catalina andthe swordfish

[F4i]

Originally posted by Arlo
The MA is all you're interested in? Are you lost? (Rhetorical, relax)

  I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost.  We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me.  

TBone

[Arlo]

Originally posted by F4i
  I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost.  We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me.  

TBone

Ahhh ... again you didn't understand. That's ok. I didn't expect otherwise really.

"Aces High II: Tour of Duty
Discussion about the upcoming release of the next generation of Aces High."

General forum is one floor down. That way you're less likely to get all confused and distraught whenever someone suggests something that just plain don't make sense to you.

But good to meet ya, hope ya enjoyed the TOD forum.

[Slash27]

In AH the swordfish would be worst then dead meat.
It as weak defense.
Its toughness would be useless against CV ack.

Kind of like the B5N?  Bring on the Swordfish why the hell not?

[mistblade]

In AH the swordfish would be worst then dead meat.
It as weak defense.
Its toughness would be useless against CV ack.

Kind of like the B5N? Bring on the Swordfish why the hell not?
 
 
 Arlo quote:
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Originally posted by F4i
 I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost. We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me.  

TBone
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Ahhh ... again you didn't understand. That's ok. I didn't expect otherwise really.  

"Aces High II: Tour of Duty
Discussion about the upcoming release of the next generation of Aces High."

General forum is one floor down. That way you're less likely to get all confused and distraught whenever someone suggests something that just plain don't make sense to you.  

But good to meet ya, hope ya enjoyed the TOD forum.
 
 
 F4i quote:
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Originally posted by Arlo
The MA is all you're interested in? Are you lost? (Rhetorical, relax)  
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 I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost. We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me.  

TBone
 
 
 Arlo quote:
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Originally posted by F4i
No, let's just agree that I made a simple observation from the MA p.o.v. because MA is all I'm interested in, and you're irritated because your TOD arenas are still "2 weeks" away.  Don't worry, though...soon you will be able to have fun in your "immersion" style of play. Until then, you're stuck with the rest of us.  

TBolt
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The MA is all you're interested in? Are you lost? (Rhetorical, relax)  
 
 
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Originally posted by Arlo

Which is the same `ol tardument offered up whenever anyone suggests a plane that isn't as uber...it's just the MA tunnel-vision tardliness of your argument that was kind of an irresistable ..... "targut .... derrrr." But if you wanna try to make it fit within the TOD discussion of what would or wouldn't be cool to see someday... feel free to try.
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No, let's just agree that I made a simple observation from the MA p.o.v. because MA is all I'm interested in, and you're irritated because your TOD arenas are still "2 weeks" away.  Don't worry, though...soon you will be able to have fun in your "immersion" style of play. Until then, you're stuck with the rest of us.  

TBolt
 
 
 Arlo My bad ....

"slow sea planes ... derrrrr .... would just be ...... derrrrr ... another set of targets ..... derrrrr ..... for us to shoot down ..... derrrrr. and, the CV ack ...... derrrrrr ........ in AH ...... derrrrr ...... would rip 'em to shreds ....... derrrrrrr."

Which is the same `ol tardument offered up whenever anyone suggests a plane that isn't as uber as the top of the MA totem pole being an interesting addition. Some models don't need to surpass the 262 to be a valuable addition to the game. Not that the CAT is on the top of my personal list .... it's just the MA tunnel-vision tardliness of your argument that was kind of an irresistable ..... "targut .... derrrr." But if you wanna try to make it fit within the TOD discussion of what would or wouldn't be cool to see someday... feel free to try. Just please try harder.  
 
 
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Originally posted by Arlo
"we don't need targuts, derrrr" stuff?  
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You've misquoted me, Arlo. I never said, "we don't need targuts...." Nor, did I imply any such thing. I simply stated that these sea planes would obviously be easy targets (in the MA).

