Author Topic: perk my arse !! change it (Read 683 times)

trolla · « **on:** September 08, 2003, 10:05:42 AM »

remove the perktag and dubble the perkcost
In that way the perk planes get more realistic to fly, the 262 will still be somthing noticed when we hear the jet sound.

just a idea instead of lower the perkpoints ?

reason ?

for me i woulda survived 10 times more if not of the perktag when flying perkplanes.
that jerktag gives you 10 conns dropping anything from capturing a base to actually land without fuel just to get me.
the few times you get shot down is worth the dubble cost, but its just a tough ?

trolla · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2003, 10:16:57 AM »

you would not see one single spit dweeb flying it, if a f4u4 cost 120 perks

same goes for the rest

the 190 wannabe longwinged cool plane, would be far more dangerous too if it wasnt for the jerktag

that one would be a major diffrence in some base taking operations in MA.

mos · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2003, 10:27:13 AM »

I stopped reading after he misspelled "double" a second time.

thrila · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2003, 10:32:15 AM »

the 262 has the performance to handle the perk icon and so does the temp. The spitXIV, f4u4, ta152 do not though IMO

Samiam · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2003, 10:52:47 AM »

And just what icon tag should be used for the 262?

How about "CLOUD".

Then, whenever one is in the area, a warning can sound that is Christopher Robin going "Tut, tut. It looks like rain."

That'll fool 'em.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2003, 12:18:43 PM »

I'm just a little black raincloud.

loser · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2003, 12:35:08 PM »

LOL Samiam.

Trolla what exactly is your problem with having an icon that identifies the plane you are flying? Because you become a target? Because you lose your perks when getting into a situation where you deserve to lose them?

And what exactly would be your alternative to the current situation? I didnt see you suggest removing icons altogether like has been suggested too many times before. (Not a feasible idea, at all.) It seems from my understanding (and I had to re-read your post several times) that you would like the icons on the perk planes to be non-specific.

Samiam has you on the 262. Or would "jet" be okay? Too specific? How about just "......" or maybe it would be the only plane with no icon at all. Then it would be impossible to identify.

So that leaves the F4U, the SpitXIV, and the Tempest. In my opinion the ta152 should remain tagged as is, unless HTC adopts trolla's wonderful suggestion of "the 190 wannabe longwinged cool plane."

They could remove the "jerktags" (to quote the poetic coiner of the term) from these planes and they could still be easily identified. They would be the ones at 30K running away from every fight short of doing circuits over the runway of a capped airfield.

"oh bother"

humble · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2003, 12:41:29 PM »

hmmm....

Obviously you dont understand the purpose of perkies....you just collect em and let em gather dust. Outside of the C-hog (and 163) why even bother with them (except for "fun").

trolla · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2003, 12:46:11 PM »

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Originally posted by mos
I stopped reading after he misspelled "double" a second time.

read : 2 øl ?

fuk you too and learn spanish/german/norwegian/swedish/ etc...

not everyone is born english speaking ÆØÅ lol

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #9 on:** September 08, 2003, 03:10:57 PM »

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Originally posted by trolla
fuk you too and learn spanish/german/norwegian/swedish/ etc...
not everyone is born english speaking ÆØÅ lol

Cant agree more.

BTW, I'm more for a system that details the plane type based on range. For example, F4U until inside 700 yards, then F4U4 or F4U1D or F4U1A or F4U1C, and again F4U if the range increases more than 700 yards. This would apply to every plane, not only perk rides, and that range may be drastically reduced by night.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 08, 2003, 05:24:41 PM »

I like Mandobles idea alot, very realistic, hope HiTech reads it. Would alleviate the lemming swarming of perk planes from 6k out...
making people use perk planes more, making people burn perks, making people want more perks, making people even the countries out over time in seek of better perk modifiers and flying a wider variety of aircraft (early/mid war) for better enemy rating.

We seem to be stuck in a rut where perk planes are avoided because of the gang-bang factor which is not how it should be. Pilots in WW2 loved to be the first to get a new model or plane type to try. As it is now we are inundated with the "free perk planes' like La7, P51D, Spits and Niki's and not much else.

The perk system is an economy of supply and demand and there's not much demand, so the incentive system of the perk modifiers is not terribly effective.

SHawk · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2003, 06:38:41 PM »

Umm .......Whats a Perk?

wulfie · « **Reply #12 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:58:15 AM »

The icon should at least be *based* on the aircraft type. The Me 262 should always have a '262' icon because it's the only aircraft that flew in combat during WW2 that had swept wings and twin engines. Those swept wings would really stand out in real life.

Ideally, I'd say that icons should change at range. All Spitfires are 'SPIT' outside of a certain range. At the range in real life (as opposed to 'pixel life') where you could see cannnon barrels All Spitfire Vs, IXs, and XIVs should be randomly labeled as either a Spitfire V, IX, or XIV (unless there is some major physical difference between the 3 - I don't know off the top of my head if there is).

The Ta 152 might be confused for a Fw 190 at long range, but at medium ranges anyone trained to spot aircraft in flight is going to notice the difference in wing shape and wing length in my opinion. Once the eye and the brain get used to looking for and IDing something they get amazingly good at it. A new guy looking down from a helo at a low flying F/A-18 might just know that it is a 'jet'. Before too long he'll be able to tell if it's a F/A-18, F-18, F-15C or F-15E even at fairly long ranges. What seem like fairly minor differences are 'picked out via comparison' (I think that's how it works - I'm not a brain specialist and can't think of a better way to say it) by your eyes and your brain. There's no conscious 'comparison then analysis then identification'. You see the aircraft and the brain runs some subconscious check of the wing size compared to the fuselage size and the length of the canopy compared to the overall size of the fuselage and in about .02 seconds...'click'..."That can't be them it's a F-15C".

The F4U-1C would follow the 'Spitfire cannon barrel rule' I think.

The F4U-4? Did it have a much larger engine/nose than the F4U-1 series aircraft? If it did then it could probably be differentiated at anything but the longest ranges.

Fw 190Ds should be Fw 190Ds at medium ranges as well I think. You could tell the difference in real life at a further range than you can on a computer monitor no matter the resolution you are running. But a Fw 190D-9 would be a Fw 190D and a Fw 190D-13 would be a Fw 190D.

Mike/wulfie

trolla · « **Reply #13 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:36:27 AM »

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Originally posted by wulfie
The F4U-4? Did it have a much larger engine/nose than the F4U-1 series aircraft? If it did then it could probably be differentiated at anything but the longest ranges.

Fw 190Ds should be Fw 190Ds at medium ranges as well I think. You could tell the difference in real life at a further range than you can on a computer monitor no matter the resolution you are running. But a Fw 190D-9 would be a Fw 190D and a Fw 190D-13 would be a Fw 190D.

Mike/wulfie

The f4u4 is a very good aircraft, but the perktag limit it too a average aircraft in MA, for those who have time for long climbs I guess its good. For me that like to fly at under 10k cause i have to log off rapidly somthimes it sucks. The la7 and d9 can catch it at level speed and you can bet a high spit is coming if youre over a base for more than 10 minutes

lazs2 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 09, 2003, 08:07:28 AM »

You would really have to know your Corsairs to differentiate the -4 from the -1's mostly a different cowl opening that you would only see at very close range and then from head on only.
lazs