Poverty up during Bush

[Malleus]

Growing gap between the classes, Frogman?

Bravo, I haven't heard it mentioned yet, and I agree with you.

If I read one more time how the AVERAGE single earner income is $60k I'm going to hurt someone til I find the people that make that.

I sure as hell don't, and I work a lot, AND make a good wage.

I THINK my wife and I together make $70k?

And that's with MASSIVE MASSIVE MASSIVE overtime. I work 80+ hours a week, she works 60+.

I am a Teamster, drive 18wheeler, deliver beer.

She makes submarines. My little iron worker, heh heh.

Now, those two jobs right there are prime, aren't they?

[Frogm4n]

The reason why my family does not believe in the darwinistic approach to economics has alot to do with what happened to them in the 1930s.
Family used to have a huge farm out in washington state, depression hit, lost farm to bank because a small load couldnt be paid. lost thousands of acres and cattle. Spent the next 6-7 years living in the gutter(no exageration) till FDR started investing in the infrastructure out west, which in turn created jobs. building dams roads etc.(employee's of boeing can thank the democrats, and yes your welcome) .

**** happens, and if you say worked in a factory that closed down and moved to mexico. Would you move halfway across the country leaving your family behind to work for 3 dollars less an hour putting up drywall udie?

I guess thats where facists and I differ. I think everyone has the potential to do well if given a fair chance. And thats why i believe in free college education and health care for anyone that wants to get it.  Not the strong shall survive mentality of a nazi.

[ra]

GScholtz, you have nothing to gloat over, our system works fine.  The poverty level doesn't count government assistance money.  People who fall below the poverty line qualify for food and rent subsidies.  Most poor people in America own cars, color tv's, etc.  Many even own homes.  If US poverty standards were applied to your country, probably 30% would fall below the poverty line.  Our poor people are fatter than our rich people, is that true in your utopia?

ra

[Frogm4n]

of course RA, but they are massivly in debt as well. Dont forget that. Oh and you would rather them have absolutely no government assistance. then we could watch them starve to death GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[Udie]

Originally posted by GScholz
Udie, you say these people did something wrong. I can buy that, but how can you as a society accept that more than 10% of your population suffer such consequences for their mistakes? Sure, people make mistakes here too as they inevitably do anywhere, but we don't just sit idly by and watch them suffer in poverty. Not one single individual in this country has so little money to make a living as that report stated. Less than $14,480 a year for a family of three? You got to be kidding me?! I simply can't understand how you as a society can let this happen, knowingly, and do nothing.

 I'm going to get fired if I get caught!  Here's the way I look at it.  If I feed a man a fish he's no longer hungry.  If I teach him to fish I've fed him for a lifetime.  That's the Christian model, and I buy in to it.  We don't sit by and watch them starve.  I'd venture to say that the poverty level (lifestyle) here in the US is 10 fold better than it is anywhere else in the world.  How many poor people do you know that have 3 tv's and a car?  I know a few.....  There are Federal, State and Local programs for the poor out the yazoo!   If I were poor? I'd go join the peace corps or freedom corps or army or 7-11.  I'd do just about anything to get back above the poverty level.

 If a family is only making 14k a year there is something wrong with them.  You can go cut lawns and make 40k a year, if you're willing to bust arse.  I know I watched my dad do it in the early 80's when Houston was hurting.  I can make 40k next year by coming and doing my job.  I can make close to 100k next year if I "moonlite" and do houseplans on the side.  It all depends on how lazy I'll be or not. Point is,  it's up to me to decide.  So if I bust my hump 9 hours a day at work and then another 4 hours at night at home and earn a lot of money do you think  I'm going to be happy with giving it to some lazy vagrant who's to stupid to go get a job flipping burgers or cutting grass or anything that would make money?  I can tell you with a resounding NO that wouldn't make me happy. And I'd be right because I'm an American and it's my right, at least for a little while longer anyway.


