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Offline Kieran

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23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #75 on: September 24, 2003, 03:28:56 PM »
Now we are getting closer to seeing eye-to-eye.

I am all for letting kids fail that choose to fail. I have no time in my day for kids that are given every opportunity to do the right thing but choose not to over and over. They are dragging the rest of the class and school down, and the sooner we are shed of them, the better. This does not mean I am unsympathetic to a kid that is busting his/her butt to make it. My simplified world view is society has no use for people that make no attempt to fit in, and the sooner these kids learn the lesson, the better. Let them come back a year or two later, or let them take a G.E.D. once they understand how the world really works.

Perhaps I mispoke... but there are people that will use every test score, or every report (as linked above) to make a point regardless of the context of the scores or the report- and that is not even considering the accuracy issue. Attributing this to you without a direct link was wrong, and I apologize.

I wish parents would get laughed out of court, but they aren't. The tests themselves are attacked. Where do you think "English as a Second Language" policies came from? Parents upset the tests were biased, therefore depriving their children equal education.

It would be difficult to return to the standards of 30 years ago, mainly because the world is irrevocably different than it was. Still... I wish we could narrow our focus a bit to pure academics and ignore the moral issues that seem to dominate our thinking.

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« Reply #76 on: September 24, 2003, 05:35:28 PM »
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Who said anything about test scores? The cited report isn't about how well children learn history but rather about the content of the history taught.

You're just proving the point about schools with lower standards comparing more favorably against those with increasing standards. Where would you rather send your kids?


Kieran brought up test scores, if you would just look at the quote. Bush put great effort into redoing Textbooks and Teaching standards in Texas. So, did he do a bad job and lie about it, or is the report bogus?
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« Reply #77 on: September 24, 2003, 05:52:27 PM »
I can tell ya why Cali got an A.

All they teach is so and so invented so and so on so and so date.  Hard to misrepresent dates and names.

OK, so its been 30+ years since I graduated HS, but thats how it was in my school as far as the text books went.  The teacher might go off on a tangent once in while, which was cool.

Here in Arkansas, there is a HS history teacher who is just off her rocker.  Gets events and dates wrong and mixed up and failed my wifes friends daughter on a few questions that were absolutely correct (IMO :p )

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« Reply #78 on: September 24, 2003, 05:54:56 PM »
Ok, but you were blaming Bush for Texas' low test scores. What low test scores?
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« Reply #79 on: September 24, 2003, 07:46:39 PM »
I'll try to un-muddy the water.

A state can try to improve things in the long haul by getting aggressive about standards. Doing so guarantees a certain percentage of students will fail state standardized tests (the tool by which a state will test standards) in the short term. This looks real bad in the news, and a state has to be ready to take some serious heat. OTOH, a state can lower standards and get more people to pass the test, which looks very good in the short term.

Of course Texas school officials can talk themselves blue in the face trying to explain why the scores are low- people aren't about to listen. Yet it is exactly what people say they want done.

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« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2003, 08:11:01 PM »
Maybe I misunderstood ya RPM, my mistake.

I think many Texans are willing to endure the stigma of lower statistics compared to the rest of the country, at least short term, if it means raising the standard of education long term.

What's the alternative? It would seem to be standards that spiral ever downward.
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« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2003, 09:15:28 AM »
Now most of us are starting to see eye to eye....

I would agree that the only sensible thing to do would be to make english the official language of every state.   The "second language" thing would hold no weight then.   This was the case with immigrants 50 or more years ago.    Face it... you can't teach or test in every possible language.   doing only a couple is worse discrimination than doing only one.

Make schools full time year round institutions.   The money saved and the more intensive teaching will increase scores.

face the facts that some people are not ready at this time to be in school.... they can leave and go back to school later when they are really ready.

Prisons and night schools have GED programs that have good graduation rates.
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