Author Topic: Notice the increase of the WB's Style Defensive Manuevers?  (Read 1018 times)

Offline Vermillion

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Notice the increase of the WB's Style Defensive Manuevers?
« on: September 20, 2000, 07:40:00 AM »
So has anyone else noticed the dramatic increase in the WB's style defensive manuevers since the release of 1.04?

Now, don't get me wrong, overall I love 1.04  

But one of the true joys of AH in the earlier versions was that you didn't see unrealistic defensive manuevers, where you did repeated Negative G manuevers and or rapid manuvers or cross controls intended to induced warping.

You just didn't have the E for it. You did one or two and if they didn't work you were left a wallowing pig and a easy target.

Thankfully, I don't see the microwarps or warp rolling in AH that I continually use to see in WB's. So at least its better in that respect.

But two WB's style manuevers I have seen on the rise lately:

1.) Continous Barrel Roll: Basically you just barrel roll your heart out, tightening and losening it, to avoid your attackers guns. Strangely, the aircraft that seems to be the best at this in AH is the N1K2. Last night several times I saw the old "congo line" of 5-6 aircraft chasing N1K2's for a couple of sectors while they merrily barrel rolled away. I sure wish Pyro would tweak the inverted lift profiles of our FM and this would probably go away.

2.)"The Elevator" or the "Porpoise": Ahh.. Isn't this one a classic? Where they continously yank the stick as hard as they can forward and backward, into blackout and redout, hoping to make you overshoot, or black/red out yourself to turn the tables. In real life, you could do that about twice before the pilot became so disoriented thru having the blood sucked out of his head and then slammed right back in rapidly, that he would quickly lose control.

Not a rant... just an observation.



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Offline Mighty1

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2000, 08:55:00 AM »
*beep* *beep**mmmmmmmmmm* <points rant-o-meter at Vermillion> Hmmm! I thought I had a reading but it's gone now.



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Offline leonid

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2000, 09:02:00 AM »
I just got an idea.  Would there be a way to code in a pilot wound type black out sequence following massive G fluctuations?  There must be.  Putting yourself into a +4G to -4G maneuver in a matter of seconds must be a very nasty shock to the system, and tiring to boot.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2000, 09:11:00 AM »
we need G modelling similar to WEP modelling on the engines...

this way you would have only so much strength built up to pull these high G forces and if you turn and burn and wear out your little virtual pilot hes gonna get tired and black out easier  
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Notice the increase of the WB's Style Defensive Manuevers?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2000, 09:28:00 AM »
Anyone noticed this:

A couple hard G manuevers, and your "head" goes slack, for lack of a better description, and you find yourself with tunnel vision, looking at the floor of your cockpit, with your "head" kind of lolling around?  stopping stick movement or pushing the stick forward does nothing to alieviate, and eventually you crash...

what's that about?  is it that my pilot is wounded or something?

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Notice the increase of the WB's Style Defensive Manuevers?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2000, 09:30:00 AM »
Citabria's right! I just remembered this "g-moddelling-feature" modelled in Falcon 4.0. Makes sense...  

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2000, 09:33:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Kratzer:

what's that about?  is it that my pilot is wounded or something?

Yep, do a Control D and you'll see "Pilot Wounded" highlited red.



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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2000, 09:34:00 AM »
oops! Missed Kratzer's post... yup, when your pilot's wounded you'll get the "behavior" that you described in your post.

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2000, 10:06:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Kratzer:
Anyone noticed this:

A couple hard G manuevers, and your "head" goes slack, for lack of a better description, and you find yourself with tunnel vision, looking at the floor of your cockpit, with your "head" kind of lolling around?  stopping stick movement or pushing the stick forward does nothing to alieviate, and eventually you crash...

what's that about?  is it that my pilot is wounded or something?


You got Pilot Wounded.  It will continue to get worse and in some cases you will actually die.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2000, 03:45:00 PM »
Fixing inverted lift and drag would go a loong way to fix those maneuvers.

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2000, 03:54:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Daff:
Fixing inverted lift and drag would go a loong way to fix those maneuvers.

Fix it how?  




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Offline Daff

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2000, 05:40:00 PM »
By adding asymmetrical wings.

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2000, 06:31:00 PM »
Asymmetrical wings have been in since 1.04 daff.

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2000, 06:50:00 PM »
Better doublecheck the F4U-1D, then.

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2000, 07:45:00 PM »
Why's that?  



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