If you feel immersed in an aura of historical accuracy by being cannon fodder; then, by all means, fly the damn thing. But, don't change my comments for your own amusement, Arlo.

Do I think the sea plane could add value in other arenas? Sure.

TBolt
 
 
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Originally posted by mistblade
frist of all i dont read all of them
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Which is why I explained it to ya, misty.  
 
 
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Originally posted by F4i
someone bring up the subject of HO's so we can REALLY get this party started...  j/k

Arlo,
I understand your point regarding immersion and HTC's vision for AH2 TOD, but you don't have to be a condescending j3rk-0ff about it.  

TBolt
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If you understood then what was up with all that "we don't need targuts, derrrr" stuff?  
 
 
 F4i someone bring up the subject of HO's so we can REALLY get this party started...  j/k

Arlo,
I understand your point regarding immersion and HTC's vision for AH2 TOD, but you don't have to be a condescending j3rk-0ff about it.  

TBolt
 
 
 thrila Now this thread is starting to get mighty interesting...
 
 
 mistblade frist of all i dont read all of them
 
 
 Arlo Something tells me you don't quite understand the nature of these forums or threads in general, mist.

1: Forum closed?

2: Theads deviate all the time. At least a discussion of the merits of adding seaplanes in general to the planeset is related. You haven't seen a real hijacking yet, I take?  

3: And if you think others are deviating from your stated objective, the best way to try to get it back on course certainly can't be making a statement that you are bowing out of the thread. (Which I assume was your intent)

 
 
 
 mrblack the stukas are slow and i always seem to get plenty of perk points when i fly one LOL
 
 
 mistblade i sead talk bout the cat and sword not the other sea planes so forum close bye.....














P.S. "mess with the best, Die like the rest" team blade qoute.
 
 
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Originally posted by F4i
 

of course, HTC could aways DEDUCT perkies for shooting down the slower sea planes...that would give 'em half a chance of survival.  

TBolt
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There's lots of things that don't see the light of day (hardly) in the MA that have a place in scenarios and the CT, T. The F4F ... the P40B. Do you think those were modeled to cater to the MAsses?  No they were modeled to offer a more complete set for the players who enjoy scenarios and historical setups. Get it? No? Here .... try to hop on this train of thought and not fall off.

"Tour of Duty" is HiTech's proposal for a more immersive enviroment for his customer base. Can you say immersive? Yes? Good .... I knew you could. It supposedly will feature AI aircraft filling in gaps for a 24/7 war. The players will create actual "avatars" (player-characters?) that they will attempt to keep alive and well throughout the war ... hopefully gaining some glory and having fun doing it in the process. Can you say avatar? Yes? Good .... I knew you could.

Back to immersion. The MA, while fun in itself .... is not designed for total immersion. Immersion is hampered by Bishop ponies and Rook ponies dogfighting over the landscape of an alien world.

Now immersion isn't everyone's cup-o-tea ... that's understood. But apparently HT thinks that it appeals to enough of his customer base to warrant his expense and labor developing TOD.

And what does this have to do with seaplanes and such? Well hell, T ... having them included is another level of immersion. Even if nothing but AI pilots fly the damned things, escorting them on a "fake" rescue mission ... or even a "real" one ( or even being rescued by them) is more ... immersive.

Now ... if ... for some reason ... HT decides to model Catalinas or any other type of seaplane..... I mean .. if he think's it's worth his while to add to the immersive qualities of TOD .... you can rest assured that his "waste of time and resources" probably won't result in your or anyone else in the MA being forced to fly a seaplane occasionally. And I'm sure if you see some crazy dude up one in the MA that it'll just chap your hide ... while you line it up.  

Yeah .. I know ... you don't get it. That's ok.  
 
 
 SlapShot mistblade ... Is english not your native language ? ... because I am having a real hard time trying to understand what the hell you are writing about.
 
 
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>>>slow sea planes would just be another set of targets for us to shoot down. and, the CV ack in AH would rip 'em to shreds.

