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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2003, 03:07:33 PM »
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Witch is based on the remington m700 bolt action.
 


My Remington 700 took a deer down from 150 yards, moving, through the heart, with iron sights.  Do I get a medal? :D  (I have to admit, I missed the first shot as he stood still....:eek: )

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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2003, 03:15:04 PM »
No  but i bet you got some good steaks:D

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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2003, 03:15:59 PM »
LOl rip, the only part of the Rem 700 they use is the action, but even that is gon through and "trued"  They use a custom bbl, custom stock with the action bedded by hand, and a scope neither you or I could afford...

Mr black, you must have gone through training some time ago if you learned on the m-21, they changed that a while back didn't they?  To the M-24 right? Were you marine or army?  The marines have their own smiths build their rifles, the army buys a custom job from the factory...

Do they still use the US Optics scopes?  Heard they were going to change that.

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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2003, 03:20:46 PM »
They changed to the M-24 in 1984 I think.
I got out in 81
The scopes where made by a company called (mispelled) unertall
I was Army.
The marine scout snipers I think Are now trained at quatico Va.
And the rifles are built there as well.
And I think US optics Is now the supplier for the scopes but i could be wrong on that.
US Army Sniper school is located at Ft Benning Ga on Harmony Church Rd.

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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2003, 03:28:04 PM »
Thats what I thought, Unertil is now made by US optics and available to the general public for around $2500.

Like I said, for your service to our country, and don't pay any attention to the others here like Miko, he is our resident expert on everything.

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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2003, 04:00:11 PM »
NO thank you for your hard work as a Paramedic!!
I know as an EMT since 1993 how hard a job it can be.

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2003, 04:25:10 PM »
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This is so wrong.


Why, because you can't see through the fog?  Open your eyes and use your brain, I've read your earlier post, I know you have one.

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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2003, 04:27:42 PM »
Yeah, Creamy's going to cry.
Saw
Dirty, nasty furriner.

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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2003, 04:35:20 PM »
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Yeah, Creamy's going to cry.


LOL!

He still hates me to this day for defending you Saw, back in the Beta days. Hehe!

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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2003, 04:35:48 PM »
:rofl

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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2003, 04:38:28 PM »
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This thread wasn't supposed to end like this ... like Oprah! Was expecting more of a Ricki Lake ending. Oh well.



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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2003, 04:44:03 PM »
Cant we just all get along:(

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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2003, 04:50:31 PM »
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Cant we just all get along:(


No.

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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2003, 04:59:15 PM »
I'm going to go get along with a pizza ,extra peperoni.

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« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2003, 03:18:43 AM »
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If I thought you where worth me posting  personal info I would post my DD-214

Or do you know what a DD-214 is?

I really don't have the expertise to determine whether ot not a DD-214 would be proof necessary.

But hey, lets see whether or not I can find the things you've post to prove on the internet.

Excuse me searching for "US sniper school" in google.

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According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000. The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.

According to the U.S. Army, the average soldier will hit a man-sized target 10 percent of the time at 300 meters using the M16A2 rifle. Graduates of the U.S. Army sniper school are expected to achieve 90 percent first-round hits at 600 meters, using the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS).

The sniper has special abilities, training, and equipment. His job is to deliver discriminatory, highly accurate rifle fire against enemy targets that cannot be engaged successfully by the regular rifleman because of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility. Sniping requires the development of basic infantry skills to a high degree of perfection. A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his survival on the Battlefield. The art of sniping requires learning and repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered. A sniper must be highly trained in long range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk.

A lot of people have the misconception that to be a good sniper, you have to be a good shooter. Shooting is only 20 percent of the course at the Army Sniper School. It takes a patient person, a disciplined person, a person who is used to working alone. In addition to marksmanship skills, the school instructs on detecting and stalking a target, and estimating the range of a target. The course also covers concealment and camouflage, as well as observation exercises.

The first U.S. Army Sniper School was initiated in 1955, right after the Korean War cease-fire. The present U.S. Army Sniper School was established at Fort Benning, Georgia, in 1987. The length of the school is 5 weeks. The Army National Guard Sniper School was established in 1993 at Camp Robinson Arkansas.

Prerequisites:

Must be 11B, 11M, 19D or CMF 18.
PFC-SFC (Grade waiverable).
Active duty, or Reserve, or National Guard, must have a good performance record with no history of alcohol, or drug abuse, must be a volunteer and be recommended by his commander.
Must be in excellent physical condition (70 percent or better in each event of the APFT).
Must have a corrected vision of 20/20
Must not have a record of disciplinary action.
Must be knowledgeable of skill level 2 tasks.
Must have a GT score of 100.
Must have qualified expert with the M16A2/M4 Carbine rifle within six months of course attendance.  
Normal color vision must be annotated on SF 88, tested within six months of course attendance.
Must have a minimum of one (1) year retainability.
Must pass psychological evaluation (MMPI/CPI) conducted under the direction of a qualified psychologist.
Upon reporting to the U.S. Army Sniper School, Students are required to have the following:

1. Gillie suit complete.

2. 5 copies of all orders and amendments (NG/USAR 10 Copies)

3. Valid ID card and sets of metal ID tags with chain

4. Unit issued meal card (non-wavrable)

5. DA FORM 2-1 6. DA FORM 2A

7. Medical Records

8. Commanders Recommendation

9. DA form 3822-A

10. SF88 11. Rifle Marksmanship score card

SPECIAL INFO: The following items are also required for the USASS:

Large Alice pack w/frame, LBE/LBV complete with ammo pouch (2),
1 Qt. canteen (2)
first aid pouches, poncho w/poncho liner, water proof bag, (2)
cammo stick, calculator, padlocks, (2) (key or Commbo)
Clipboard.
Five (5) sets of BDUs, T-shirt, and black/green socks (1 set will be rendered unserviceable after training), 2 BDU caps, 2 pair of boots (combat or jungle, one pair will be rendered unserviceable after training)
2 Gray PT uniforms complete with running shoes, seasonal military attire (gortex, polypros, Etc), undergarments, toiletries, etc, as needed
2 ear-plugs w/carrier
1 lensetic compass
2 protractors, pens and mechanical pencils and
1 Boonie Hat and a Ghillie suit.
All students report to the USASS, Building 4882, Harmony church no later than 0800 hours on the reporting day (day prior to the class start date). Students arriving prior to 0800 hours on the class reporting date will report to the SDNCO, 2nd Battalion, 29th Infantry Regiment in building 74 on Main post, Fort Benning. "

Geez, look at all that, and that was off the first hit.

I imagine that you can understand my trepidation at accepting what you say at face value.  Especially when there is so much information out there on the internet, that any pretender to sniperism can use to forward their case.
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