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Offline B17Skull12

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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2003, 05:00:18 PM »
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No offense but having a German Maltese Cross on a USAAF insignia is kind of in bad taste. Might want to rethink that one.
i have bad taste. i thing water taste like lemonade. btw if you going to fly p38 ask ack ack for help. he is the best p38 flyer AH has.


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Offline MaddogJoe

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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2003, 07:12:03 PM »
Happy,

First turn off your tracers if you havn't already. Tracers warn the enemy that your there, and the arc of them obscures your target.... if your pulling the right lead  :)

Practice hitting the drones off line for an hour or so in your favorite plane. Use different angles of approuch, at different speeds. Also you can turn up the settings so you have alot more ammo and fuel so you can do this in one flight. Set up your shot, get close, and fire a burst or two.

After doing this for an hour or so, log into the MA and go hunting!  You'll be amazed how much it helps !!! I like to do this before I fly, but time in the real world gets in the way far too often  :)

Good luck, and I'll Cya up !!

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2003, 01:28:17 AM »
Heya, Happy1!

The key to good gunnery, above all else, is practice.  Don't think of it so much as an equation or various rules of thumb.  Thinking about shooting... computing lead in your head, using gunsight markings, determining relative speeds, etc... can lead to hesitation and inaccuracy.  

It's to the point now where I find that I think very little about aiming, and in fact I had to ponder awhile about what little goes through my mind when I responded to Roscoroo.  This results from practice and years of experience where I get a "feel" for the correct lead and take it.

That said, there are a few techniques that I'd recommend for improving gunnery.  First, turn off your tracers.  I can't stress that enough.  Too often players, even vets who've been playing for years, fall back on tracers as a crutch.  They walk the tracers to the target rather than choosing the correct aiming point initially; this wastes ammo.  Turning tracers off forces you to actually aim using the gunsight.

Second, get in close before opening fire.  I set my convergence to around 250-275, and I rarely open fire past 300 yards unless I'm trying to pick off someone extending away from me on a failed boom and zoom pass.  Firing at your convergence range maximizes lethality, and firing in close increases the lethality of each gun.  It's entirely possible, for instance, to nab two, three, or even four kills with a Spit V's .303s once the 20mm cannons run out simply by getting in close and firing the machine guns at convergence.

Last, take good shots and avoid bad ones.  I tend to prefer deflection shots rather than straight six shots since they provide me with more of the enemy plane to hit.  Very simply, the more area an enemy provides you to hit, the more likely you are to hit it.  To that end, I prefer maneuvering so that I have at least some angle while shooting rather than taking pure six shots.

As for gunsights, I just use the default and always have.  I've never seen the benefit in custom gunsights, but mileage varies from player to player.  You may find a gunsight that helps your aim considerably, so don't rule it out.

Hope this helps!

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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2003, 11:12:15 AM »
Greetings Dead Man Flying :)

Just returned home a couple hours ago from a 2 day business
seminar ...... good 2b home again .... time to rest & recuperate  ;)
Thx ever so much for ur quick response to my queries, per ur sug-
gestions I:

           (A)  Turned off my tracers,
           (B)  Converged my guns to D275
           (C)  Open fire at
Likewise when I'm out of cannons in the Spit V, I get in close to
my tgt & burst off a round of .303s, & was surprised to actually get a couple of kills using MGs only!

Also learned the big difference betwix 6 o'clock shots & deflection
shots, the latter presents a far bigger target (tgt)  :D  U R so rite,
the bigger the tgt the easier the kill.

Thx again for ur worthwhile advice in helping me to become a better marksman & thusly making the game more enjoyable for me.  Ur courtesies, help & graciousness are much appreciated :)

Cheers,

Happy1  :D  

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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2003, 03:53:25 PM »
Leviathn posted some great stuff here...

