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Offline Batz

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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2003, 03:06:49 PM »
http://www.losaltosonline.com/articles/2003/09/23/news/community/news01.txt

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What do you think of General Wesley Clark and would you support him as a presidential candidate," was the question put to him by moderator Dick Henning, assuming that all military men stood in support of each other. General Shelton took a drink of water and Henning said, "I noticed you took a drink on that one!"

"That question makes me wish it were vodka," said Shelton. "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."


'Ole Wes is from Arkansas sho' nuff.......

You may end up being better off with Rev. Al

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2003, 03:13:22 PM »
dittoheads coming out of the woodwork to defend fat boy lol. Megadittoes!!  THey have their work cut out for them, as it isnt hard to debunk mr. "my football knee/er I mean the cyst on my bellybutton made me 4-f"

  Rush isnt fit to polish Clark's boots, (not that he would know how) and that goes for the rest of the draft dodging chickenhawks, bushie jr included.  No shortage of hypocrisy from the right, as usual

but thats just one man's opinion.  carry on.

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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2003, 03:14:07 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
I'm having trouble seeing how saying "he's full of ****"  is some sort of debate coup.    

Don't listen to rush but if the frog boy thinks he lies about everything then he might be worth listening to.
lazs


Solid point

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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2003, 03:14:56 PM »
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Originally posted by AKIron


That's pretty weak. Just because Rush didn't back up his claim doesn't debunk it.  


Well, Ted Kennedy has said some pretty provactive things recently but because he hasn't backed up his statements with hard facts yet it could be said that his statements haven't been debunked.

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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2003, 03:18:31 PM »
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Originally posted by MrLars
Well, Ted Kennedy has said some pretty provactive things recently but because he hasn't backed up his statements with hard facts yet it could be said that his statements haven't been debunked.



The fact that kenedy spoke them is reason enough to debunk them.

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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2003, 03:26:50 PM »
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Originally posted by Batz
http://www.losaltosonline.com/articles/2003/09/23/news/community/news01.txt

 

'Ole Wes is from Arkansas sho' nuff.......

You may end up being better off with Rev. Al


A response, not mine but I agree with it, from another supporter...


The Federation of American Scientists did a complete workup in 1999 on the Kosovo war, and their general opinion was:

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General Wesley Clark has been NATO's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe since July 1997. In that capacity, he was responsible for conducting the western alliance's successful 78-day air campaign against Serb forces in Kosovo - NATO's only offensive military endeavor in its 50-year history. Retired Colonel David Hackworth - a decorated U-S veteran from the Korean and Vietnam wars - says General Clark has not received the necessary accolades for his Kosovo campaign. /// HACKWORTH ACT /// He is a winner. He is the first General in U-S military history who fought a war, sustained - as we know - no friendly casualties and at the end of the war didn't get a bunch of medals, didn't get a victory parade down (New York's) Fifth Avenue and ended up getting the sack. (getting fired)

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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/docs99/990804-kosovo01.htm

I strongly suggest reading the entire page and one can see the political manipulation and the disagreements (say: HONEST ASSESSMENT) that General Clark had with DEFENSE on the use of Ground Troops.

This, against comments of a Bush supporting General Shelton, who is one of the authors of the Iraq Quagmire?

PLEASE choose something real to bash on, and consider this item DEBUNKED.

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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2003, 03:27:28 PM »
I doubt that Clark will have the stomach for no-holds-barred politics. His political background was in an environment in which  open mud slinging and blatant lying were rarely if ever tolerated. Guess time will tell.
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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2003, 03:41:28 PM »
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Originally posted by Udie
The fact that kenedy spoke them is reason enough to debunk them.


Which brings us full circle, replace your misspelling of Kennedy with Limbaugh and we're back at ground zero on this matter.

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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2003, 03:46:34 PM »
Except that no one here claimed that anyone had debunked Kennedy. You were saying that Limbaugh had been debunked.

Oh well, not worth belaboring the point.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2003, 04:13:37 PM »
That photo has been effectively debunked... find something significant. (for details read the last thread containing this kaka).

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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2003, 04:14:13 PM »
You havent "debunked" a thing. Clark is an opportunist. Read what Toad's quote he flip flopped all over whetehr he would have voted for the resolution authorizing President Bush to use force in Iraq. Shelton may or may not be a Bush Supporter but he would know more then you.

Clark isnt a threat to Bush, he wont even get the nomination. The Clintons pushed him out there to get him out of the way in 2008.

Hes lied about the "came from the white house" crap and already has known "character and integrity" issues. He lied about Bush trying to get him fired from CNN. Feel free to hitch your wagon to that horse. Sounds like you know how to pick a winner.

Retired Colonel David Hackworth  says Clark didnt get what he deserved over Kosovo :rolleyes:

Your own link says he wanted a more "vigorous military campaign" against the Serbs. They also say thats why Cohen fired him. Then you say he should be credited with the "less vigorus" air campaign.

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Retired Colonel Dan Smith - a West Point classmate of
General Clark - says the NATO Commander believes the
only way you can achieve success militarily, is to
have troops on the ground.


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/// CLARK ACT ///

      He is of the school which in the United States
      is generally attributed to General Colin Powell:
      if you are going to fight, you go in with both
      feet and you go in fast and you go in hard with
      overwhelming force - and I think that was what
      Wes was trying to push NATO into.

            /// END ACT ///


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During the 11-week air campaign, there were signs of
friction between General Clark and senior Pentagon
officials - especially over the use of ground forces.
That option was essentially rejected by the Clinton
administration, putting General Clark in direct
opposition to current US policy.

Paul Beaver - senior analyst with the British
publication "Jane's Defense Weekly" - says General
Clark disagreed with another senior NATO officer about
the use of ground troops in the Kosovo campaign.

            /// BEAVER ACT ///

      Certainly he wanted to be more robust in the
      Kosovo landing operation. He wanted to go and
      confront the Russians at Pristina airfield. And
      that was actually a matter of some debate
      between him and the ground force commander
      (British General) Sir Mike Jackson in which Sir
      Mike Jackson won, because in his words it would
      have started World War Three and we weren't
      quite ready for that.

            /// END ACT ///


Sounds like it was Pentagon that should recieve the credit for Kosovo.

Sounds like you would make a fine dem candidate, are you from Arkansas?

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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2003, 04:22:03 PM »
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Debunk this...



Excellent point.  It is one thing to meet with an evil man, but exchanging hats?  That's just inexcusable!

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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2003, 04:26:14 PM »
Oh great, thats just what we need...a president with a potty mouth. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

But hey, Clinton, Kennedy, Roosevelt set the standard for the degradation of our highest office in the land so why the hell not!

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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2003, 04:50:12 PM »
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Oh great, thats just what we need...a president with a potty mouth. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


It's funny that you mention that.  Tucker Carlson, the well known bow-tied liberal (haha no), recently gave an interview explaining how he was ostracized by the Bush-ites during the presidential campaign.  Carlson interviewed Bush, reported specific instances of Bush's crassness and public vulgarity, and quickly found himself the focus of the Republican firing squad in the form of Karen Hughes.  That is just hilarious!  Carlson comes across as an arrogant, constantly smirking liar on Crossfire (much like Bush), but maybe he's not so bad after all.

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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2003, 04:51:45 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Oh great, thats just what we need...a president with a potty mouth. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

But hey, Clinton, Kennedy, Roosevelt set the standard for the degradation of our highest office in the land so why the hell not!


I guess you aren't old enough to remember the Watergate tapes... Nixon invented the term.. "Expletive Deleted"