Serious Whine

[Hooligan]

Icemaw:

Somebody who is doing a low G climing turn is actually adding E not blowing it.

Konig:

Just start filming all the time.  The next time you see something suspicious, study the film and if what is happening does not seem obvious to you then post the film here.

Hooligan

[Tilt]

I think the critical thing on the apparant  HO > flat turn kill is lag.

If when looking back you see him square to you at minus 300/400 then he did not cross the merge as you saw him.

from his perspective he had executed a  flat lead turn prior merge to gain guns on whlist you pull away.

This would have sapped his e.......... he has one shot.

Low e loss or even e gain flat turns are forced to be lag turns when the merge was apparantly HO.............. or else you would see the lead turn start before merge.

High speed immelmans can be very effective in AH IMO particularly in  e efficient loopers like Spits which also have subsequent good handling at 500 plus in the dive out.

These can also be lead orientated when the player thru lag sees a HO merge.

AH's dive acceleration between the max level flight speed and compression speed exhibits very little drag in comparison to AW IMO. So if you dive with a good lead angle you will nearly always catch up. (hint configure your three quarter forward down view for just this)

[BGBMAW]

we can make this easy..just tell us who shot you down..

i can tell u if he cheats..

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yes..i film every figth....only way to have something to stand on...

[Tumor]

I've seen it... not calling it a cheat but there's "a way" to do described things in a 38 that defy physics.  I'll stick with calling it a flight model glitch (exploitable), but it is there, no doubt about that... and it is wrong.

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[MrCoffee]

Originally posted by MAJ KONIG
What is going on? I was in a 190 last night, zoom'd an enemy field when a P38 passed me turned around and caught my 190. This is total crap and he caught me in like 3 secs, closed on me like he was a 262. Something is definately wrong because this isn't the first time it has happened. Oh, and BTW he didn't come from superior alt and made a flat turn at that! Then this same guy comes at me in a A6M that just left the field I was in a P38 at 4K above him and he climbed up and shot my P38 how can this happen. I thought maybe this game was better than WB because noone cheats but maybe Iam wrong.

majkonig, sounds to me like you were perhaps flying too slow. The 190s accelerate very slowly to begin with unless your in a D9. A zero light on fuel could easily climb up to 4k and have enough E to fight you. I dont know, wasnt there so just a guess but thats what it sounds like to me. If he made 4k and got to you, your going to slow.

EDIT: >450 MPH in 190

After reading entire thread, if thats the case and you arent mistaken then he musta made a lead turn on you. Thats the only way. If you kept flying straight thinking he would not catch you, sometimes thats enough leverage for him to make that lead turn and catch you. You could angle him off to the front quarter and after passing turn mildly into him. Of course this forces him to turn tighter. Got to post turn his lead turn or force him to reverse turn (make him bleed his E). He could be at optimum corner velocity when you merge.

[hazed-]

I recently did reversal speed tests. this i did by flying at level speed to 400 mph then executing a slight nose down flat(ish) turn pulling or at least trying to pull a steady G ( i think i used 2.5 or 3 G) almost Every aircraft performed similarly. I found no difference or at least very little between high wing loaded aircraft or low wingloaded. The point was that i kept within the high speed stall limits and as a result lost little speed in ANY aircraft.
(add here the old turn speed/turn rate debate )
Had i jammed the stick back in a jerking movement and 'mushed' the aircraft, (i.e. turn so tight the airflow over the wings is disturbed thus losing lift and producing more drag) then the results would be much more AIRCRAFT MODEL specific. Then the acceleration after the stall would be of greater importance  rather than the ability to hold speed through a non-stalled reversal.

One thing you should realise is if an aircraft passes your front quarter at a level atittude he could be travelling at 200 or 600 and you will find it hard to judge it perfectly. Lets say for arguements sake they are at 500mph and you are at 300mph.If they execute  high G flat reversal/slightly nose down to help keep speed they may lose 50 mph(if they are good it can be less!) but they will end up at your 6 oclock with a 150mph speed advantage.
If your aircraft was to perform the same reversal at 300mph you too would lose some speed but you would STILL be up to 200 mph slower than the other aircraft.

To one it appears the other has reversed with no loss of energy, to the other it is completely different. You have to watch them as they come out of the reversal IN ORDER to guess their E state. Its incredibly difficult to judge it BEFORE he exits (unless of course yo KNOW their speed which i assume you dont in the situation mentioned )

Having said that if you were in a 190a5 at maximum speed, then dive with wep and then extend and you are at absolute maximum speed (i.e. your aircraft is shaking) then its HIGHLY UNLIKELY that any aircraft could pass you in the opersite direction and reverse and then gain on you WITHOUT having an initial high speed dive to put him at HIS maximum speed.
The 190 is no slouch BUT it does lose speed and energy quickly. Performing rolls etc to avoid flack DOES slow you down quickly yet it 'FEELS' as though you are losing little. Are you sure you knew all the paremeters of this fight? are you sure the p38 wasnt just out of a high speed dive? have you tested and managed to remember how the many different types of aircraft behave in the manouver you described(and have you done it recently)? are you sure you didnt bleed off more E than you thought? if you are sure then you could have something but if you arent sure I'd put it down to experience and be aware things can fool you into thinking you have it all correct when you dont.A film is the only real way to prove things one way or the other.

