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23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« on: September 23, 2003, 08:52:54 AM »
http://www.edexcellence.net/socialstudies/Standards.html

Only 6 states earned an "A": Alabama, Arizona, California, Indiana, Massachusetts, New York.

One of the solutions in the report recommended is:
(that teachers) "Be balanced and free of overt or covert ideological agendas."...in other words, too much political correctness.

Gee, really? ;)
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Re: 23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2003, 09:02:45 AM »
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...in other words, too much political correctness.

Gee, really? ;)


That statement, with no other context could just as easliy mean that there is too little PC.

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Re: 23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2003, 09:11:32 AM »
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Only 5 states earned an "A": Alabama, Arizona, California, Indiana, Massachusetts, New York.
 


And Ripsnort gets an F in math :D

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Re: Re: 23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2003, 09:11:44 AM »
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That statement, with no other context could just as easliy mean that there is too little PC.

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Actually, on our local news, is *was* reported that  there was too much PC.

Read the report...
One of the weakest state US history standards characteristically is "Substitute wishful thinking or politically correct ideology for factual accuracy"
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Re: 23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2003, 09:12:13 AM »
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Only 5 states earned an "A": Alabama, Arizona, California, Indiana, Massachusetts, New York.


Yo Riptard I counted 6 States.....  :rofl

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Re: Re: 23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2003, 09:12:17 AM »
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And Ripsnort gets an F in math :D


LOL yep! (big fingers)

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2003, 09:23:42 AM »
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Read the report...


wich is why I said "with no other context"

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2003, 09:28:04 AM »
"Substitute wishful thinking or politically correct ideology for factual accuracy"

23 states AND the District of Columbia.   :)
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2003, 09:28:55 AM »
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"Substitute wishful thinking or politically correct ideology for factual accuracy"

23 states AND the District of Columbia.   :)


Tsk tsk, no comment on the report though, eh  popeye?

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2003, 09:32:09 AM »
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Actually, on our local news, is *was* reported that there was too much PC.


This sentence made me laugh out loud because it makes no sense haha.

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23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2003, 09:32:39 AM »
so where is our education "at any cost"? or health care blah blah blah ... this country is fek'd up

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2003, 09:35:08 AM »
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so where is our education "at any cost"? or health care blah blah blah ... this country is fek'd up


Nor did this one David...:rofl

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Re: Re: Re: 23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2003, 09:49:08 AM »
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One of the weakest state US history standards characteristically is "Substitute wishful thinking or politically correct ideology for factual accuracy"


LOL!

It's not a "state" problem, it's a world wide problem.

Just read this BBS!


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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2003, 09:53:27 AM »
Since I don't claim to be an expert in such matters, I can't comment on the study, but here's someone who did:

"The Fordham Foundation has produced system for rating states’ standards, the validity of which is not at all obvious. The procedures for determining the rankings are unclear and, therefore, difficult to replicate. The qualifications of the "experts" whose expertise was used in some unspecified way is questionable. If the system had some immediately obvious merit, these objections would be of no import. When one looks, however, at the most immediately obvious place for validating the system – the academic performance of the states – one finds absolutely no correlation. States with well received standards score low, states labeled as "irresponsible" because of their "lousy" standards score high. Taking this report seriously could well lead reformers down blind alleys or toward questionable ends."

http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/CERAI/documents/archives/00/cerai-00-07.htm

Who's correct?  Dang if I know....
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2003, 09:58:55 AM »
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Since I don't claim to be an expert in such matters, I can't comment on the study, but here's someone who did:

"The Fordham Foundation has produced system for rating states’ standards, the validity of which is not at all obvious. The procedures for determining the rankings are unclear and, therefore, difficult to replicate. The qualifications of the "experts" whose expertise was used in some unspecified way is questionable. If the system had some immediately obvious merit, these objections would be of no import. When one looks, however, at the most immediately obvious place for validating the system – the academic performance of the states – one finds absolutely no correlation. States with well received standards score low, states labeled as "irresponsible" because of their "lousy" standards score high. Taking this report seriously could well lead reformers down blind alleys or toward questionable ends."

http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/CERAI/documents/archives/00/cerai-00-07.htm

Who's correct?  Dang if I know....


Uh huh, discredit the report...thats a familiar tactic.