Top 12 Reasons Jug was best WWII fighter

[YUCCA]

Can't you read? P51 and p47.

[Karnak]

Hmm.

I didn't read the first post.

I assumed that he was comparing more than just the P-51 and P-47 to arrive at what the best fighter of WWII was.  If he was only comparing those two then he wasn't really deciding what the best fighter of WWII was.

I seem to recall that Cpt. Eric Brown thought the F4U-4, Fw190D-9, and Spitfire Mk XIVe were the best piston fighters of WWII and he flew quite a few more than just the P-51 and P-47.

[Ack-Ack]

I always get a kick out of the arm chair aces that read comments from a real life WW2 pilot that is talking from his combat experience in whatever plane and then dismiss the WW2 vets comments out of hand.


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[MrCoffee]

I think the best wwII fighter was the spitfire and all its versions, even though Im not a real big spitfire fan (I fly them now and then though). Too bad the British didnt put bigger fuel tanks in them.

[Dowding]

Probably the Spitfire given it's lengh of service. But I think the Tempest is up there - a real beast of plane.

[Duedel]

262

[Nilsen]

Not that you can compare my experience with that vet , but i agree.... the jug is a better fighter in MA than the pony, at least in my hands.

Nice story btw

[SELECTOR]

horses for couses ....different roles...cannot compare...best fighter of WWII is late mk spits no doubt, out run or out turn anything..but in AH we have to expect a little bias ( understandably) towards the USAF and USNAVY planes...

[frank3]

Really nice story! he named all the great things of the jug! ofcourse there are many disadvantages on the jug compared to the pony

like he said: "10. The Mustang went from 1,150-horse power Allison
engines to the Packard built Rolls-Royce Merlin engine
that had 1,590 hp. The Thunderbolt started out with a
2,000 hp Pratt & Whitney engine, and ended up with
2,800 war emergency hp with water injection. That's
close to twice the power."

This is true, but the Jug was much heavier.

and: "12. The Jug's record against all opposing aircraft is
remarkable. The ratio of kills to losses was
unmistakably a winner. Thunderbolt pilots destroyed a
total of 11,874 enemy aircraft, over 9,000 trains, and
160,000 vehicles."

This is true too, but America started flying with the jugs and kept on troughout the war, they were manufactured in large numbers.
as was the P51 but they came later on and flew in much smaller numbers.

And he doesn't mention the manoeuvrability or dogfights of the Jug vs P51 so he just says things so that it would look like the jug was better.

which I think too:D

nice story Yucca!

[Hungry]

Yucca,
Excellent post, to Mr Collins.  Its a shame tho with the way these silk scraffed numbskulls try and pick everything apart.

[YUCCA]

thanks

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by MrCoffee
I think the best wwII fighter was the spitfire and all its versions, even though Im not a real big spitfire fan (I fly them now and then though). Too bad the British didnt put bigger fuel tanks in them.

If you read the original post, he was not comparing the Jug as the best fighter in WW2.  All the pilot was saying that from his experience in both aircraft that it was his opinion that out of the two aircraft, the P-47 was a far better plane than the P-51.  Now who's gonna know more, an arm chair ace or someone that actually flew both planes to their limits in combat?

BTW- If you really want to know what the best fighter plane was, that one is very easy.  Everyone knows that it was the twin-engined scourge of the skies, the P-38 Lightning


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[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I always get a kick out of the arm chair aces that read comments from a real life WW2 pilot that is talking from his combat experience in whatever plane and then dismiss the WW2 vets comments out of hand.

Ain't that the truth?

Thanks for posting the article, Yucca, it's good stuff.

- oldman

[Sarge]

this is the best fighter in WW2 at least these pilots didnt brag on how great they were , well i guess these pilots couldnt flying the MX7, Could be used in place of the auger diving p38s in ma .


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[YUCCA]

P-47 Reigns Supreme over P-51 Mustang
Don Whinnem  B-17 Escort Mission  
352nd FG  ETO -  

We were escorting B-17s. I was flying Al Marshall's
wing. We got into a mixup and got separated from the
Group. I looked over my left shoulder and saw
something coming in. I called , 'Al, there's a bandit
coming in at 7 o'clock high'.

We did a scissors. Al broke left, I broke right and
when I completed my circle it looked like Al was being
shot up by an ME109 I put the throttle to the
firewall, poured on the water injection and got on his
tail. When I got within 200 yards I started firing and
got strikes all over the plane. But as soon as he was
hit he broke up sharply, and only then did I see the
square wingtips and square tail. It was a P-51!

I called our Group Commander, Col. Joe Mason, a real
tiger, and said 'Sir,there are some P-51s in the
area'. He came back, real caustic, 'The hell they are.
They're 109s. Shoot the bastards down'. 'But sir, one
of them is a P-51 and I just shot it up pretty good'.
Silence.

Well, I located the P-51 again, and by this time he
knew we were 47s, so I pulled up alongside to take a
look. I didn't know it was Glenn Eagleston, but he
looked like he was hurting. There was nothing I could
do, so I left him and joined our formation.

I got part of the story later that day and the rest of
it 3 months later. It went all the way up to the 8th
Fighter Command Hqs......A p-47 had shot up a P-51.
Col Mason had to go up there and explain it to the
brass. But our story held up. The P-51 was 150 miles
off copurse, and his camera film showed him shooting
at a P-47.

The trouble was that an FW190 and a P-47 have the same
silhouette. You have to see the planview to see the
elliptical wings.

Three months later I crash landed near a 9th AF base,
and was taken to their hospital with a banged up nose
and forehead. Eagleton was stationed there and they
knew my name from the flap at Hqs, so he looked me up
and we drank beer at the club and flew the mission all
over again.

Eagleton swore he was shooting at a FW190, and even my
camera film looked like I was shooting at a 109 to our
Intelligence Officer. Glenn said the only thing that
saved him was the armor shield behind the cockpit..
The bullets came in over his shoulder, hit the
instrument panel, knocking most of them out.. When he
got to his base it was weathered in and he was forced
to bail out. His instruments were too shot up to try
it.

And that's how Don Whinnem shot down Glenn Eagleston -
something no German pilot was able to do. Glenn ended
up with 20 1/2 confirmed victories, tops in the 9th
AF. Whinnem was no slouch either. He didn't get credit
for that P-51, but he got enough 109s and 190s to make
him an Ace.