I myself have my spit 5 conv set at 325,no tracers, as for thats more in my firing range/timing in the game , (ive tried the 250-275  range it  didnt work as well for me )
I also have to do the short 303 burst (feeling for the target ) this is because im currently on 56k again , last year when i was on a steady dsl connect it didnt have to feel for the target as much .

As for gunsites i use the default in everything but the F4u's i have a custom one just for jabo runs. I also have the conv set out at 500 in those planes.

If you ask the other guys your gonna see varied setups all over the place.  id suggest that you try to remember the distance that you fire at most and set your conv for that distance, (under 500 hopefully)

Just something else to take into consideration

also when your flying offline theres a target that you can pull up at a set distance to check your ballistics at different ranges.
fly on auto level first ... then type .target 300  

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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2003, 04:51:20 PM »
Another tips is when you saddle up on the bandit's six position, saddle up at a slight angle to the bandit instead of his 'dead six' position (directly behind the bandit).  By approaching the the bandit's six position at a slight angle, you have more of a target profile to aim at and your shots will likely do more damage since you've got a greater area of the bandit's plane to hit.


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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2003, 03:26:04 AM »
A Cheery Good Morning Roscoroo & Ack-Ack  :)

Thx 4 ur kind advice re convergence & full utilization of .target XXX
to judge the cone of fire of my guns.  I double checked my chosen
convergence of 275 & knocked the bullseye out, well satisfied with
my prowess I tried D300 w/similar results.   At D400, the shots were still within the bullseye but a click lower, so far so good,
however I feel more comfortable w/targeting nmes at  ,
btw, I've a 56K modem & am using a mouse.

I do realize that flying w/a joystick is far more pleasurable than a mouse, in fact everything in flight becomes easier, ever try taking
off from a CV in a fully loaded F4U-1D &/or landing on a CV with a
mouse?   Takes some doing & infinite patience especially w/the a/c yawing from side to side, up & dwn .... LOL  :D

This morning I'm going to stop by at Circuit City & purchase a $10.
joystick, "ST50 Lightning Action Stick" by Saitek, no bells or whistles, just the stick & throttle plus 2 seperate guns, for my hat
(views) I'll use the keypads, as my spouse thinks it's totally silly for a Trader to be playing games women, u can't live w/o
them nor would I want to .... LOL!

The gunsight I use & find most helpful to me is the N1K2 & the Z
(zoom) key when I line up for a shot, incidentally Roscoroo, I'm
happy to learn that in the very near future, u'll have Films (Gun-
cams) combat & training on ur website, which website is most colorful & well done ,,, congratulations.   Yes, I agree with u that Leviathn is quite something in his expertise w/the SpitV & his gunnery skills prowess, the man deserves kudos.

Ack-Ack thx 4 ur input re the proper angle of attack on an nme's 6,  I tried it & was able to see a broader picture of the plane thusly presenting me with a better lead & an easier kill.  I, like-
wise DL'd a few of the P38 films from u, u r quite accomplished in
ur own rite, congrats on ur skills in the 38.

Cheers,

Happy1    

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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2003, 04:50:41 AM »
A quick suggestion about joysticks ... if you can swing the cash get yourself a twisty type stick 19-45 u.s.  you will have alot better rudder control and a hat view set up.
I use a wingman extreme most of the time (19 bucks at target),
The big problem with the wingmans is if you have a heavy hand and wrench the stick alot it breaks a part in the lower spring mount ... I custom welded a part in mine so that doesnt happen anymore.
And i use my old thrustmaster at work(no throttle/4 way hat)w/ rudder peddles.
 alot of guys use the ms sw pro , or the saitek, the guys that invest the bucks go with the thrustmaster, hotas cougar, or the saitek throttle/ stick set up.

as for the force feed backs i get enough vibration at work so i dont use them . (this varies with each user)

 for the saitek st200 i used one befor but without a good rudder your flying skill is limited somewhat. they seam to lose there calibration alot to as they get older.

