Author Topic: Israeli pilots refuse airstrikes (Read 1286 times)

lord dolf vader · « **on:** September 24, 2003, 07:18:04 PM »

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7368531%255E401,00.html

wow public dissent and refusal of orders from a large group of pilots in the israeli airforce.

never thought id live to see that, these guys are heros over there.

Tarmac · « **Reply #1 on:** September 24, 2003, 07:39:07 PM »

Maybe there is hope for the whole mess.

Then again, now we just need suicide bombers to refuse to target innocent civilians... not likely.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** September 24, 2003, 07:42:54 PM »

I like the sentiment - sometimes I wish WW1 could have ended with the guys in the trenches on both sides just saying fck it this is pointless and all going home en masse - however I have some doubt that hamas lunatics will respond in kind to this approach. Remember they are dedicated to destrying Israel no matter what. So in the balance it's an admirable idea but unfortunately a futile one. The killing will go on....

ra · « **Reply #3 on:** September 24, 2003, 08:23:03 PM »

Now if some suicide bombers would refuse to blow up civilians there would be hope. What would happen to a suicide bomber who declared that it is immoral to target children?

ra

Tarmac already made this point

Animal · « **Reply #4 on:** September 24, 2003, 08:33:18 PM »

I admire their choice. Pretty ballsy on their part.

Their attacks were more devastating than suicide bombers - and they did survive to do it again and again.

Fighter pilots are revered in Israel just like suicide bombers are by the Palestinians.
If the politicians refuse to end the bloodshed, maybe the people will.

Maverick · « **Reply #5 on:** September 24, 2003, 08:38:10 PM »

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Originally posted by ra
Now if some suicide bombers would refuse to blow up civilians there would be hope. What would happen to a suicide bomber who declared that it is immoral to target children?

ra

Tarmac already made this point

He (or she) would likely get very dead very soon. They would then be "packaged" with explosives and detonated and claimed as another glorious martyr. A dead martyr becomes very usefull for their political aims.

It would be nice if hamas and all the other terrorist organizations suddenly declared peace and walked off of the job. It won't happen but it would e nice.

medicboy · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2003, 08:44:30 PM »

What if this is a ploy by the Isralies, the political approach wont work so they order pilots to refuse air strikes to make it look like the jewish people want peace not just the leaders. Either way it is a noble idea, but a futal one. Like I said before terrorist only understand one thing and that is war, they wil continue to kill innocent men women and children, Isreil will strike back.

Gunthr · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2003, 09:22:30 PM »

I take it at face value. It is no stretch for me to believe that Israili pilots are sick at the targets knowing civilians will probably die.

Just think about it.

No judgements here.

I just wonder, how else do you fight a war like this?

rpm · « **Reply #8 on:** September 24, 2003, 09:29:52 PM »

This is the first positive thing to come out of the Middle East in a long, long time. Let's hope the Palestinian's make a similar move.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2003, 09:31:16 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Let's hope the Palestinian's make a similar move.

Thats all it would ever take..

medicboy · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2003, 11:33:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
I take it at face value. It is no stretch for me to believe that Israili pilots are sick at the targets knowing civilians will probably die.

Just think about it.

No judgements here.

I just wonder, how else do you fight a war like this?

I didn't mean it as a slam against the pilots, what I meant is what if the Israeli leaders thought of it first because they were sick of hitting targets in civilian areas and wanted a noble way out. I guess it is kind of pointless either way.

The only other way you fight a war like this is to completely defeat your enemy, no survivors.

ra · « **Reply #11 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:40:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Animal
I admire their choice. Pretty ballsy on their part.

Their attacks were more devastating than suicide bombers - and they did survive to do it again and again.

Fighter pilots are revered in Israel just like suicide bombers are by the Palestinians.
If the politicians refuse to end the bloodshed, maybe the people will.

You seem to think that there is an equivalence. The suicide bombers do not hide the fact that they don't want peace with Israel ever. If they had the firepower Israel has they would not hesitate one minute to use it, and any civilian casualities would be entirely deliberate. Pretending that this conflict exists only because neither side has the political will to find a peaceful solution is fantasy.

ra

straffo · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:01:26 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I like the sentiment - sometimes I wish WW1 could have ended with the guys in the trenches on both sides just saying fck it this is pointless and all going home en masse - however I have some doubt that hamas lunatics will respond in kind to this approach. Remember they are dedicated to destrying Israel no matter what. So in the balance it's an admirable idea but unfortunately a futile one. The killing will go on....

some tried , but they did not make home

muckmaw · « **Reply #13 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:03:26 AM »

Terrorist groups like Hammas and Hizbollah have one objective; to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Other groups, like Al Quaida, it's been alleged, will not be satisfied until the ENTIRE WORLD converts to Islam, and those who do not are destroyed.

You cannot reason with terrorists because they are Fanatics with unattainable goals.

I would tend to think, also that anyone who volunteers to be "Martyrs" is not going to start suddenly thinking rationally, and caring about innocents. To these people, unless you are a muslim, you are an enemy.

Of course, this is not the case with mainstream Islam. Like any religion, Islam has it's share of extremists.

LePaul · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:33:29 AM »

Interesting read

Now if Arafat would go away...he's the single biggest obstacle to peace down there.