Author Topic: Rush is a Fool (Read 2291 times)

Fatty · « **Reply #75 on:** October 04, 2003, 05:00:32 PM »

I find it amusing the quick dismissal by the league, the media, and the players that the idea of discrimination against black quarterbacks could even be could be considered, especially when McNabb is among the first group to truly be accepted.

It's not very long ago at all that black quarterbacks were unheard of aside from the occasional Doug Williams, Cunningham and Moon. When the big group came through, there was no conspiracy to promote them, but it was human nature to hope they succeeded. I know I was 'desirous' to see them succeed, just as I am 'desirous' to see the handfull of black coaches succeed since they are in the same situation quarterbacks were not very long ago. Anyone would have to be, unless they were either racist or completely apathetic.

Whether that's still the case a few years later I'd agree it's probably not, but it's certainly not out in left field to be debated (unless you're a league that wants to brush its past aside).

Sixpence · « **Reply #76 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:05:42 PM »

Fatty, it was not long ago that it was said that White QB's are there because of the media. It was labeled w/o merit, and it was. What Rush did was discredit what Mcnabb has done, and that is w/o merit also. It's the NFL, if you don't cut it, you won't last long, white or black.

Does the leaugue want to see a black QB succeed? Sure, but it would not do so to compromise the integrity of the league

Fatty · « **Reply #77 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:10:09 PM »

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What Rush did was discredit what Mcnabb has done

Yes, he did, and that's got nothing to do with it.

The point is whether a discussion on how the turn was made from not allowing black quarterbacks to play (with rare exception) to their being accepted is even allowed to take place.

Sixpence · « **Reply #78 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:11:47 PM »

He discredited what he has done by the color of his skin, that has everything to do with it.

he also discredited the league

Fatty · « **Reply #79 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:15:48 PM »

Christ this is like calling someone a racist for bringing up Jackie Robinson's race.

Irregardless of his ability, overrated or underrated, McNabb is among the first group of black quarterbacks to be accepted in the NFL.

You cannot throw out any discussion of this as racism, and you cannot have any discussion of the fact without bringing up race.

You cannot relate that to the current head coach situation without bringing up race.

And you cannot even discuss the policies the NFL has to take under the thread of lawsuit without discussing race.

Sixpence · « **Reply #80 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:18:16 PM »

He said Mcnabb was a QB in this league because he was black. What does being a QB have to do with being black?

Fatty · « **Reply #81 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:18:58 PM »

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he also discredited the league

The league discredited itself, and continues with its hiring practices.

It's trying to right itself, at least image-wise, but its race-relation problems have very little to do with anything Rush said.

Sixpence · « **Reply #82 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:20:04 PM »

What hiring practices? And don't deflect away from the thread, it is about what rush said. I didn't hear him mention hiring polocies

Fatty · « **Reply #83 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:20:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
He said Mcnabb was a QB in this league because he was black. What does being a QB have to do with being black?

At the risk of sounding like Lance, source please. He said nothing of the sort.

Sixpence · « **Reply #84 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:21:38 PM »

Dig up the quote urself

Fatty · « **Reply #85 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:22:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
What hiring practices?

Exactly. Or if it was not rhetorical, ask Johnny Cochran.

There is no quote Sixpence, that is the point.

He did say he thought McNabb was overrated, and he did say that he thought the media was desirous that a black quaterbacks succeed. I watched it, at no point did affirmative action come up, at no point did he imply that McNabb should not have the starting job or that he got the job for any reason other than ability.

Sixpence · « **Reply #86 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:24:18 PM »

So the media does the hiring?

Fatty · « **Reply #87 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:26:32 PM »

Whether or not McNabb should have the starting job as quarterback was never mentioned.

What was mentioned is that he thought McNabb got too much credit and the Eagles defense was underrated as a factor in the eagles division titles.

Sixpence · « **Reply #88 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:28:19 PM »

Too much credit because he was black

Fatty · « **Reply #89 on:** October 04, 2003, 06:33:35 PM »

So that's it then, race cannot be discussed in a league that has current policies in place less than two years as an agreement to avoid a lawsuit on the grounds of unfair minority hiring practices?