Author Topic: Orson Scott Card on MP3 and RIAA (Read 1139 times)

Sandman · « **on:** September 16, 2003, 08:47:57 PM »

It's a good read...

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-09-07-1.html

Sandman · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2003, 08:50:55 PM »

One more reason to love Canada...

http://techcentralstation.com/081803C.html

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2003, 08:54:02 PM »

Damn MP3 trading communist!!!

Anyone have a hi res copy of that poster?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2003, 09:05:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
One more reason to love Canada...

http://techcentralstation.com/081803C.html

Canada isn't all its cracked up to be for you liberals...

Animal · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2003, 09:18:35 PM »

I would never have expected him to say anyting on this subject.

And I'm glad he did. The man is one of the greatest science fiction writers of all time. A very intelligent man.

-tronski- · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2003, 09:28:52 PM »

First, most of the people who are getting those free MP3s would not be buying the CDs anyway. They're doing this in order to get far more music than they can actually afford. That means that if they weren't sharing MP3s online, they would simply have less music -- or share CDs hand to hand. It does not mean that they would have bought CDs to get the tunes they're downloading from Napster-like sharing schemes.

That's why I laugh at their estimates of "lost sales."

I like that...an excellent point

Tronsky

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2003, 09:42:19 PM »

If you can't afford it, steal it.

Nice. I wonder if he feels the same way about movie DVDs or PC software.

Animal · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2003, 09:44:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
If you can't afford it, steal it.

Nice. I wonder if he feels the same way about movie DVDs or PC software.

I bet you did not even bother to read what he wrote.

AKIron · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2003, 10:47:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
I would never have expected him to say anyting on this subject.

And I'm glad he did. The man is one of the greatest science fiction writers of all time. A very intelligent man.

One of my favorite authors.

Gadfly · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2003, 11:04:12 PM »

First, most of the people who are getting those free MP3s would not be buying the CDs anyway. They're doing this in order to get far more music than they can actually afford. That means that if they weren't sharing MP3s online, they would simply have less music -- or share CDs hand to hand. It does not mean that they would have bought CDs to get the tunes they're downloading from Napster-like sharing schemes.

That's why I laugh at their estimates of "lost sales."

That "excellent point" means that since I can't afford a porsche, I can just steal one from the dealership? Hey, they got plenty, and this way, many people that otherwise would not have one will and just imagine all the "lost sales" that are being prevented!

What a stupid statement.

AKIron · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2003, 11:07:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Gadfly
First, most of the people who are getting those free MP3s would not be buying the CDs anyway. They're doing this in order to get far more music than they can actually afford. That means that if they weren't sharing MP3s online, they would simply have less music -- or share CDs hand to hand. It does not mean that they would have bought CDs to get the tunes they're downloading from Napster-like sharing schemes.

That's why I laugh at their estimates of "lost sales."

That "excellent point" means that since I can't afford a porsche, I can just steal one from the dealership? Hey, they got plenty, and this way, many people that otherwise would not have one will and just imagine all the "lost sales" that are being prevented!

What a stupid statement.

Actually it's more like you build your own porsche and stick their label on it. Not that I advocate pirating music, I don't.

Gadfly · « **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2003, 11:25:41 PM »

No, it is more like you utilize all of their shop drawings to build your own. If you want to create a cover of someones music, like they did in the old days with midi, I don't think there is an issue, but to make a digital copy is a little more than just a facsimile.

AKIron · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2003, 11:28:36 PM »

Either way, you aren't costing them resources or a sale which was Card's point. He wasn't advocating piracy but rather ridiculing their estimated losses.

-tronski- · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2003, 11:46:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Gadfly
First, most of the people who are getting those free MP3s would not be buying the CDs anyway. They're doing this in order to get far more music than they can actually afford. That means that if they weren't sharing MP3s online, they would simply have less music -- or share CDs hand to hand. It does not mean that they would have bought CDs to get the tunes they're downloading from Napster-like sharing schemes.

That's why I laugh at their estimates of "lost sales."

That "excellent point" means that since I can't afford a porsche, I can just steal one from the dealership? Hey, they got plenty, and this way, many people that otherwise would not have one will and just imagine all the "lost sales" that are being prevented!

What a stupid statement.

Actaully it means Porche couldn't complain about lost sales from people who wouldn't normally buy their cars.

Tronsky

Gadfly · « **Reply #14 on:** September 16, 2003, 11:47:08 PM »

A better analogy than cars would be books. Sure there is a small minority that buy books for the book itself as well as the information contained inside, but the fact remains, if you are a publisher and the text of your book is available for free, you will lose sales that should be yours.

Lost sales due to the inability to pay for them is one of the stupidist concepts I have ever heard. It ranks right up there with the justification for copying software: They make **** software! I ain't paying for it, I will just steal it!