

Westy · « **Reply #4 on:** August 14, 2003, 12:41:15 PM »

That's true. But this is alternate reality topic where the Axis did not succumb in 1945 but held on into and thru 1946. I took the liberty of forcing desperation and 11th hour despair onto the 1945 Allied powers that they had back in 1940 thru early 43. The same impetus thjat drove the Axis in late 43 to 1945.
This is convenient for me to help ensure the expidited development and production of aircraft, that in reality the Allies dragged thier tulips on, in late 44 and into 1945. In real life the Allies had realised that what they had on hand and what was in production was more than enough and adequate to win the war.

Furball · « **Reply #5 on:** August 14, 2003, 12:53:13 PM »

RAF would have Sea Fury/Fury, DeHavilland Hornet (look this one up, its amazing - Hornet is the fastest twin piston-engined fighter ever to fly..

), Spits up to mk.24 as well as the jets Meteor and DeHavilland Vampire

Rude · « **Reply #6 on:** August 14, 2003, 01:13:04 PM »

I'm going with the A-Bomb

Westy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 14, 2003, 03:00:07 PM »

Cheesuz Rude you played that card early.

ccvi · « **Reply #8 on:** August 14, 2003, 03:14:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
Cheesuz Rude you played that card early.

the remaining question is, for wich side?

brendo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:02:19 PM »

Remember that much of the Jet Technology was decended from LW R&D technology.

humble · « **Reply #10 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:12:08 PM »

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Originally posted by brendo
Remember that much of the Jet Technology was decended from LW R&D technology.

The P-80 & Meteor were both in active service prior to the end of the war...I doubt either was based on LW technology. From what I've read the Mig 15 was the 1st jet the "allies" built which was partially based on LW research.

humble · « **Reply #11 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:22:07 PM »

Republic
XP-47J Thunderbolt (P)
1943 6 .50cal MG 1-seat
1 radial 2,800hp 507mph

I want.....

humble · « **Reply #12 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:23:59 PM »

Yakolev
Yak-3M-103/-P/-T
1943 1 20mm cannon, 2 12.7mm MG
(-3P)3 20mm cannon
(-3T)1 37mm and 2 20mm 1-seat
1 inline 1,650hp 477mph

I Reeaaallllly want....

humble · « **Reply #13 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:26:41 PM »

Lavochkin
La-126 (P)
1944? 2 20mm cannon 1-seat/ 1 radial 1,650hp
(-126PVRD adds)2 660lb ramjets 497mph

yowser...talk about a dweeb ride

humble · « **Reply #14 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:28:43 PM »

Supermarine
Spiteful
1944 4 20mm cannon 1-seat
1 inline 2,375hp 483mph

hmmmmmm....maybe for christmas

Mark XVI - The two conversions from the Mark XIV, RB516 and RB518 were fitted with the Griffon 101 engine producing 2,420 hp and a top speed of 494 mph.