Author Topic: Audio of Lancaster under nightfighter attack (Read 5959 times)

Biggles · « **Reply #15 on:** September 26, 2003, 12:42:46 PM »

Even if it turned out it was a fake, it's PDC (uh, pretty damn cool).

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #16 on:** September 26, 2003, 01:13:39 PM »

CC Batz. Will search and report back to this post asap.

MRPLUTO

palef · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2003, 05:40:47 PM »

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Originally posted by wipass
It is a fake, undoubtedly

wipass

I tend to agree. Magnetic tape and magnetic wire recordings weren't in common use until after WWII. MOst Wartime and Pre-war recordings are brought to you by the magic of "ET" or "Electronic Transcription". This was essentially a 16" record (LP - remember them?) with a heavy aluminium disk as a backing plate.

The recording process required direct manual intervention as it essentially required an operator to run the cutting process as one would operate a lathe. I can't see the ET process producing something of this quality in a Lancaster bouncing around at 18k. Also the shavings produced were highly flammable - not something nice to have in an aircraft laden with bombs and fuel.

Also these "ET" recordings deteriorated badly after the 1st or 2nd playing due to the softness of the recording surface.

palef

SunKing · « **Reply #18 on:** September 26, 2003, 06:05:29 PM »

No way those two short bursts of BB's could drop a BF-110 !!!!

Seriously is it fake? they did a good job if it is.

TigerStolly · « **Reply #19 on:** September 26, 2003, 06:16:58 PM »

It may have been a wire recording, the BBC had a lot of wire recorders in WWII.

I know that aircraft of 100 Group did make audio recordings in flight of German fighter controllers and then play them back later that night to confuse the Germans.

So it was done, and therefore it can't be ruled out that this recording was technically possible.

We also have not answered the biggest question. If it is a fake, then who and why ?

We have not proved it is a fake, but we cannot prove it is authentic either.

Wire recorders

Notice that thousands were made before during the war.

Wire recording conversion

Its a trivial thing to get a wire recording digitised

Angus · « **Reply #20 on:** September 26, 2003, 08:17:59 PM »

WW2 was a while ago, but not in the stone age.
Audio recording in a plane was just as possible as it was anywhere else, and so was even colour filming WITH audio. Did anyone see that bomber mission in colour, , - - now what was its name again....

F4i · « **Reply #21 on:** September 26, 2003, 08:47:24 PM »

I think it's real, and I loved the recording.

Thanks for posting it up. Added the file to my library.

F4i

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #22 on:** September 26, 2003, 09:41:51 PM »

Angus--

You must mean "Memphis Belle".

*******

Sunking--

Sure the two bursts (one long, one short) could have brought down a 110...at night the combat ranges were very close. That 110 was probably only between 30 and 70 yds away.

MRPLUTO

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #23 on:** September 26, 2003, 09:52:37 PM »

I had a friend of mine who is knowledgable in the fields of WW2 and sound recording, as well as creative work listen to this "Lancaster Under Attack". He used exactly the right word to describe why he believed the recording was genuine: verisimilitude. To recreate something so genuine sounding in a studio with actors and sound effects is extremely difficult. It would have been easier to put a recording device on a bomber.

My friend suggested this could be hiding somewhere in the sound archives of the BBC.

MRPLUTO

Batz · « **Reply #24 on:** September 26, 2003, 10:39:50 PM »

bs, that is as fake as it can be. You can chose not to believe it but dont make excuses as to why its "real".

You hear guns firing but not the eng? you believe that?

This thing is old and has beaten to death. Its not real. If you think that cant be made without a studio you are nuts. Theres lotsa 3 party audio for games like eaw and even il2 that sound about like that.

Batz · « **Reply #25 on:** September 26, 2003, 10:44:37 PM »

theres one real give away as well

bombadier?

Brits used "Bomb Aimer"

crew photo

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-heroes/lancaster_crew.htm

another

http://www.feltwellnorfolk.freeserve.co.uk/lancaster_crew.htm

another

http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/lancaircrew.html

Read through the photo captions. in all 3 the bombadier is listed as "bomb aimer".

Doctorr · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2003, 12:47:48 AM »

It sounds very realistic but on the other hand it's a too clean recording for a battle flight.

I strongly recommend on reading the book:

"COMBAT CREW" BY JOHN COMER- a dramatic story told by the flight engineer of a B17- from the day the crew was recruited until it managed to acomplish 25 missions and be sent back home.
Just reading the book lets one get the "feel " of the fear , the noise, the low temperatures at high alt ....
Amazing.
Doc

AHGOD · « **Reply #27 on:** September 27, 2003, 02:34:00 AM »

Somebody set up us the bomb?

davidpt40 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2003, 06:47:54 AM »

First off, why would someone make a fake recording of a Lancaster crew?

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theres one real give away as well

bombadier?

Brits used "Bomb Aimer"

Please....and I guess you think the term "skipper" was the official term for the pilot.

I've seen no one offer any evidence at all as to why this is a fake. Just because it doesn't sound like what you think it should sound like is no reason to cry fake.

Heres some evidence for it being real- If it were produced in a studio, I'm sure the studio would not have forgotten something as important as engine noise. But I imagine real lancaster intercomn systems were only sensitive to noises produced close to the microphone (human voice/machine guns).

Rutilant · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2003, 07:01:21 AM »

Makes sense to me, Davidpt, but then again i'm not one of the elite paranoid