Oh RIAA your always good for a laugh.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by midnight Target
So if my next door neighbor were to play a CD (hypothetically) loud enough for me to hear AND record it, I am violating the copyright on that music?

Yes.  Just as you'd be violating the copyrights on the music if you recorded a live concert.

If I were to take a picture of a Coca Cola logo, and put it on my wall, am I violating the copyright of the artist who drew it?

If you printed them up and distributed them, yes you would.  If they were just part of a picture then no you wouldn't.

If someone were to hand me a free CD, am I not allowed to accept it? What if he paid for it? what if he got it as a gift from someone else?

There's not a problem provided it was a licensed copy of the music.

If it is OK for me to accept a gift, how about a gift that requires me to do a few keystrokes on my computer to accept it?

Depends on the legality of the gift.  If someone steals a car and gives it to you, you are legally liable for the theft of that car.

Once again... people are taking the rediculous and trying to excuse the norm.  People are downloading music to avoid having to purchase it.  There really isn't a way to legally justify it.

Download all you want, just don't get upset when the people it impacts come looking for you.

MiniD

[Rude]

Originally posted by midnight Target
So if my next door neighbor were to play a CD (hypothetically) loud enough for me to hear AND record it, I am violating the copyright on that music?

If I were to take a picture of a Coca Cola logo, and put it on my wall, am I violating the copyright of the artist who drew it?

If someone were to hand me a free CD, am I not allowed to accept it? What if he paid for it? what if he got it as a gift from someone else?

If it is OK for me to accept a gift, how about a gift that requires me to do a few keystrokes on my computer to accept it?

Ok...so music downloaded from file sharing is a gift to you?

[muckmaw]

That's pretty compelling, actually.

Can it be argued that the PC is simply a means for listening to a song.

For example, say a man named George buys a CD. He loans it to his friend. HIs friend loans it to another friend, and the last friend brings it to your house to listen to it with you.

Are you suppsed cover your ears because you did not pay for CD.

How much different is the computer? Someone bought the CD and is sharing it.

How different is this from someone who buys a cassette, and plays music on a boom box at a party?

How long before the RIAA sues me for whistling a song I hear on the radio? I mean, I'm sharing copyrighted material with other without authorization.

Are they planning on suing 60 million Americans?

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I don't give a rats arnold what they charge for a CD. I will never buy one again because of this heavy handed form of corporate terrorism.

*Side note: I no longer DL music. I'm wondering if it makes sense to delete any songs still on my HD. What do you think?*

[Maniac]

Well,

Right or Wrong, we can all agree that this is not the way to stop file-trading...

[miko2d]

I am not a Lawyer but those would eb my guesses:

midnight Target:So if my next door neighbor were to play a CD (hypothetically) loud enough for me to hear AND record it, I am violating the copyright on that music?

 I think so. But if you recorder it off the radio, under fair use laws you have a right to use it for your personal enjoyment and play in company but not duplicate for distribution nor charge for playing it.

If I were to take a picture of a Coca Cola logo, and put it on my wall, am I violating the copyright of the artist who drew it?[/b]

 Private wall, most likely not. If you put it on some other things, probably yes.

If someone were to hand me a free CD, am I not allowed to accept it? What if he paid for it? what if he got it as a gift from someone else?

 That's fine. The ownership of the intellectual property is linked to the ownership of the media. You can even legally make personal backup copies of teh CD you own - as long as you do not distribute them or sell/play them for money.
 Of course if the person who gave you the CD for free did not destroy all his copies, he will be in violation, unless specifically autorised to replicate the content.
 

If it is OK for me to accept a gift, how about a gift that requires me to do a few keystrokes on my computer to accept it?

 If he gives you a gift and keeps the copy or gives you a gift that he stole, he is in violation, not you - provided you are not aware of the illicit nature of the gift.
 If you are buying/receiving stolen property you may not always be liable unless the prosecution proves that you knew the property was stolen.

 miko

[midnight Target]

So if a friend buys a CD, makes a copy of a song on his computer (legal) then gives me a copy of the song as a gift... I stole the song?

I think not.

Music is falling from the sky. Everyone plug your ears. Save the buggy whip factories!

[Gadfly]

It is very simple gentlemen:

You can copy/record anything you like, be it a photo or a song.

If then you distribute(including multiple copies or for sale) that, then you are breaking the law.

The lawsuits deal with people who allowed OTHERS to access the music from their HD, not those who simply copied it.

[Hortlund]

And dont forget that the RIAA lawsuits are civil lawsuits. That makes the theft argument twice as wrong since if it was theft, it would be a criminal lawsuit.

[Samiam]

Originally posted by Gadfly
It is very simple gentlemen:

You can copy/record anything you like, be it a photo or a song.

If then you distribute(including multiple copies or for sale) that, then you are breaking the law.

The lawsuits deal with people who allowed OTHERS to access the music from their HD, not those who simply copied it.

Well, perhaps just a little more complicated. These well publicised lawsuits are, indeed, against those who are distributing the music.

But every day ISPs and college campuses are served with multiple DCMA infringement notices pointing at customers/students who have merely downloaded from an illegal source and threatening a lawsuit.

If you own the CD and make a copy for your personal use, or record a song from over the airway for your personal use - that's OK. If you obtain a song from an illegal source - even if you pay for it, you are also breaking the law.

Soapbox: A law written by lobbyists for an industry that has demonstrated repeat  incompetence and have spent over five years fighting the inevitable and alienating the volitile psychies that comprise their most important demographic.

[vorticon]

therealso suing a 75 year old after his idiot grandkids downloaded **** from regular kazaa (STUPID!!!) onto his computer



they may as well go after the kiddie pornographers while there at it...

[Dnil]

I have DL's prolly about 3 cds worth of music.  Not much but most standards.

I know its wrong but so is speeding.  I do that pretty darn regularly.  If I got hammered buy a suit, its just like getting a ticket.

I don't agree on how they are going about the suits.  I stopped buying CDs looong before the DL crazy, I got tired of getting screwed out of 18 bucks for 2 good songs.   I almost bought 2 CDs after listening to them after I downloaded them.  The funny thing is the artist is heavily opposed to downloading, ironic huh.

Course I didn't buy it, didn't wanna give him the money

[Ike 2K#]

Im having doubts wheter its still SAFE to download on KAZZA LITE...

[Pfunk]

sure is, just dont SHARE the music

[Frogm4n]

i liked the part where you can use so many other ways of getting stuff off the net without fileshareing.

[Pfunk]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
i liked the part where you can use so many other ways of getting stuff off the net without fileshareing.

Bitorrent,Mirc,newsgroups are the best for warez,movies,games, and CD's before they are released.  Kazaa or other P2P are good for single songs