Author Topic: AP shell range - Supergun Panzers (Read 737 times)

SKurj · « **Reply #30 on:** June 20, 2002, 05:52:45 PM »

I don't find it irritating, tho if there was more cover... i'd be all for PZ shells losin energy faster

if shells were weak over 3-4k just imagine the tension building as i sit in my pz rangin u as you drive for 5 minutes til i can kill u. As it is now sure it might be unrealistic, but hey we get to fight sooner and prove our 1337 skillz

SKurj

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #31 on:** June 22, 2002, 06:37:23 AM »

Panzerkampfwagen IV H - 75mm KwK40L/48
Penetration of Armor Plate at 30 degrees from Vertical
Ammunition: 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
Panzergranate.39 106mm 96mm 85mm 74mm 64mm
Panzergranate.40 143mm 120mm 97mm 77mm 0mm

Penetration at 90 degrees 500m 1000m 2000m
Panzergranate.39 114m 85mm 64mm
Panzergranate.40 143mm 97mm 0mm

Pzgr.39 (APCBC) - Armor Piercing Composite Ballistic Cap
Pzgr.40 (APCR) - Armor Piercing Composite Rigid (Tungsten Core)
Weight: PzGr39 (6.80kg) ,PzGr40 (4.10kg)
Muzzle Velocity: 790(m/s), 1060(m/s)

SKurj · « **Reply #32 on:** June 22, 2002, 07:58:42 AM »

Wish they tested to further ranges Zhivago, but I guess at those kinda ranges getting a hit would be tough +)

SKurj

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #33 on:** June 24, 2002, 11:15:56 AM »

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Originally posted by SKurj
Wish they tested to further ranges Zhivago, but I guess at those kinda ranges getting a hit would be tough +)

SKurj

I think 75mm KwK40L/48 effective/reasonable range was that 2000 meters, shooting over that range would be useless. Projectile would just bounce off from armor. But Panther or Tiger could knock out tanks beyond range of 2000m. Tiger destroyed T-34 at the range of 3900m and Nashorn (with 88mm Pak43/1 L/71) destroyed IS-2 at the range of 4600m!. Panther's 75mm KwK 42L/70 gun had penetration slightly better than Tiger's 88mm gun though Panther's projectile was lighter but muzzle velocity was higher 925,1120 m/s vs. Tiger's 773,930 m/s.
128mm Pak 44 L/55 gun max range was 22,410 meters

, this gun was fitted to Maus and Jagdtiger.

More info ==> Armour penetration table

SKurj · « **Reply #34 on:** June 24, 2002, 01:25:18 PM »

Zhivago u notice the penetration at 2000m right?

Thats over 3x the top armor of the PzIV in AH...

SKurj

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #35 on:** June 25, 2002, 12:20:12 PM »

Yep, PzIV got thin top armor just like all tanks. Maybe this explains single shot deads at game. At Panzer Elite you could knock out shermans with single shot to top armor...

Blank · « **Reply #36 on:** June 26, 2002, 11:01:48 PM »

I would lke to thank this thread as since reading it i've been doing a bit ground work in my panzer been playing AH for about 10weeks and never really got on with Panzers but now I got the whole :

1: load AP
2: elevate gun and mark the target with the mouse
3: fire
4: check range and move mouse
5: kill bad guy

just about sorted I have really started loving it and getting quite alot of 'good shot' and surprised remarks from people LOL

made it much more fun, thanks again for the tips

Sparks · « **Reply #37 on:** June 27, 2002, 07:48:21 PM »

If I've read the charts correctly the best Ap ammunition will penetrate 64mm of plate at 2000m (seems strange that there is the same penetration for 30deg and 90deg

)

Surely this highlights my point - at 2000m which is WAY less than 6000yds - AP rounds can only penetrate the thin upper amour. At the ranges I initially posted about they should literally bounce off. I've yet to see anthing that convinces me that in tank to tank exchanges you should really only see major hits under 1500yds - or am I missing something ??

Sparks

Thrawn · « **Reply #38 on:** June 27, 2002, 10:00:37 PM »

The shell was falling down, maintaining energy.

It hits the softest part of tank the top.

Tank goes boom.

If you dropped a shell, from a plane 6000 yrds, directly above a tank, and hit the tank in the top, what do you think would happen?

Tank goes boom.

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #39 on:** June 28, 2002, 06:27:40 AM »

Check this, if you want to see destroyed GVs...German Destroyed AFVs

Hortlund · « **Reply #40 on:** June 28, 2002, 07:51:21 AM »

Stop this nonsense.

Hitting something 7000 yards using wwii sights and optics? I seriousy doubt you would be able to see a tank at 7000 yards at all.

Using your mouse as some sort of aiming device?

Penetrating a tank at 7000 yards with a standard AP shot?

HiTech, please stop this.
The gv vs gv battle models needs to be corrected. Aiming and hitting is *apparently* too easy. Gv damage model must be way off if an AP shell can penetrate a tank at 7 000 yards.

And thrawn, the AP round is not coming from a 90 degree angle. If it did, it might penetrate. But now it is coming in from another angle, and it is a very tired shell that hits the thinnly armored roof. However, 98 times out of 100, such a shell will bounce off instead of penetrating.