Author Topic: UBBERSPITFIRE and UBBERMUSTANG (Read 558 times)

Minotaur · « **on:** December 04, 1999, 08:59:00 PM »

Please; lets put all our ideas in this thread. I grow tired of reading negative comments regarding the above in just about every other thread.

Mino

ra · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 1999, 09:34:00 PM »

This thread is over modelled.

Swager · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 1999, 10:15:00 PM »

Talk to CW, who thinks the Spitfire is under-modeled.

Take That CW!!

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TT · « **Reply #3 on:** December 05, 1999, 03:08:00 AM »

P51. climbs like a ki84
top end like a 262
armor like a f4f
turns like a spit.
Its only saving grace is the relatively weak guns. Which is quickly made up for by being favored by gang bangers.

Spit. yes its overmodeled. but at least they stand and fight. And you can fly by yourself and have a fighting chance against the afore mentioned gang bangers.

[This message has been edited by TT (edited 12-05-1999).]

jmccaul · « **Reply #4 on:** December 05, 1999, 05:51:00 AM »

Bear in mind that it has been said that the FM is not complete but if you believe something is wrong don't shout out uberspit or ubermustang one just shot me down so they are overmodelled. Do some testing and clearly present your evidence.
When pyro sees "xxxxx is overmodelled" do you think he thinks "you know i think he/she is right" or "banana" (ps i use this word cause i hear you americans don't know what it means).

Anyway i hear that recently a flight magazine made a list of the top prop aircraft of WWII judged against certain catagorys and the p51 came 3rd so it should be pretty uber (the two planes that beat it aren't in this game.....yet)

leonid · « **Reply #5 on:** December 05, 1999, 08:28:00 AM »

The spit doesn't seem overmodelled to me. Should turn great - does. Climb great - does. Good acceleration - has it. A bit fragile - is. Nice top speed - has.

51's may be slightly overmodelled, but if so it's in the acceleration category. Its sustained climb is about right from the specs I've seen. Zoom climb is simply outrageous - and in RL it was. The ability to accelerate as fast as a spit at 10k with 100% fuel is what has me wondering, though.

I don't think it's so much that they're in the uber category as that a few planes are in the unter category. And you know what? Pyro said he'll look into it, because it does look suspect

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RichardDarkwood · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 1999, 09:12:00 AM »

*Yawn* Let's move on to something better, please.

-Pchr-

Westy · « **Reply #7 on:** December 05, 1999, 09:20:00 AM »

HEAD ONs.

and those that like using that skill-less cheap shot can kiss my arse.

-Westy

Fishu · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 1999, 10:10:00 AM »

Leonid: you forget that P-51 climbs like rocket too..

shower · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 1999, 09:28:00 PM »

i think the spit is ok but the 51 definitely is too good. when it's climbing with my clean 109 i really start to wonder.

-shower

leonid · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 1999, 03:19:00 AM »

fishu, i tested the 51's climb rate and it came smack dab in the middle of the two values i had from references.

i really think that the 109 is undermodelled, not the other way around.

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Pongo · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 1999, 09:06:00 AM »

I really wonder about the complaints about HOs. Plane A and his buddied get the advantage on Plane B. Plane B canot out turn or out run any of his adverserys. He has no time to patiantly try to get rear aspect kills on even one target little own 2-3. Only raw aggression can save him. I have often been in Plane Bs postion. There is a gang of Bish Ponys lead by Wardog I believe that have several times gotten me at a bad disadvantage. If given nothing else I will try to make them pay for it at least. Unforunalty Wardog is very deadly HO. But when you have a team of guys that work together well with all the advantages..what do you do Bail?

Westy · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 1999, 10:31:00 AM »

Well the I've since renounced my anti HO stance and am joining the rank of those who do it.
I know all about creatgin seperation on the merg and not going head to head. what happened that got my pressure up was a group of 4 P51's that decided they weould B&Z a 4 plane furball on the deck. It was me and another guy versus two enemy. We were turn fighting...till these four P51's would come swooping in for head on shots only.
Me and my wingy died of course.
Is it realistic? Yes. Headons occured. No. They didn't fight WWII on a computer in an arena where anyone can fly any plane.
It was the deliberate use of the Buzzstang head on maneuver that sucked.
Head ons are for rutabagas. I've decided to become a popsicle too.

-Westy

Lephturn · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 1999, 10:47:00 AM »

Please.. try to HO me. I love it. Every guy that tries to HO me I get angles and usually E on as well. Going for the HO for some is a good move... ie if they are out of options and/or have better guns, but it is a poor choice. I'll go low at the merge under the nose of a HO'er and then reverse upward smoothly. If the enemy tries to HO, he has to point his nose down.. and going low on the merge while I go up hands me all the advantages on a nice shiny platter.

Sure, sometimes I screw up my jinks or mis-time it and get hit, but I get tons of kills because some dweeb keeps trying to HO me and gives me the advantage. So fill your boots all of you HO dweebs, it makes it easier for me to kill ya!

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The Flying Pigs

Fishu · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 1999, 10:53:00 AM »

I am not talking of current Me109, I am talking of the desert 109, in earlier versions, which DID climb better.
nowadays 109 barely outclimbs light 190