 I have to add.  Every so often I feel guilty about the guys standing on the corner begging (2 or 3 times a year usually).  So I'll give in and "donate" 10 or 20 bucks.  I can count on one finger how many times I've been thanked.  It's the same with tax money, they demand more for this stuff and do nothing about it.  The people (ie. bums) don't thank anybody, they feel they are entitled, that's BS.  What would you do if I came into your house and started eating your food and sleeping with your wife?  Prolly about the same as I feel about my hard earned cash.


i gotta go.....

[Frogm4n]

actually udie it isnt the christian outlook. I was being sarcastic. Your not a true christian, but someone that follows a religion because he is scared what will happen when he dies.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
of course RA, but they are massivly in debt as well. Dont forget that. Oh and you would rather them have absolutely no government assistance. then we could watch them starve to death GOD BLESS AMERICA!

only half as the other half would eat them

[Udie]

Originally posted by Frogm4n

**** happens, and if you say worked in a factory that closed down and moved to mexico. Would you move halfway across the country leaving your family behind to work for 3 dollars less an hour putting up drywall udie?

 You know what?  If that's what I had to do for my family to survive, you betcha.  I'd flip burgers if I had to (done it!)  I'd do what ever it took to make sure my family was fed and housed.

 

I guess thats where facists and I differ. I think everyone has the potential to do well if given a fair chance. And thats why i believe in free college education and health care for anyone that wants to get it.  Not the strong shall survive mentality of a nazi.

oh now see there you go you silly communist.  You expect to be taken seriously calling me a facist and a nazi? Ignorant child, the nazi's were socialist, that make them closer to the dems not the republicans.   One day you'll grow up (maybe) and understand.

 and about your fair chance.  I had the same chance as anybody else.  I'm a high school and college drop out.  I function on an 8th or 9th grade education level.  I do engineering work.  I bust my hump.  I started with NOTHING and now I have $50k in debts  I'm living the American dream and I'm doing it mostly on my own terms.  You're ilk are too worried about blaming some one or something else for your problems instead of looking at the source and learning from mistakes and correcting them and GETTING ON WITH LIFE.  Understand any of that?

[Frogm4n]

udie nazi's were not socialist. Just because it was in the name does not believe they had socialist values. They believe in a pure strong shall survive society. Go read a book.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
gsholtz, just visit the states and go drive around the non suburb parts. The numbers sound right. But guess what the "average" income is increaseing! yAay.

so you

can just drive thru a neighborhood and tell who is poor and who is not?

profiler

[ra]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
of course RA, but they are massivly in debt as well. Dont forget that. Oh and you would rather them have absolutely no government assistance. then we could watch them starve to death GOD BLESS AMERICA!

I'd like to hear your explaination as to how poor people get in debt, nobody lends money to them.  

As far as government assistance, it should only go to the physically or mentally handicapped.  You would qualify.

ra

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
udie nazi's were not socialist. Just because it was in the name does not believe they had socialist values. They believe in a pure strong shall survive society. Go read a book.

go get a job and support yourself - let your parents off the hook -sonny

[Frogm4n]

Originally posted by Krusher
so you

can just drive thru a neighborhood and tell who is poor and who is not?

profiler

you dont even need to drive through the nieghborhood. just point it out on the map.

[Udie]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
actually udie it isnt the christian outlook. I was being sarcastic. Your not a true christian, but someone that follows a religion because he is scared what will happen when he dies.

 I am?  Gee I didn't realized I'd known you my whole life.  Son,  you know nothing about who I am and how I got to be who I am.  You're still young and full of yourself so I can understand your ignorance.  I just hope you don't let your ignorance foster into true stupidity, i fear it may be too late for you though.  


 Lizking has you pegged though,  you are definitely a child.


NOW I REALLY HAVE TO GO!!!!


IT's been fun I think it will be more fun at home tonight when I read this thread and see how badly you're about to get pWn3d

[Frogm4n]

ahh i see you have no idea how close your beliefs are to facism then udie. I understand mine are rooted in socialist values.