[hazed-]

Originally posted by Tumor
I've seen it... not calling it a cheat but there's "a way" to do described things in a 38 that defy physics.  I'll stick with calling it a flight model glitch (exploitable), but it is there, no doubt about that... and it is wrong.

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so theres a known error in the flight model but you choose not to reveal it. Why I wonder?

you either dont want realism and would rather just win by exploiting a bug or
you like realism, dont use the bug to your advantage but know of others who do and you dont want to spoil their fun by documenting it here.

either way i think it verges on cheating either by you or the others. Personally if something was unrealistic I'd rather see it corrected as i dont like any form of competition where the choice is either play by the rules and be at a disadvantage OR cheat with the rest in order to have a chance to win.

btw just out of interest I know its off topic a bit but do you consider that using drugs is the same as cheating, in athletics, or do you think it should be up to the competitor? and do you want non drug-taking athletes to be forced to take drugs in order to compete with those that do and dont get caught?
Its all the same thing. If you know of a cheat being used TELL HTC.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Tumor
I've seen it... not calling it a cheat but there's "a way" to do described things in a 38 that defy physics.  I'll stick with calling it a flight model glitch (exploitable), but it is there, no doubt about that... and it is wrong.

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[Kweassa]

Got me stumped too, Tumor.

 What is it?

[GScholz]

I know of an "exploit" in AH. I'm quite sure HTC know of it, but unfortunately it very difficult if at all possible to do something about. Almost every online game is subject to this exploit. Without going into details it creates the "warp on command", "warp to six" and "flying through terrain" phenomena. Only way I can think of dealing with this is to film and report suspect behaviour to HTC. With the player base getting younger, more computer literate and with a "game mindset" rather than flightsim/WWII enthusiast, I fear we will see more of this.

[BenDover]

To bad we can't stop kids below 14/15 yo from playing (not 13, they get cocky because they got their first hair on their dick.)

[guttboy]

Ok Tumor......you started it.....what is the "glitch"

Anxiously awaiting your response..........

[Twist]

Originally posted by GScholz
I know of an "exploit" in AH. I'm quite sure HTC know of it, but unfortunately it very difficult if at all possible to do something about. Almost every online game is subject to this exploit. Without going into details it creates the "warp on command", "warp to six" and "flying through terrain" phenomena. Only way I can think of dealing with this is to film and report suspect behaviour to HTC. With the player base getting younger, more computer literate and with a "game mindset" rather than flightsim/WWII enthusiast, I fear we will see more of this.

I'm starting to see more and more of this lately. There must be a way to detect it but I wouldn't know, I only put the hardware together, not into much more then basic scripts and such.

MAJ KONIG: I've had the same thing you described involving the 38 happen only with a mossie, who caught my D9 after a HO pass. I pulled up after we passed and he got me before I slowed to 325 to start my turn.  Mossie had just completed a turn back to my position so his speed couldn't have been very high.  How did he turn and climb up to me?? I wish I knew!

Just keep the film running and grab another plane, they're already paid for, not much more you can do.

[MAJ KONIG]

ok, I understand that a squaddie of mine filmed some clown doing this "warp to six" glitch, he then gave it to HTC and need less to say that guy doesn't have an account anymore. Please dont ask for names cuz I cant remember and I dont want to give the 90 questions bit to a fellow squaddie. The point is that people out there are cheating and theres a way to do it, but I guess the best course is to film all this going on and turn over what you film over to the man in charge.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Twist
I'm starting to see more and more of this lately. There must be a way to detect it but I wouldn't know, I only put the hardware together, not into much more then basic scripts and such.

MAJ KONIG: I've had the same thing you described involving the 38 happen only with a mossie, who caught my D9 after a HO pass. I pulled up after we passed and he got me before I slowed to 325 to start my turn.  Mossie had just completed a turn back to my position so his speed couldn't have been very high.  How did he turn and climb up to me?? I wish I knew!

Just keep the film running and grab another plane, they're already paid for, not much more you can do.

It sounds more like not knowing the capabilities of various aircraft opposed to the one you're flying.  Since you're assuming his speed couldn't have been very high, you really didn't know what his E state was to begin with.  It is very easy to maintain E through a turn and that's probably what the Mossie pilot did.

I guess it's just easier to call out cheater or other such nonsense than to fix the blame on yourself for what basically amounts to a break down in SA.


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