Author Topic: 1946 aircraft (Read 1308 times)

humble · « **Reply #15 on:** August 14, 2003, 04:53:37 PM »

one last one....

McDonnell
FH (FD) Phantom
1945 4 .50cal MG 1-seat carrier fighter
2 1,600lb turbojets 580mph

Rollio · « **Reply #16 on:** August 14, 2003, 06:33:42 PM »

Don't forget the XP-72 (the project that the XP-47J was abandoned for). This is easily the most powerful single engined fighter of the era.

Republic
XP-72J Thunderbolt (P)
1945 6, (8?) .50cal MG 1-seat
1 radial 3,450hp (same model engine eventually achieves over 4,300 HP in later revisions)

udet · « **Reply #17 on:** August 14, 2003, 06:46:38 PM »

WHo cares, if that happened Germany would win the war.

Arlo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 14, 2003, 06:59:56 PM »

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Originally posted by udet
WHo cares, if that happened Germany would win the war.

Heh ... glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.

Furball · « **Reply #19 on:** August 15, 2003, 06:42:59 AM »

De Havilland Hornet :

Crew/Passengers: one pilot
Power Plant: two 2,030 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin 133/134 engines
Performance: Max Speed: 488 mph (780 km/h)
Service Ceiling:37,500 ft (11,430 m) Range: 2,500 mi (4,022 km)
Weights: Gross: 16,100 lb (7,303 kg)
Dimensions: Span: 45 ft 0 in (13.71 m) Length: 36 ft 8 in (11.17 m)
Height: 14 ft 2 in (4.32 m) Wing Area: 222 sq ft (20.62 sq m)
Armament: four 20 mm cannon and provisions for 2,000 lb (907 kg) of bombs

Westy · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2003, 07:23:55 AM »

"the remaining question is, for wich side?"

Depends, how much of a fantasy do you want to make this?Germany was no where near the a-bomb and neither was Japan, regardless of the outlandish "proofs" some webhosts try to pwan off.

I guess you could say if Einstein didn't, if Oppenheimer hadn't and if Heisengerg was successful then.... Always if,if,if! Well in 1774 if King George had... if Custer hadn't... Ceasar should have... Napoleon could have.... and damn if only Eve wasn't...

It would take going back in time to over the many years of WWII and before to reverse the many bad (good for the free world!) decisions, changing or eliminating many milestones and erasing certain cirumstances to have WWII end up a stalemate or even a "lose" for the Allies.

Hap · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2003, 08:08:54 AM »

westy's remark about manufacturing ability is spot on. been reading shillers "the rise & fall of the 3rd reich," never before had i realized how hopless germany's position. what a tragic waste. japan too for that matter. they envisioned a 10 month campaign hopin' to snag raw material from the dutch indies.

on another note, all my life i've heard luftwaffe this & that how great they were. against whom???? spain, ethopia (yes i know it was the italiens), poland & other countries who where hopelessly out numbered like the scandinavian's & low countries, & france?

battle of britain was, as far a i know, their first real test. they failed.

1 last comment about france. what a bunch of bananas. gosh they've not changed a whit in 70 yrs either. for those who've not read "rise & fall" don't let the length daunt you. it's an incredible read. i'm about 1/2 done.

lazs2 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 15, 2003, 08:52:37 AM »

F8f is a 1945 plane.
lazs

Devourer · « **Reply #23 on:** August 15, 2003, 09:07:29 AM »

Does the hornet have anything in common with the mosquito?
They look very similar.

Weavling · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2003, 11:23:48 AM »

Germany could have won the Battle of Britain, it's just that they screwed up. They almost had the RAF grounded, but they stopped bombing the airfields and started bombing the cities. If they stuck to thier first targets, they would have had more of a chance to win the Battle of Britain.

At least I think this is what happened. If I'm wrong, correct me.

Shiva · « **Reply #25 on:** August 15, 2003, 12:08:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Weavling
Germany could have won the Battle of Britain, it's just that they screwed up. They almost had the RAF grounded, but they stopped bombing the airfields and started bombing the cities. If they stuck to thier first targets, they would have had more of a chance to win the Battle of Britain.

At least I think this is what happened. If I'm wrong, correct me.

Actually, this would make for the most interesting 'what-if' scenario for WWII. You can blame it on a single accident, compounded by Hitler's arrogance.

