They're Talking About Us Again

[Rutilant]

Originally posted by Udie
you guys,  these are games....

WTF! You bastard! Rationality like that will get you lynched! Now shaddap and watch the show.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Mini D
Off hand I'd say it's because he's taking advantage of competitor's courtesy without offering the same in exchange.

MiniD

Thanks, Mini.

If I even had the remotest idea that something so obvious would need repeated explanation I'd have made a much, much more detailed post to begin with. My mistake.

I'll wager Killer got it right off the bat though.

But maybe, after you just spelled it out for them, the rest of them will get it.

[Westy]

"you guys, these are games.... "


 Sure. And it's only a discussion. It's not like there's a great village gathering collecting feathers and boiling up the tar ..... yet  

 On the other hand I imagine I could leave this topic and go post in the other of the OT discussions, "you guys, this is just politics..."

[Mini D]

I'm not nearly as optimistic Toad.  You'd think such a simple concept would be painfully obvious... to the point of wincing when it's pointed out.  But, there are still those that say "I do see what the problem is" as they participate in a discussion on this BBS because we can't participate in the discussion on theirs.

"Can you imagine what CRS would have to deal with if they allowed anyone to post on their forums?"

Yes I can.

MiniD

[CRS Killer]

They can if they want to, I would even give them free accounts if they asked. The boards aren't going to open up though, they are for a purpose and the signal to noise ratio is high enough already. I believe the support forums are open, or were last I checked.

One of these days I may even have time to take Dale up on his offer to go fly with him till he makes me barf.

These are just games, an assortment of compromises to realism drawn on lines that each developer makes for their own reasons. Enjoy them for what they are and what they do, as each does different things better or worse or just different, and each has plenty of good things to enjoy.

To sit and pick any sim apart on any issue is easy, anyone can do it to any sim, but it really only accomplishes nothing but lessening opportunities for fun for people who do so.

And yes I read here and many other places, It gives a good idea of how people view my product and ideas on what to prioritize to fix. I also play other games, even games like EQ and SWG. I even post as myself on the SWG boards griping at their developers

[Toad]

Well, Killer, I'll disagree with you on the boards question.

They are your boards to do with as you will; I've got no problem there.

But, seems to me, if you truly wanted "a good idea of how people view my product and ideas on what to prioritize to fix", you'd open them up. Because then people like me would tell you what it's going to take to get me to subscribe.

Signal to noise is ALWAYS high. It is here, it is on your board. The difference is you're blocking access to necessary info.

I like your concept in WW2OL. I'd like to keep watching it as it develops and I'd like to be able to read and post in your boards. I want to learn what's going on, ask questions, get answers and.. participate.

Yeah, I might even contribute "noise" now and then.  

But we all know that after a while each of us has built-in noise filters that work. We just ignore the scheisskopf posters as soon as we see them post.

But, it's your choice and I have no problem with that.

I do find it... ummmm.... interesting.... that you would post here, a place where anyone, anywhere, anytime can post but yet you're convinced your own boards need to stay closed to non-members.

[Thrawn]

Beautiful.  So HTC can do whatever they want with their BBS, but not CRS?

Nowhere have I seen HTC say that this BBS is open to the general public, expect employees of their competion.  And killer is part of the general public.  

The CRS BBS is open to paying customers.  There ya go, their BBS thier rules.


Edit: Cross posted with Toad.

[Westy]

" I believe the support forums are open, or were last I checked. "

  Nope.  I had some problems with using the keymapper and views that I could not post about anywhere on the WWIIO boards. I knew about AGW and found some of the answers there. Pity the trial players who don't and need help.



 I get this error trying to post to all the forumns. Here's a copy of it just now from trying to post a question "support"

"WWIIOL Forums >Community Support (PC)

 Sorry, but you cannot post to these forums. It appears that you are a free trial player. You must have a premium subscription in order to post to community forums."

[Udie]

My thought on the CRS board, if it matters.  Have you guys ever seen how fast those boards move?  I remember when the boards were open.  I'd make a post and within 10-15 minutes the thing would be 5 pages back.  That's one reason, in my view they closed them.  ALOT more people post over there.  The 2nd reason, again in my view, is/was people like the infamous "Blair"  That dude was like MG and Weasel and ME all balled up into one irate customer.  He would hijack any thread that might be helping somebody and start injecting his venom.  Hell even Datter had to kick him off his board for the same thing.

[Mini D]

Udie... you cite things that every BBS has to deal with.  Individuals spamming?  Nah.. never had that over here.

It's just funny to me that someone feels the need to go over to someone else's forums and defend the game they write/play and doesn't feel the same should be afforded to others.  It's even funnier when they come here and try to justify why they shouldn't open up their boards while perpetuating those very reasons on competitor's sites.

But... it's theirs to do with as they will.  I don't try to go there and criticize it and I don't try to circumvent it for reaction.  I'll just continue to point out the desparity to anyone that thinks it shouldn't matter.

MiniD

[Fishu]

MiniD,

WWIIOL forums has had a few times more posters than here, thats something you simply cannot argue with.

Another problem is created by the more diverse groups of players.

In my opinion flight simulator players are generally much more behaving than the ones from first person shooter games, like CS, Quake, Rogue Spears....
Of course theres rotten cases in the flight sim genre as well, but IMO far less.

In WWIIOL these groups gets mixed up and the noise is equal to it.

[blkmgc]

I think its safe to say that most flight simmers read all of the available sims boards. What the heck, we all look for cool stuff. I'm  interested in AH 2  and I'll be trying it out.

 Westy, I dont really know where your hatred of me comes from. I have never talked with you, played in the same area as you, or even remember seeing you in any arena ..anywhere.Vulcan either for that matter. For you to post such insults without any merit or knowledge of me other than a post on a UBB is very..odd? to say the least. I offered opinion without flag waiving or insult, nothing more.Unless you own part of HTC or are the officially appointed HTC UBB knight , I really dont know where your coming from.Sorry if I offended you in any way.

 Udiee, I never thought of you like MG...maybe Hurric but......oops...here he comes!


blkmgc

[Vulcan]

"blkmgc I think your attitude towards AI is probably the most short sighted uneducated dribble I've seen for ages. "

Thats not an insult?

This is an insult:
"blkmgc, your pubescent regions are infest with the flies of a thousand sheep dags"

[B17Skull12]

IN:D

[Drunky]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Beautiful.  So HTC can do whatever they want with their BBS, but not CRS?

Nowhere have I seen HTC say that this BBS is open to the general public, expect employees of their competion.  And killer is part of the general public.  

The CRS BBS is open to paying customers.  There ya go, their BBS thier rules.


Edit: Cross posted with Toad.

High horse or just gay?