Author Topic: citizenship test (Read 2016 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 19, 2003, 09:42:55 AM »

maybe we should just take away the right for public school teachers to vote until their students improved.

take away any politicians right to run again if his/her area didn't improve its schools test scores.
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #31 on:** September 19, 2003, 09:48:21 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
maybe we should just take away the right for public school teachers to vote until their students improved.

take away any politicians right to run again if his/her area didn't improve its schools test scores.
lazs

Oooooohhhh...looking forward to banana's response on this one. Go get 'im banana.

Wanker · « **Reply #32 on:** September 19, 2003, 09:50:17 AM »

Hi Lazs. Hope you're having a great day, too!

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 19, 2003, 09:52:18 AM »

why punish the student for lack of knowledge?
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #34 on:** September 19, 2003, 09:53:28 AM »

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Originally posted by banana
Hi Lazs. Hope you're having a great day, too!

DISAPPOINTED;)

miko2d · « **Reply #35 on:** September 19, 2003, 02:28:40 PM »

john9001: tarmac. you are prejudging poor people to be stupid, do not confuse money/education with intelligence.

No he is not. There is massive amount of research confiring that stupid and poor people are mostly the same in US.

There are still arguments whether stupidity causes poverty or the other way around but the fact that most poor people are stupid and most stupid people are poor has been established beyong any doubt.

Erlkonig: Why do you hate democracy?

Democratic government tends to concentrate on increase of income which it can appropriate rather than increase in capital value which it cannot appropriate.
Most other forms of government tend to do the opposite.
Which means democracy would loot the country and make it worse in pursuit of short-term gains while other forms would tend to improve the value/worth/quality of the country.

banana: I think your "test" stinks. You probably think that the more taxes you pay, the more votes you should get!

Government is an institution with territorial monopoly on violence. In unlimited democracy (like our) the majority controls the government and thus monolply on violence.
When less than 50% of the population pay all the taxes, the non-taxpayer majority in control of the government has no restriction on legally enforcing any king of taxation on productive minority.
The only respect in which it differs from slavery is that the exploited producer can run away into another country or stop working and join the unproductive scum.

miko

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #36 on:** September 19, 2003, 02:58:29 PM »

Next up on John's bright ideas for disenfranchisement: Grandfather Clauses!

Sorry, miko, you're out of luck.

-- Todd/Leviathn

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #37 on:** September 19, 2003, 03:56:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
lol The well known fascist known as Maggie Thatcher loved the idea of a Poll Tax. So much so that it cost her her job. I cried myself to sleep that day.

Do liberal Brits throw around terms like "fascist" the way their Yankee brethren wield labels like "bigot" and "Nazi"? You guys really ought to agree on a common leftist lexicon.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #38 on:** September 19, 2003, 04:18:53 PM »

Miko better hope he will never get too sick to work. He might find out that poverty isn't that far off, regardless of intelligence.

With no social network backing you, it's the gutter time.

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #39 on:** September 19, 2003, 04:47:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
The thing is that i guess we from Europe would score higher on this test then the American citizens themselfs...

I'm not so sure about that, particularly if spelling counts.

LoneStarBuckeye · « **Reply #40 on:** September 19, 2003, 05:09:42 PM »

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Originally posted by banana
I think your "test" stinks. You probably think that the more taxes you pay, the more votes you should get!

Why not?

If one: a. pays a larger percentage of his income as tax; and b. pays a larger gross amount of tax than someone else, why shouldn't the person contributing more have a greater say in how the pool of collected taxes is spent? And, as a corollary, why should someone who hasn't contributed at all (and, in fact, has acted as a fund sink) have any say at all?

This is what happens today, anyhow, except you've got to be REALLY rich before you can exert disproportionate influence via lobbying, television ads for candidates, etc. I think it'd be better if we just dropped the pretense and let everyone play by the same rules.

lazs2 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 20, 2003, 11:11:47 AM »

I don't really care so long as we all agree that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or womenly men... or teachers.
lazs

AKIron · « **Reply #42 on:** September 20, 2003, 11:15:43 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't really care so long as we all agree that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or womenly men... or teachers.
lazs

or Californians

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 21, 2003, 09:28:51 AM »

iron... most californians are women,womanly men or teachers. They should not be alllowed to vote.
lazs

AKIron · « **Reply #44 on:** September 21, 2003, 02:25:54 PM »

Well, what about those California manly men with brand new drivers licenses courtesy of your current Governor? In many (if not all) states, a drivers license is the only ID required to vote.