On August 25, 1940, a single He-111 bomber got lost on a night mission and dropped their bombs on central London, rather than their assigned target, in spite of specific orders not to do so. Churchill ordered a retaliatory strike on Berlin, sending 81 RAF Hampden bombers to Berlin the next night. This bent Hitler so far out of shape that he immediately gave a radio address, promising, "If the British bomb our cities, we will bury theirs" and, against the advice of his generals, issued orders to institute a merciless bombing campaign against London.

The relief from the bombing allowed the factories and RAF airfields to recover; had the strikes against the factories and RAF continued, it was entirely possible that the RAF could have been eliminated as a threat -- up to the point when the Blitz started, the Germans had been winning the war of attrition. Faced with the massive losses in aircraft and the loss of air superiority, Hitler cancelled Operation Sea Lion on October 12, 1940.

Had the redirection of the Luftwaffe offensive not taken place, German aircraft production could have been increased and the auxiliary fuel tanks developed during the Spanish Civil War could have been put into production, which would have given the Luftwaffe more freedom to operate over England. With air superiority, Operation Sea Lion would have taken place and England would have had to fight a ground war on her own soil. And for all the mistakes that Germany made regarding the development of the Luftwaffe as a strategic air force, their ground forces were clearly superior on a man-for-man basis.

Furball · « **Reply #26 on:** August 15, 2003, 12:27:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Weavling
Germany could have won the Battle of Britain, it's just that they screwed up. They almost had the RAF grounded, but they stopped bombing the airfields and started bombing the cities. If they stuck to thier first targets, they would have had more of a chance to win the Battle of Britain.

At least I think this is what happened. If I'm wrong, correct me.

Would the german army have been able to get across the channel anyway? They were planning on using river barges to get across a notoriusly unpredictable sea.

And Yes the DeHavilland Hornet was pretty much a single seat smaller more streamlined mossie.

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #27 on:** August 15, 2003, 12:31:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Shiva
Actually, this would make for the most interesting 'what-if' scenario for WWII. You can blame it on a single accident, compounded by Hitler's arrogance.

On August 25, 1940, a single He-111 bomber got lost on a night mission and dropped their bombs on central London, rather than their assigned target, in spite of specific orders not to do so. Churchill ordered a retaliatory strike on Berlin, sending 81 RAF Hampden bombers to Berlin the next night. This bent Hitler so far out of shape that he immediately gave a radio address, promising, "If the British bomb our cities, we will bury theirs" and, against the advice of his generals, issued orders to institute a merciless bombing campaign against London.

The relief from the bombing allowed the factories and RAF airfields to recover; had the strikes against the factories and RAF continued, it was entirely possible that the RAF could have been eliminated as a threat -- up to the point when the Blitz started, the Germans had been winning the war of attrition. Faced with the massive losses in aircraft and the loss of air superiority, Hitler cancelled Operation Sea Lion on October 12, 1940.

Had the redirection of the Luftwaffe offensive not taken place, German aircraft production could have been increased and the auxiliary fuel tanks developed during the Spanish Civil War could have been put into production, which would have given the Luftwaffe more freedom to operate over England. With air superiority, Operation Sea Lion would have taken place and England would have had to fight a ground war on her own soil. And for all the mistakes that Germany made regarding the development of the Luftwaffe as a strategic air force, their ground forces were clearly superior on a man-for-man basis.

,,,,And Goering changed his name to Meier;) .
What if the Germans actually succeded in taking Moscow in '41,instead of getting stuck just outside due to winter?. Just to throw in another if.

SaburoS · « **Reply #28 on:** August 15, 2003, 02:31:09 PM »

How about the F7F Tigercat?

http://www.fighter-collection.com/tigercat/

Since we have the Ta152, maybe we can have it for AH also

Max 460 mph. 4 x 20mm and 4 x .50 cal.

JB42 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 15, 2003, 03:18:27 PM »

Hmm how about the Do. 335?

http://www.squadron13.com/do335/DO335.htm

Also to continue on the note about Moscow. The actual reason the failure to take Russia was not just the weather, but Italy. Italy's failed attempt to take Greece, against Hitler's request, forced a good number of German forces from starting Barbarossa on time to help bailout Italy , therfore delaying the operation by as much as 3 months. German forces were within 12 miles of outlying Moscow when they finally bogged down. One might wonder had the attack begun 3 months earlier like it was supposed to, would Moscow and then eventually Russia have fallen?