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« Reply #180 on: September 24, 2003, 09:59:59 AM »
Bush is intelligent and doing a good job.  Iraq is moving towards stability, painfully and tragically, but in the end it will all be good.

The whole UN speech is just politics on schedule.

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« Reply #181 on: September 24, 2003, 10:38:28 AM »
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We're going to pursue paths which are in our best interests...that should not suprise you....all you have to do is agree or get out of the way.

There was, not so long ago, a time when Europe and the US shared common interests and goals....it's not our policies which have changed.



No, it does not suprise me at all.  The actions of US today is just repeating historic misstakes and it proves that you learned a little during your short history.

The fact that Europe and US does not share the same interests and goals, is a healthy sign.
It shows: That the people in Europe are more concerned and have more knowledge about the rest of the world, then people in US. That the Europeen people are more well educated then the US people.

While the rest of the world is trying to break out of the straps that the Oil from middleeast is providing, US just make themselfs harder tied up to it.

When you are cold, pissing yourself might be a shortsighted soulotion.

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« Reply #182 on: September 24, 2003, 10:42:17 AM »
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No, it does not suprise me at all.  The actions of US today is just repeating historic misstakes and it proves that you learned a little during your short history.

The fact that Europe and US does not share the same interests and goals, is a healthy sign.
It shows: That the people in Europe are more concerned and have more knowledge about the rest of the world, then people in US. That the Europeen people are more well educated then the US people.

While the rest of the world is trying to break out of the straps that the Oil from middleeast is providing, US just make themselfs harder tied up to it.

When you are cold, pissing yourself might be a shortsighted soulotion.


Nice.

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« Reply #183 on: September 24, 2003, 12:25:38 PM »
Found this today, thought some of you might enjoy it.


                          'Bush's Illegal War' Questionnaire
 

Please answer as many of the following questions as you can, and as many with a straight face as possible. Please answer quickly as you already have all of the answers.

 

 

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than  Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

 

2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

 

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

 

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

 

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

 

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

 

7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

 

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

 

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

 

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

 

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

 

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

 

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

 

14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

 

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

 

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

 

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

 

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

 

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

 

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

 

21. Would Hillary?

 

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

 

23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

 

Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

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« Reply #184 on: September 24, 2003, 12:29:25 PM »
LOL Lazerus
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« Reply #185 on: September 24, 2003, 03:24:30 PM »
lazerus, I comepletly agree: Bring the Re2005 to AcesHigh!

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« Reply #186 on: September 25, 2003, 12:30:37 AM »
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lazerus, I comepletly agree: Bring the Re2005 to AcesHigh!


Finally


Someone who agrees with me:D

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« Reply #187 on: September 29, 2003, 11:41:56 PM »
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« Reply #188 on: September 30, 2003, 12:03:45 AM »
"Give me a backhoe and I'll bury the world"- Archmedies

Seems that all this 'Bush and Blair' are liars crowd have based their argument on the thought that Saddam Hussein destroyed his weapons stockpile, a stockpile the UN and the world knew he had, and had used against the Kurdish people.

Iraq is the size of Caleeforneeya, and if I had a few weeks and the Mojave desert, I could easily hide tons of stuff.  All it takes for a few tons of nerve gas is a few cubic meters of space.

I lot of people climbing pretty far out on that limb.

All it takes is opening of a basement in Tikrit we haven't yet got to and many will be eating crow.  Maybe the crow is out there on that limb.
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« Reply #189 on: September 30, 2003, 12:19:27 AM »
If you're just going to hide it the moment that you have an invading army at your borders, what's the point of having it?
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« Reply #190 on: September 30, 2003, 12:21:42 AM »
Nobody said Hussein was a military genious.

Did he ever make an intellegent military decision?
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« Reply #191 on: September 30, 2003, 12:24:18 AM »
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Nobody said Hussein was a military genious.

Did he ever make an intellegent military decision?



You'll have to do better than that. :rofl
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« Reply #192 on: September 30, 2003, 12:49:40 AM »
I have no idea as to Hussiens motives.  He could have ammassed 100 times the personal wealth if he had been a benevolent dictator.  

He could have built 2 or 3 palaces and the rest could have been hospitals, schools, Bagdad U, (Or is it Bagdad State U?)  

He could have chosen to maintain and expand the infrastucture of Iraq, using oil to build the myriad of petro-products, thereby creating a plethra of great jobs for his people.

He could have peacefully sold oil and provided for his people a lifestyle the envy of the mideast, skimming just a small percentage off the top of a huge pie, but instead chose to torture his people, ruin the economy of his homeland, and to keep Iraq in virtual poverty.  Then he could eat all of a micoscopic pie.

In GW1, he allowed (what was it?) 6 months of preparation for the liberation of Kuwait and thought they would never attack.

I think calling Hussien a bad descision maker is an understatement, and I think I do not have to do better than that.

My point a couple of posts ago, is that WMD's may be out there, and when (if) they are found, a lot of people are going to have to choke back a lot of rhetoric.  

My position is wait and see at this point, GWB could have screwed the pooch, or he could have made the best decision of the last 100 years.  Time will tell, and we should let it play out for a while.
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« Reply #193 on: September 30, 2003, 04:21:40 AM »
Holden - it seems strange that no-one has been persuaded (through cash or other means) to identify all these well hidden stockpiles.

Apparently Saddam had deployable WMD ready to go in 45 minutes - that would mean he had the infrastructure to fabricate and transport the stuff to where it was needed. That's alot of gear to hide. Let's say he does bury it in the desert - how many people would be required to do that? Are we saying that Saddam, Usay and Qusay struck out one night with a "learn-how-to-drive-a-360-in-one-easy-lesson" manual and buried an entire weapon's program including the finished article?

No, it would take more people. People who have already been taken in by the Coalition for questioning. Given the kind of inducements that were offered for the capture of the big cheeses, and given the length of time these big cheeses have been in captivity why has there been no progress in finding a single stockpile of WMD or even one piece of plant equipment? The mobile 'labs' turned out to be dis-used weather balloon inflators and the drums they found early on were just pesticides - not my conclusions, but those of the Coalition.
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« Reply #194 on: September 30, 2003, 04:49:40 AM »
Dowding...

Have you ever adopted a dog from the animal shelter?

If the dog was beaten and otherwise mistreated by a previous owner, it may take some time to warm up to you.

I am not saying the stockpiles exist or the WMD argument was a ruse, I am advocating patience.
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