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Offline Rude

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« on: September 25, 2003, 08:58:00 AM »
Strange that only bad things happen there....and don't tell me otherwise, because I watch the news and read the internet.

Offline Mickey1992

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2003, 09:01:13 AM »
Watch your local news.  Do you see car wrecks, murders, robberies, etc ........ or do you see weddings, Suzie's A+ report card, Mrs. Johnson's flower garden, and puppies?

Same thing in Iraq.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2003, 09:09:04 AM »
I saw an interview with an Iraqi man who was concerned about industry and his family.  Being that everything was state run the manufacturing business that he worked for (I don’t remember what it was) had outdated equipment and supplies.

Although they have returned to work it is only a half day and they all realize that their jobs are in danger because soon they will not be able to compete when new factories are built with updated equipment.  All part of the growing pains he said.

They followed him home and filmed him praying and playing with his family.  After a short narration they started translating what he was saying specifically.  It was very intelligent and made a lot of sense.  It was something like this:

“The Iraqi people are like small children with the coalition as parents.  The children want everything from everyone now and throw tantrums when they don’t get it.  It is not until the children become adults that they realize how much their parents did for them.  The Iraqi people are much the same.  There will continue to be anger and impatience until the people of Iraq can stand for themselves.”

That’s about as close as I can remember it.  Makes a whole lot of sense to me, we’re Americans so we should be able to wave a magic wand and correct anything in the wave of a hand.  It doesn’t work that way and it’s hard to be patient when there is so much that you want.

That’s been about the only positive thing that I’ve seen in the media so far.

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2003, 09:25:09 AM »
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Media: News outlets around the country continue to report on Iraq in ways that make the situation there look grim, like a fiasco, a quagmire. It ain't so.
But please, don't take our word for it. Just listen to those who have actually been there and are now reporting back, getting around the major media's filter on the news.
Just last week, a bipartisan House Armed Services group returned from a fact-finding trip to Iraq. The congressmen concluded the American media are systematically distorting the news from Iraq, exaggerating the bad, ignoring the good.
Typical was this, from Democrat Ike Skelton of Missouri: "The media stresses the wounds, the injuries and the deaths, as they should, but for instance in Northern Iraq, Gen. (Dave) Petraeus has 3,100 projects — from soccer fields to schools to refineries — all good stuff, and that isn't being reported."
Rep. Joe Wilson, a Republican from South Carolina who himself previously worked as a reporter, was also taken aback.
He cited what he called a "hysterical" account on CBS radio of an attack that led to three deaths: "The media portrayed it as an act of sophistication and a regrouping of Saddam's forces, when, in fact, it's an indication of disorganization and desperation."
Jim Marshall of Georgia, another Democrat and a Vietnam veteran, was so angered by what he saw, he penned an editorial when he returned. Today, IBD runs it.
Of course, as anyone in the media will tell you, bad news sells; good news doesn't. Sadly, that's true. But it goes deeper than that.
"There is corruption in our business," wrote John Burns, a New York Times correspondent in Iraq, who took the media to task for their failure in a scathing piece in Editor & Publisher. "We need to get back to basics."
Others who have been to Iraq have similar conclusions. Federal Judge Dan Walters, a Democrat appointee who traveled to Iraq to help reform that nation's legal system, noted, "We are not getting the whole truth from the news media."
We've said it before — we're not Pollyannas. But we've noticed a consistency to the reports we read of people who return from Iraq and say pretty much the same thing. Things there are far better than is being reported.
It's all over the Web, if you care to look.
Average soldiers, writing home, paint a much different picture than the media about what's happened. Like this from Art Messer, a Navy Seabee in Iraq, at sfft.org: "I can honestly say 98% of the population of Iraq loves us and they do not want us to leave — ever!"
Yes, we know people — Americans too — are still dying. There's disorder in some areas. Infrastructure needs to be rebuilt.
But Iraq is far better off today than it was a year ago. By any measure. And the people there, by and large, are happy we're there.
Again, that's not us talking — it's the Iraqis themselves. In a Gallup Poll released Wednesday, 67% of those living in Baghdad say they're glad Saddam is gone, even after recent hardships. And two-thirds expect things to be much better in five years.
Americans have much riding on this war on terror. They need the truth — facts and honest analysis, not bias and cant.
Anything less than that is a disservice to Iraq's nascent democracy. And to ours.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2003, 09:31:17 AM »
from what I see on the news, Los Angeles is very violent.  Many die.  

I shouldnt go there.

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2003, 09:57:27 AM »
I've said it before, I'll say it again...

The Media has a liberal bias, especially on Iraq. What's scary is one industry grou, one small portion of our country has the power to influence the '04 election.

The media is out to crucify Bush, and the American public is believing it. Why the animosty? Do the dems still feel the '00 election was stolen from them?

Regardless, some quotes I liked from an excellent article:

Democrat Ike Skelton of Missouri: "The media stresses the wounds, the injuries and the deaths, as they should, but for instance in Northern Iraq, Gen. (Dave) Petraeus has 3,100 projects — from soccer fields to schools to refineries — all good stuff, and that isn't being reported."

THE MEDIA STRESSES THE DEATHS AS THEY SHOULD??? Why? How about giving a fair report of the situation without stressing anything? Let us make up our own minds.

