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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2003, 10:35:06 AM »
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Name an example of a "young"(i guess on these boards between the ages for 20-30) poster being to PC when it comes to history rip.

Personally i see older posters makeing ignorant statements that america has clean hands and has always made the right decisions throughout its history.


Your vision is that of young and dumb, since you focus on one issue of history, maybe two..

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2003, 10:35:14 AM »
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 Denial is a one way conversation...


Indeed. And I don't think I can hold up both ends of this one any more.

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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2003, 10:36:34 AM »
I asked for examples of posters being to PC when it comes to history ripsnort. Or are you just going to continue to make ignorant statements without backing them up.

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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2003, 10:37:40 AM »
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How did you deduct that? I see it constantly in day to day life. Why wouldn't it be in the schools?


You misunderstood me.  I'm saying that the validity of the report itself does not boil down to issues of political correctness but rather issues of poor methods.  That's not to say that political correctness does not pervade society or schools... maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  However, without a clear procedure for grading based on some sort of revealed criteria, the study's results remain highly suspect no matter how you feel about them.

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2003, 10:37:46 AM »
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I asked for examples of posters being to PC when it comes to history ripsnort. Or are you just going to continue to make ignorant statements without backing them up.


Its been sewn into the very fabric of our political garments that the thread is very hard to detect, but its there...

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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2003, 10:38:38 AM »
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You misunderstood me.  I'm saying that the validity of the report itself does not boil down to issues of political correctness but rather issues of poor methods.  That's not to say that political correctness does not pervade society or schools... maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  However, without a clear procedure for grading based on some sort of revealed criteria, the study's results remain highly suspect no matter how you feel about them.

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Ah, yes, I did misunderstand. Good clarification...me being a "slow farm boy" and all ;) Thks.

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2003, 10:46:15 AM »
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I asked for examples of posters being to PC when it comes to history ripsnort. Or are you just going to continue to make ignorant statements without backing them up.

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2003, 10:51:05 AM »
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If their "results" were based on state findings rather than their own standardized testing then they are without merit. Just as popeye posted, many states have low standards resulting in higher standings when compared with states with higher standards.

Texas has been fighting an uphill battle to raise academic standards over the last few years. It hasn't been easy going, lotta opposition.


the TAAS is horrible, if that's what your refering too ... it's too easy for some .. a damn joke(for me) .. and downright impossible for others.... i.e. un-english speaking mexicans...    There are school districts that spend almost thier entire time teaching this TAAS test; In acutuallty these tests take away from education IMO and many elementy school teachers i know (my Mom, her freinds & freinds my age just getting into teaching)

would you deny them at the very least a highschool education degree- if they can get through the classes?  We have college and grad schools for a reason....  

My high school was mostly a waste of time IMO- but for some kids it might be all they get... and forceing them to goto school just to fail them like this seems wrong.  Plus, like i said .. the curicculim ends up being the Test in some places... that's just stupid.

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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2003, 10:52:13 AM »
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Do a search on "political correctness" or "PC", you'll find many examples on this BBS.  If you need help using the search engine, let me know.

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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2003, 10:53:17 AM »
No, no, i want you to learn something, and actually spend some time backing up the bull**** that comes out of your mouth.

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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2003, 10:54:08 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2003, 10:56:38 AM »
Went back and read the report. Was originally under the false assumption that this report graded how well children learned US history in the various states. It doesn't. It grades the states on how closely they teach US History according to Dr. Stern.

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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2003, 10:57:24 AM »
Its a crappy study with questionable standards. Typical ripsnort post material.

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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2003, 11:02:02 AM »
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You misunderstood me.  I'm saying that the validity of the report itself does not boil down to issues of political correctness but rather issues of poor methods.  That's not to say that political correctness does not pervade society or schools... maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  However, without a clear procedure for grading based on some sort of revealed criteria, the study's results remain highly suspect no matter how you feel about them.

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This is absolutely true, and the frustrating thing about such "reports"... they are often given credibility they so clearly don't deserve, and do nothing but muddy the water.



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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2003, 11:15:19 AM »
Manedew, you hit on some good points.

Standardized tests have backfired in many ways... schools have no choice but to teach for the test. If they don't, they will be maligned by every political opponent, parent, you name it. If schools do teach to the test, they begin to limit students to the content of the tests. In our state, this means math and reading concerns will supercede by far any other concern. That can be a bad thing if your career interest lays outside those two areas.

It's worse than that though. With "No Child Left Behind" mandates, schools are forced to teach to the middle, or even bottom of the class in order to ensure as many people pass as possible. This is great for the lower end, but a disaster for the upper end. Once again, it becomes a built-in governing device that retards possibilities on the upper end.

If I were king... ah... take the Texas example. No way, NO WAY should english-speaking students be held back (so to speak) by non-english speaking people. English is the official language of the country, it is essential our citizens speak it, period. There should be alternative schools (Read: "Spanish-speaking", PC be damned) that teach in spanish, but with a heavy emphasis on learning english. I don't care it is segregationist; the current system of dumbing down our education to pull up the students years behind for one reason or another isn't ever going to work. It's time to face up to that reality.

We cannot compete with students from other countries because we are scared to death one of our kids might fail in school. Other countries have no such compunction, and will freely allow students to wash out. Until we wake up and realize some kids ARE going to fail despite our best intentions and once again gear our schools to challenge students at ALL levels, we cannot hope to compete with any country anywhere.*

*steps off the well-worn soapbox.