Author Topic: Somebody.... Anybody... PLEASE overhaul Big Isles!  (Read 1004 times)

Offline Toad

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« on: October 02, 2003, 10:37:48 PM »
Fer Pete's sake, transform some of those "only thing on a small island" V-fields into AIRFIELDS that have BOTH aircraft and vehicle hangars.

Best of both worlds, eh? More fights, more fun, more of everything!

Somebody just DO IT!

... or tell me how and give me permission!

It's sixteen levels below watching paint dry right now.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2003, 11:43:27 PM »
I have to agree with you...I think the smaller maps are more action packed for when i play....usually late at night and early afternoon.  when there's only 40 people in the arena and you have to fly 4 sectors just to get ganged 4 on 1 its not that fun :p

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2003, 12:44:39 AM »
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I have to agree with you.......and you have to fly 4 sectors just to get ganged 4 on 1 its not that fun :p


  Let me get this straight. You log on and look around,  pick an area,  but STILL have to fly four sectors?  Then you buckle down to get near a fight  (the whole time never watching dar bar evidently) and get ganged 4 on 1?


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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2003, 12:51:35 AM »
WOW your smart...you can take a simple statement...change it around to suit your statement....than procede to judge ME....well I'm not the "Subject" of the post, Big Isles is

When you play somtimes at 2am west coast time there isnt a whole lot to choose from...so either you JABO or you fly to the fight and YES somtimes YES the fight is far away...AND while you are travleing that distance the battle "Changes" IE your friendlies get shot down or RTB (what a concept)  and than you find yourself in an unfavorable position and you have two options:

1 Fight
2 Run

BUT since you flew all this way you might as well have some fun and see how long you last...somtimes you get lucky

Evidently you "read good" cause you can make all the asumptions about me, and offered no opinion on big isle vs the smaller maps

Attack the subject not the person....you obviously stink at the latter  Maybe you should find a training forum
« Last Edit: October 03, 2003, 12:54:09 AM by Gunslinger »

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2003, 01:16:45 AM »
ok fine, I think a map is a map, each one offeres something unique and I don't mind any of them.

to get particular (since you defended your outrageous bull):

  I've NEVER had to fly 4 sectors to find a fight, I think you're a liar.

  35 miles is about the maximum distance between any 2 fields so I can find a fight in 18 miles flight, read the map, think for a second, then get where you want to be.

  I'd call you a liar about only finding 1v4  fights too, but I believe it now.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2003, 01:21:31 AM by Boozer »

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2003, 03:35:50 AM »
Mr. Toad! :) just for you --> erm...

...I think there needs to be an area in which GVs can fight eachother. If aircraft are also present, Doofus-Dweebius will wipe out GVs thus: Up a trio of LANCs with max ord (14,000lb each = 42,000lb) and drop the lot just to kill one lousy Ostwind or PNZR. I've seen it done. :rolleyes: So I do see the need for GV-only positions.

Best map for GV battles is the pizza, with those outer crust skirmishes - huge fun, and a break from air combat. Variety is the spice of life!

The tank town concept on Trinity is nothing more than a bit of a lark. "Let's see who can make it to the enemy spawn point, and spawn camp his way through his AP and HE shells".

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2003, 07:16:21 AM »
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Let me get this straight. You log on and look around,  pick an area,  but STILL have to fly four sectors?  Then you buckle down to get near a fight  (the whole time never watching dar bar evidently) and get ganged 4 on 1?

  stick to the training arena, you suck


Jeez you a little harsh don't you think?
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2003, 07:40:11 AM »
Why Beet1e, all people that want to just GV on the outer crust of Pizza should be forced to go to the DA. After all, the outer crust has no real impact on WINNING THE WAR using subtle yet clever strategy, don't you know!

Off to the DA with you! That's why we have a DA.


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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2003, 07:43:07 AM »
I like the map as it is.

 The pros of this map, is people need to keep their CV alive all through the fight, which needs some more thiking than the usual NDisles type of "park CV 5 miles off" mentality.

 In NDisles, you don't have to care what happens to your CV.

 All you need is park CV off 5 miles, turn enemy base into a parking lot with brutal display of power - once you can do that, you don't have to care about what happens to your CV, since goons can just get off from another nearby base 25 miles away. and come capture it. People can get up from a nearby base in their favorite plane, and cherry pick the battle field at will.

 Whereas in Bigisles, it's literally big. The gaps between fields are large, and the only base which is placed in that gap, is your mobile CV - which needs to be defended, taken care of, and kept alive.

 You may capture the base by the usual steam-roller method, but if people don't keep a lookout for the CVs and keep a constant state of alert, the CV will go down, and people are going to have to wait a loooooong time until the CV respawns, and continue its former course.

 Bigisles has plenty of furballs. It also has good strat quality.

 I've seen some optimistic combination of both strat-based play and furball-based play in this map. Furballers can get an all-you-can-eat hot fights if the forces between the CV and nearby enemy base is well matched. Strat-players can be content in keeping a minimum safe distance between CV and enemy base. Flying CAP flights will ensure the CV's survival, making the strat-players happy, and since the fights will last as long as the CV is alive, the furball-players are also happy.


 ....

 But in all due fairness, some of the "vacant" areas consisting of 2~3 VHs in a 50x50 mile area do cause stagnant fronts for little too long.

 Also, Bigisles is a nightmare for lone-wolfing pilots and non-CV plane types. Especially for those who choose the fights for a good round of cherry picking, opportunities for a 'good fight' according to their standards, are slim. You're not going to get an opportunity to up one plane, hover near enemy base, club baby seals and get kills in this map.

 In Bigisles, it's "where there's a CV, there's a fight". Which also means "no CV nearby = no fight to enjoy"... which comes down to "you don't feel like defending the CV = then you don't get to fight", since the CV is going down, one way or another, without proper defense.

 ...

 Maybe changing a few VH bases to airfields might help, but I don't think anyone who can't feel any fun in current Bigisles layout, is gonna feel any more fun because some bases are changed to airfields.

 I feel the same way about Pizza map. I hate Pizza. Changing country layouts are gonna help, but I'll probably still hate it anyway. Guess we'll just have to weather what we don't like.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2003, 08:13:24 AM »
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Why Beet1e, all people that want to just GV on the outer crust of Pizza should be forced to go to the DA. After all, the outer crust has no real impact on WINNING THE WAR using subtle yet clever strategy, don't you know!

Off to the DA with you! That's why we have a DA.


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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2003, 09:18:09 AM »
Well, at least it's Football season.

Maybe Big Isles is the test mule map for reducing server load or something.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2003, 10:32:05 AM »
I disagree Toad. Telling people to go to the DA just because you dont want to drive GVs is selfish. If you dont like them fine dont involve yourself.

The fight at 235-236 area raged for hours yesterday and involved all three countries in an endless furball. You missed this somehow?

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2003, 10:46:53 AM »
Look up the definition of "sarcasm".

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2003, 12:05:20 PM »
Evidently Panzers, M3s/, Ostwinds, and M16s are amphibious.

They can spawn from the next Island with 4 miles of water

between them!  Only in Big Isle can this happen.  Even with

120 players on  it's either gang ...or be ganged...only have to

fly 30 miles for that choice.  Usually only two large fights on

Map at any one time.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2003, 12:08:33 PM by Hajo »
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2003, 12:52:07 PM »
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I disagree Toad. Telling people to go to the DA just because you dont want to drive GVs is selfish. If you dont like them fine dont involve yourself.

The fight at 235-236 area raged for hours yesterday and involved all three countries in an endless furball. You missed this somehow?


It was an inside joke/jab at beet1e ... he knew it was too.
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