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Offline Holden McGroin

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Now that Gore let the recount cat out of the bag, elections will never be the same.
« Reply #90 on: October 05, 2003, 05:49:57 PM »
Question for you MT...

Let's assume that the SC decides to invalidate its Florida B v G decision based on constitutional principle.

What is the remedy? Can we make it come out right, or is this discussion of what happened now three years ago just an academic excercise in fulility?

Wait... thats right, it would not have made any difference.... reference the Miami Herald et al.

edit:  yeah, yeah, I know,... what happens next time?...

Consider that Benjiman Harrison won and electoral majority from a popular minority when he ran against Grover Cleveland, and there was no such thing as a chad at the time.  s**t happens...
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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #91 on: October 05, 2003, 06:48:56 PM »
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Many overvotes and undervotes are informed voter choices and correctly are not counted by vote counting equipment. Each such ballot not counted by the counters is inspected visually by observers and administrators to verify that it is really an overvote or undervote.


This is not the same thing as divining the intent of the voter from an improperly coded ballot, and you know it.
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« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2003, 08:40:48 PM »
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Question for you MT...

Let's assume that the SC decides to invalidate its Florida B v G decision based on constitutional principle.

What is the remedy? Can we make it come out right, or is this discussion of what happened now three years ago just an academic excercise in fulility?

Wait... thats right, it would not have made any difference.... reference the Miami Herald et al.

edit:  yeah, yeah, I know,... what happens next time?...

Consider that Benjiman Harrison won and electoral majority from a popular minority when he ran against Grover Cleveland, and there was no such thing as a chad at the time.  s**t happens...


No there is no remedy, and yes of course this is an academic exercise.... Just like almost every other political or religious thread on this BBS..... all I'm doing is enjoying the discussion....


so sue me :)
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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2003, 08:42:17 PM »
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This is not the same thing as divining the intent of the voter from an improperly coded ballot, and you know it.


But that is a separate issue. So you are conceeding that the FLSC didn't invent the undervote count?
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« Reply #94 on: October 05, 2003, 09:42:13 PM »
I am not conceding a thing. The tricks the Dems pulled in the recount process made the process unequal. THAT is the point, and why the SCOTUS was involved. NOT that Bush was their boy, NOT because they are Conservative (hah!), but because votes that were cast were being treated differently in place to place. Votes that would be considered disqualified were being allowed through some hocus-pocus mind reading nonsense. THOSE votes, being included, were like counterfeit money, diluting the value of legitimate votes. Not your oversimplified election devices or local rules situation you tried earlier, but the pure and simple shifting of the goal line over and over. That's not a simple or separate issue, but in fact the whole point.

Edit: Deleted "moot". What was I thinking?
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« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2003, 10:24:15 PM »
Nah Kieran, you are concocting a story now. I stated nothing but fact and made my point. No one refuted it. Have a nice night.
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« Reply #96 on: October 06, 2003, 12:09:08 AM »
In regards to the "undervote", if you're to stupid to vote correctly or remember to vote for a Presidential canidate during the Presidential elections, then your vote shouldn't count. It's not that hard people.
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« Reply #97 on: October 06, 2003, 12:54:53 AM »
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Simply friggin amazing.


1. Gore never lost the hand recount, because it was never completed.


Weren't there several 'after the fact' recounts?

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2. The Supreme Court's ruling was tantamount to treason. They bent over backwards to ensure that there (their?) guy would win.
 

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3. Quit harping on about the selective recounts. The Florida Supreme Court ordered a complete hand count of the ALL of the States undervotes (about 60,000 ballots). [/B]


I wasn't aware that the FSSC had jurisdiction over all of the States in the US.

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4. This could have been accomplished in a matter of 3-4 days.

5. The actual count is not relevent


That was the Dem's problem.
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« Reply #98 on: October 06, 2003, 07:17:56 AM »
I win!
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