Lessons from the DC Killers

[medicboy]

Originally posted by miko2d
medicboy:  Why do you need a paramilitary rifle?  Planning something?  You can do everything you need to do with a bolt gun.

 You must have not been reading anything I was posting here on other topics.

 I believe there is a real chance of economic downturn that would cause breakdown of monetary system, civil unrest and breakdown of order.
 A few thousand dollars investment in supplies/weapons is a cheap insurance that would significantly increase the chance of a family survival.
 That is why I need a battle rifle. A few actually, since my friends are mostly lax in that regard. If they show up on my doorstep (in my summer house upstate), they will have to contend with spare SKS.

And besides, just because a rifle is capable of a 600 yard shot I seriously doubt you are.

 I know that. I served in combat and I was a decent shot but I am quite realistic. Nevertheless, a rifle capable of 600 yards will be usefull even if I will not attempt to shoot further than 300.

2:  Yes the 223 will fragment out past 200 yards, varmit shooters use the 223 out to 400+yards no problems./b]

 Only specially-made varmint bullets will fragment  below 2600fps. Those bullets are made weak-jacketed and and thus cannot be spun as fast, cannot be shot out of 1/7 and 1/9 military rifles. Theymust spin at 1/12 and so cannot be heavier than 50 grain to keep stability. They fragment upon contact, not inside, so will be ineffective for general purposes or deer hunting.
 I am not stocking all kinds of ammo for my Mini-14, just a couple thousands mill-spec M193 rounds.
 
 miko

You know even if we don't agree on everything, I like the way you think..

Have you shot those mil spec rounds through that mini 14????  Be careful, there is an actual difference in milspec rounds and the factory Rem 223 that mini was chambered for, higher pressure in the mil spec stuff for one...  Be careful!

My 22-250 has a 1/12" twist barrel and shoots 55gr under MOA, I admit it does like the 40-45gr better though, 0.26" 5 shot groups.

[mrblack]

Well I dont see use all taking showers together any time soon:D
But atleast we are getting on the same page here.

[Dune]

Originally posted by miko2d
On one hand. On the other hand I have an incredibly active 2-year old boy growing up who will probably find a way to the stuff, especially if he takes after daddy, which he seems to. I love tinkering and would really like to reload but the jury is still out whether I should risk it.

 miko

Miko, the only real dangerous components of reloading are the primers and powder.  Just put them up in a locked cabinet and don't worry about it.  Set up your reloaders in a shed in the backyard with a lock or put them in the garage and lock the door.  Either way, it should keep a toddler out of them.

I reload and enjoy it.

[miko2d]

medicboy: Have you shot those mil spec rounds through that mini 14????  Be careful, there is an actual difference in milspec rounds and the factory Rem 223 that mini was chambered for, higher pressure in the mil spec stuff for one...  Be careful!

 Mini-14 was designed specifically for Mill-spec ammo. Bill Ruger hoped that it would get accepted by military and it is used a lot by law-enforcement and correctional facility personnel.

 Mini -14 with a 5-rd clip that does not protrude below the stock, no pistol grops, etc. does not look different from an inoffensive hunting rifle. It was also never used by any military. Because of its inoffensive look and history it not banned in many locales (NYC, Kalifornia) where everything else is banned.

 I know that many people consider it P.O.S. - which is undeserved. true, it is not as accurate as AR-15 - mostly by design. It has pretty loose tolerances that will keep it shooting after a mudbath and the barrel is thin (.56"?) that makes it lighter.
 At the ranges where .223 ammo is lethal (below 200 yards) it is quite accurate, especially with $70 worth of home-administered adjustments (recoil buffer, smaller gas bushing, muzzle brake and possibly a bedding job).

 miko