Author Topic: Rush gets crucified by Sports press for McNabb comments (Read 2853 times)

gofaster · « **Reply #45 on:** October 01, 2003, 11:18:57 AM »

I keep thinking of Henry Gibson's "Illinois Nazi" character in "The Blues Brothers" movie.

Lance · « **Reply #46 on:** October 01, 2003, 11:25:31 AM »

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The league has been promoting minorities in every position of "leadership" including quarterback. The fact that you haven't seen it means you just haven't been paying attention.

I am now. Give me some sources to back up what you are saying, Minidick, and I'll be happy to change my mind.

Mini D · « **Reply #47 on:** October 01, 2003, 11:48:03 AM »

LOL! why the **** should I be citing "sources" to change your mind lance? It's not my job to educate you... just to laugh at you for being ignorant.

MiniD

Dinger · « **Reply #48 on:** October 01, 2003, 11:50:01 AM »

A) "The 'media' wants black coaches and QBs to succeed"
1) What media? Obviously Rush doesn't. He's applying his favorite straw man, the "liberal media", just as lefties apply "military-industrial complex". Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Rush uses "the media", he's referring to his doctrine that holds that baby-loving, recycling-freak, gun-hating, welfare feminists run the media and distort the image of the world we're receiving.
2) In spite of this, we can agree that many members of the media want them to succeed. Very few members of the media are left from the 'Good Ol' days' when it was praiseworthy to want black athletes to fail.

B) "McNabb is overrated."
No argument here. As I said before, just about every QB in the league is overrated; it's the nature of the media.

But, "B because of A" boils down to:
Black QBs and Coaches (and by the same logic blacks in other prominent positions across society) are overrated because all our sources of information about them are tainted.

Now, this is in a league where some ridiculous percentage of the athletes are black at every position except QB (and probably the kicker), and very few of the coaches are. And right MiniD, why should I cite sources either?

Oh and I think Madden said of Janikowksi, fresh from jail (or was it Romanowski?): "I don't care what he did, as a coach, you're going to find an excuse to get him on the field."

It comes down to how they play.

Fatty · « **Reply #49 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:09:44 PM »

Sources for entertainment news?

Do I next have to cite Entertainment Tonight for references to Angelina Jolie's vial of blood?

Despite the heartfelt editorials and posturing, sports reporting is an entertainment business in a symbiotic relationship with the leagues they cover. What is good for the NFL is good for sport news organizations.

McNabb is part of the group of NFL quarterbacks (including Brooks, McNair and Culpepper) that helped break the mold of "White athletes are smart, black athletes can run." Acknowledging that this is fact does not mean you think it's a bad thing or wish to turn back the clock. It's simply recognizing reality.

I'm not going to go back and dig up all the Doug Williams special features that were played over and over as these guys came out of college, if you don't remember them I'm going to have to side with MiniD, you're a twit.

Lance · « **Reply #50 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:11:20 PM »

Heh! Then we are back at square 1. You contend that the NFL has been driving teams to have black QB's, coaches, and owners for over a decade and I contend that you are full of ****. So far, you're only lending credence to the later.

Mini D · « **Reply #51 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:15:18 PM »

It was Romanowski after he broke a teamate's nose at practice. Madden said any coach will find an excuse to play a good player. What this matters is beyond me. Unless, that is, people were trying to say someone else in the same situation shouldn't be allowed to play.

BTW... nobody said black quarterbacks were overated dinger. Rush named one quarterback and I expanded it to two. Rush said McNabb being black had something to do with it... I tend to disagree and say it was more a physique thing going on. But I do agree that overating is occuring when it comes to McNabb.

As for coaches... it's pretty damn difficult to over/under rate them. The scoreboard tells the story. The sidelines tell the story.

Percentages is a pretty funny thing to bring up. It highlights something that even rush would agree with. If the percentages are off, you need to do whatever is necessary to adress the situation even comprimise. It really is just making an excuse that verifies Rush's statement above.

I'm not saying there isn't racism keeping blacks from certain positions in the NFL. I am saying there is a tendancy to highlight and even misrepresent some blacks that have made it in those positions because they are black in those positions. That is not helpfull.

It's odd... I don't much care for Rush and I don't necessarily agree with his assesment of McNabb (at least root cause). But I do find the over-reaction of the media to his comment to be quite supportive of his basic assesment.

MiniD

Fatty · « **Reply #52 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:15:20 PM »

You're right, my saying Detriot got fined for not interviewing minorities is invalid because I am not providing a source for it.

It's too much to expect you'd know that to be fact if you're posting in this thread.

AKIron · « **Reply #53 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:17:24 PM »

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Originally posted by k2cok
There is only one weazel, and he is much smarter and funnier than this guy - or you udie.

Weazel was, is, and will always be less than smart or funny.

AKIron · « **Reply #54 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:20:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
It's odd... I don't much care for Rush and I don't necessarily agree with his assesment of McNabb (at least root cause). But I do find the over-reaction of the media to his comment to be quite supportive of his basic assesment.

MiniD

I was thinking along the same lines. As well as how quickly some of those here that whined about free speech for the Dixie Chicks are ready to see Rush get canned.

Lance · « **Reply #55 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:53:13 PM »

Fathead, that rule is only a year old, and is already being broken. Even the teams that follow it are generally paying lip-service to a black candidate to avoid the fine. If the NFL owners are so intent on furthering this social agenda that MiniD says has been in existance since Jimmy the Greek made his comments, why on earth are they not following either the intent or letter of the rule that would directly promote such an agenda?

I agree that it is a stupid rule and never should have been enacted. But if that is all you have to support the idea that the NFL pushes blacks into leadership positions because of the color of their skin as opposed to their ability to help a team win, you are an idiot. Your Detroit Lions example only shows that owners are going to go with whoever they think gives them the best chance to succeed regardless of skin color, even at the expense of being fined.

Give me an instance of where a black QB, coach or owner was selected, hired, started, promoted or marketed because they are black and did not have the playing|coaching|financial merits to back it up. That is what you are saying the NFL has pushed its teams to do, I want an example of when it has happened.

That rule is there to placate blacks and ease criticism of the league. It is not there to promote a social agenda.

Fatty · « **Reply #56 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:55:22 PM »

Now you're really being a tard.

You're saying that because the NFL policy on promoting minorites doesn't work, saying they have a policy on promoting minorities is not true?

Lance · « **Reply #57 on:** October 01, 2003, 12:57:17 PM »

Ray Rhodes is a head coach where exactly?

Fatty · « **Reply #58 on:** October 01, 2003, 01:03:33 PM »

He got the job underqualified and had to be let go.

Do I need to provide a source for that too, or can you take my word for it that he was indeed at one time hired for a head coaching position.

I don't have a problem with Ray Rhodes being hired, even though he sucked worse than Shawn King as QB. I actually like the policy of requiring black candidates be interviewed even if they're not going to be hired, I just don't like the stigma on any discussion or even aknowledgement that there is a policy.

Lance · « **Reply #59 on:** October 01, 2003, 01:15:26 PM »

How was Ray Rhodes underqualified? He was a coordinator for a super bowl winner and hired as a head coach shortly thereafter, ala the current Patriots, Ravens and Raiders head coaches.

He had 2 head coaching stints, one in Philly and the other in Green Bay. He did decent to start in Philly, then was fired after a couple of bad seasons. Green Bay (the team he helped win a super bowl as an assistant) picked him up after Mike Holmgren left and he did crappy. He was fired pretty quickly there. He has not sniffed a head coaching gig since.

I don't see any racially-based promotion of this guy. Sure, he sucked, but I can see why he was given his two shots and it has nothing to do with him being black.