Originally posted by Arlo
You can explain it to `em but ya obviously can't understand it for `em.  

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of course, HTC could aways DEDUCT perkies for shooting down the slower sea planes...that would give 'em half a chance of survival.  

TBolt

[Arlo]

Thanks for the recap of the entire thread, Misty ... but since we're already here, it was pretty much unneccesary. You'll get there.

[F4i]

Originally posted by Arlo
But good to meet ya, hope ya enjoyed the TOD forum.

Ah, cr@p...I asked the hostess, "Where's the bar?"  And, she sent me here.     I'm clearly in the wrong room.  

TBolt

[Arlo]

Well while you're here ... let me buy you a beer.

[F4i]

next round is on me.  

TBolt

[mistblade]

here here now dont get drunk

[mistblade]

alro whats your yahoo im name:cool:      

[Arlo]

No misty .... no messenger proggies on my machine. Ma Mah ... mah .... mahma says IM is da debil.

[PSYKOJR]

JOKE THE CATALINA  AND  WATCH ME DIVE BOMB UR bellybutton AND KILL U WITH ONE OF THOSE PLANES ONE DAY CAUSE THEY WERE USED IN NIGHT ATTACKS IN THE PACIFIC THEATRE

[cajun]

Ma, Ma, Ma.. thats all I ever hear when talking about WW2 Biplanes...

But you know, theres more to the game than the MA!
Sorry, dont mean to sound offensive, its just people seem to totally ignore scenarios, CT, and the upcoming TOD.

I would fly a swordfish, gloster gladiator, or any other biplane in the MA as I had flown the D3a Val in the MA while I still had an paying account (Got quite alot of kills with it too, especially spits who thought they could out turn me ! Haha I love .303 cals )

I am all for a swordfish, as well as a gloster gladiator and cr42 to rival it.
Some people, like myself, like to fly the worst of the worst, just for the fun, just for the challenge!  Personally, I dont like flying the latest greatest planes, it just gives me very little satisfaction compared to shooting down a spit in a val or hurri mk1!

But, lets think more about the real reason biplanes would be added.  TOD/CT/Scenarios.
Aces High is getting very much into scenarios and such, which I love and very much aprove of!  And early war scenarios are always fun.. but often we must make compromises for non-existing planes.

Oh, also I must say.. The reason the swordfish squad sank the bismark, and not only sank it but didnt loose a single plane, was because of the fabric covered wings.  The rounds would simply slice right through the fabric without triggering the explosives in the bullets, therefore they just left a few harmless holes in the wings.
That mission probably would not have been successfull had later planes been used, they would've probably be blown to bits.

If I recall right, I think the swordfish was still in service up untill about the early 50's, I think it was 52 to be exact, but im probably a few years off on that

[Slash27]

JOKE THE CATALINA AND WATCH ME DIVE BOMB UR bellybutton AND KILL U WITH ONE OF THOSE PLANES ONE DAY CAUSE THEY WERE USED IN NIGHT ATTACKS IN THE PACIFIC THEATRE            

uh.....     what?





If I recall right, I think the swordfish was still in service up untill about the early 50's, I think it was 52 to be exact, but im probably a few years off on that  

 You sure about that Cajun? I have no idea myself, just thought it was replaced later in the war. Id look myself but my stinking books are in storage:(

[cajun]

Im sure it stayed in service with great britain throughout the war, but I do not remember if it was in service with britain up untill the 50s, im pretty sure it was though.  But it was in service that long, regardless of the country.  As the Gloster Gladiator remained in service untill 1947, though not with great britain.  The point was, it had a job, and it did it well.  And without it, things would have been much harder.

When the fighting begins, you must win the war with what you have, not with what you may have in the future!
That is the differance of the strategist and the tactician.
Stratigey is creating a good position to be in.
Tactics is winning in the position set to you by the strategist, wether it be good or bad, but winning with what you have available!