Just My opinion on joysticks :)

If your gonna keep mouse flying you need to look up "Sysprobe" either here or in the MA , he was the best mouse flyer ive ever seen.He may give you some pointers.
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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2003, 09:51:54 PM »
Hi Roscoroo  :)

Thx 4 ur suggestions ... bot the ST50 joystk prior to coming home
from work, discovered ur email ... tried connecting to my DELL DI-
MENSION 4300 19gigabytes computer, & to my chagrin, noticed that I need a PC Game Card as a PC Game Port is required  :(

Seemingly the joystick's plug is too large & should be approx. 60%
smaller ... what a pain.   A PC Game Card is prolly costly & reason
dictates that even upon installation it's liable to interfere with the
original Sound Card creating other problems or not working at all.

Cheers,

Happy1  :D

P.S. Thx much 4 all of ur help :)

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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2003, 10:09:04 PM »
i remember my old saitek had a usb/ gameport adaptor with it.
and all my wingmans have one .
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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2003, 11:03:55 PM »
Roscoroo, what's a usb/gameport adaptor, where may I buy 1?
Would it remedy my problems?   Thx 4 ur input.

Happy1  :D

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« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2003, 11:10:42 PM »
i think you can get them at any local pc store . even freddies.target ,radio shack ,.... ect

I think you saitek should of came with one ...check the side of the box ... if it says usb combatable then it should of had one.

excuse the typo ...http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/st50.htm  it says its usb port so it should have the adaptor with it .
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2003, 05:51:46 PM »
Greetings Roscoroo:

Thx 4 ur advice, tried several PC Stores downtown, to wit, Comp-
USA, Radio Shack & Circuit City w/o success, none of them have it
& some didn't know what I was talking about  :(   Same results
in area where I reside.

Shall dble chk the Target stores tomorrow, btw, went to the store I purchased my ST50 from & they don't have the usb adapter in the boxes.

Phoned a cple of smaller PC/Electronics stores inquiring abt an adapter w/15 pin analog (Female) with a (Male) USB @ the other
end & they try to sell u the more expensive stuff... that's the way it is in the Bay Area ... $$$ b4 quality work.

Shall have to rethink my earlier decision.   Thx 4 ur help.

Cheers,

Happy1  
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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2003, 09:47:50 AM »
Happy1, can you return the $10.00 stick you just bought?
I myself use a wingman extreme 3D and am happy enough with it.
Probably about $20.00.
It has all you will need for now. Twist handle for rudder control, a great button layout, and 8 way hat switch.
The only thing I dont like about it is it is a little on the fragile side (I go through 2 a year). But I am a little heavy handed.
Having a workable stick will improve your control greatly.
This stick is an acceptable solution for those of us on a budget, I think.
Also this stick comes complete with the gameport to USB adapter,
nothing else to hunt for and buy.

Cheers Happy1, and welcome aboard :)
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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2003, 05:47:46 PM »
Say there RTR :D

Always happy 2 hear from u, thx much 4 ur advice re. Logitech
Wingman Extreme Digital 3D, as a matter of fact, Roscoroo re-
commended it a few days ago likewise, thusly, 2 good positive
inputs.   I must admit that the Wingman products @ 1st impres-
sion don't especially bode well for the stick as it's a flacid looking
contraption  :(

Further empirical study reveals that approx. 50% of the people
using it applaud it whilst the others are against it due to brea-
kage, however, all are unanimous in applauding ease of operation
. setup, & programming, however, the pendulum swings both ways.

Yes RTR, upon ur advice I DID return the ST50 & recouped my ex-
penditure & ordered "Wingman" from , of all places, http://www.amazon.
com a few minutes ago :p  due to the fact that ALL the Target stores, PC stores & CompUSA hardly carry any joysticks, a very limited supply.    The $20.00 stick today costs $29.95 & shall arrive @ my domicile by 09/03/2003; presently I'm out $40.00 +
change ... ouch  :eek:

Gentlemen, I solicit ur assistance in the very near future to help me obtain optimum performance from this purchase.  Thx  ;)

Cheers,

Happy1  :D