Federal Judge Dan Walters, a Democrat appointee who traveled to Iraq to help reform that nation's legal system, noted, "We are not getting the whole truth from the news media."[.B]

Art Messer, a Navy Seabee in Iraq, at sfft.org: "I can honestly say 98% of the population of Iraq loves us and they do not want us to leave — ever!"

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2003, 10:03:27 AM »
Seems to me you're as desperate to believe it is all good as those who are desperate to believe it is all bad.

Perhaps, just maybe, it isn't all Mary Poppins? Ever thought to consider that before launching into tired old, black (eye-in-the-sky) helicopter theories about 'liberal' bias?
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2003, 10:12:55 AM »
They like to blame the liberal media, it feeds their agenda. The truth is when you watch your local news, you hear all the bad things, like people getting shot, car accidents, etc. You don't see a baby being born as the top story. But i'm sure it's the liberal media.

BTW saw on the news that the Iraqi police force is starting to get organised and looting is down.......damn liberals.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2003, 10:14:23 AM »
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Art Messer, a Navy Seabee in Iraq, at sfft.org: "I can honestly say 98% of the population of Iraq loves us and they do not want us to leave — ever!"


My, Art Messer sure is a busy little beaver if he's found time to speak with 98% of the Iraqi population.  ;)

Maybe we should also ask him where all those nasty WMD are hidden as well, since he's covered so much ground interviewing 98% of the Iraqi people?

The "liberal bias" in the media myth is becoming Paul Bunyan-like in stature.

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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2003, 10:20:41 AM »
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Seems to me you're as desperate to believe it is all good as those who are desperate to believe it is all bad.

Perhaps, just maybe, it isn't all Mary Poppins? Ever thought to consider that before launching into tired old, black (eye-in-the-sky) helicopter theories about 'liberal' bias?


You never fail Dowding....obviously armed with what you deem as intellect, you take from a topic what pleases you and leave the rest as fodder.

What was said here is not that the Iraq experience is void of pain and death, but rather the same may be just part of the story...perhaps a smaller part than would please you and your negative outlook.

Nothing in life is all good....that realization requires no intellect, just some common sense. The fact that you would say such a thing only shows me your true colors....you no sooner have a sincere desire for the truth than you have a desire to see the US effort succeed in Iraq.

To be as negative and bitter as you are at such a young age is sad....I'm older and have lived much of what you read about...I have hope for a better future for all of us....the difference between you and I is that I realize it is not free...it will require the sacrifice of human life, money and time....wise up....the media serves itself, not us.

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2003, 10:23:04 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding
Seems to me you're as desperate to believe it is all good as those who are desperate to believe it is all bad.

Perhaps, just maybe, it isn't all Mary Poppins? Ever thought to consider that before launching into tired old, black (eye-in-the-sky) helicopter theories about 'liberal' bias?


Dowding, if you knew anything about me, which you don't you'd know I'm just desperate for the truth. A persons party affiliation has nothing to do with my judgement. I call them as I see them.

Watch. Ready this may throw you. It's call free thinking.

I agree with Ted Kennedy. We should have a general timeline as to our extrication of Iraq.

Why? It's reasonable. It makes sense. It matter not to me which side of the aisle ole' Ted sits on. You should try it sometime.

So I guess the Liberal Media is a myth. What's next? There is no Liberal domination of Academia? Fox News really is fair and balanced? Rush is open minded? Hillary is hot?:rolleyes:

(On a side note, she's not hot, but for some reason, I'd bang her stuppid.)

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2003, 10:27:41 AM »
Rush jinxed my Patriots, picked them for the superbowl, now they are dropping like flies. We are calling in Doogie Howser. Our state now has a shortage of plaster for casts. Just for that i'm predicting Bush to win for pres, take that!!
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2003, 10:47:54 AM »
You resort to personal attack without fail yet still think you smell of roses, Rude. Sorry, but I'm not convinced. You hold yourself up as some kind of fountain of knowledge - I think I'll pass.

Muckmaw - you want the truth, as do all of us. Yet for some reason you are convinced that the bias in the news is 'liberal' in origin. Why is that? Newspapers, news stations all go for the juiciest story, the most dramatic pictures and footage - it has always been that way and it always will. It's not about ideology, it's about human nature. The media simply feeds that - some have agendas of their own, but to use coverall statements such as 'the media is all liberal' is simplistic at best.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2003, 10:54:38 AM »
You've got a point there, Dowding.

It may appear at this time, that the media is more liberal than ever, when they are simply being sensationalist, as they always have. They are simply reporting violence, and this time, it comes out against the Bush admin.

I'd like to see some examples from a source aside from Fox News that demonstrates the media's ability to be on the conservative side of a debate.

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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2003, 11:03:15 AM »
An over emphisis on bad news wouldn't surprise me. At the same time, the "liberal" media in the Pentagon and White House press corp (with the exception of Helen Thomas) refusing to ask too many tough (and potentially controversial) questions in the days leading up to the war - including the final press conference (where Ms. Thomas was excluded) - doesn't surprise me either.

Journalism at theat level is just as much an old boys club, don't rock the boat, Ivy League chum, watch out for my high profile high paying career game as anything else in Washington or corporate America. They actually tend to follow public opinion more than set it, and tend to be very lazy when covering issues. Let's get the "for" mouthpiece and the "against" mouthpice, let them have their say and call it balanced reporting, and not bother to see what the story really is that neither particularly wants the public to know about.

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