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Offline miko2d

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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2003, 02:44:31 PM »
AKIron: Pretty dangerous attitude imo.

 I mean basic facts, not interpretations. They would not tell an obvious lie that one can discover by reading a textbook.

 I listen to righ-wingers most of the time while driving and to NPR/PBS occasionally.

 Being a reasonably educated person, my reaction to NPR/PBS is "Yes, but..."  while my reaction to Hannity/Crawley/Savage/Sliwa is "No, that's pure B.S. - it never happened like that..." - even if I may agree with conclusions.

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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2003, 02:46:02 PM »
NPR's facts/numbers may be right, but they are just as guilty of spin as is anyone.  Just look at who always gets the last word in any issue discussion.  9 times out of 10 it will be the more liberial of the two POV's.  And I can tell you that the majority of people are impacted most by the last person's statements.

A defense attorney once told me he'd give up his defendant's right to not testify if he could have the last word in closing arguments (the plaintiff/prosecution always gets the rebuttal close).

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2003, 02:51:30 PM »
I wasn't denying the integrity of either NPR or PBS which I also listen to/watch on occasion. I just think it's foolish to trust any single source without question. Especially if they report something of significance, whether it supports or opposes my "worldview."
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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2003, 02:54:58 PM »
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Originally posted by AKIron
Pretty dangerous attitude imo.


I think what they're saying Iron is that NPR/PBS makes a determined effort to report the facts of the story.  However, time is always a limiting factor, so they report what they think is important about the event.

What NPR thinks is important is frequently 180 degrees away from what we think is important.

With FOX/NBC/CBS/ABC, they appear to have agendas.  Sometimes, it appears that they go looking for story elements that support their point of view.  They decide at the start how the story is going to play out.  Never mind the facts, let's go find supporting evidence.

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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2003, 02:56:49 PM »
Partial sentence Iron.
"You do not have to verify it because experience has shown that the facts they present are generally reliable."
Now, _what_ facts get presented (suppression of evidence) and _how_ they're interpreted, that's a different matter.  But you don't find yourself saying "That's downright false" listening to NPR nearly as much as with the television news networks.  You can be saying "Damn, there's a lot of whiny stories about suffering in the Third World slapped between soft-sell interviews of pseudointellectual writers and musicians and persistent requests for baksheesh", but you rarely say, "that guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about."

Of course, as with anything, it helps to verify the facts. Just be sure you don't do it by turning the news channels until you hear something you agree with.  Go to the sources.

Take the case of this study -- you've got the methodology, the results and the interpretation.  They're all individual steps.  If you want to trash the study, you need to argue:

A) The methodology was flawed, leading to bad results.
B) The results are fraudulent (and if this happens, heads will come off)
C) The interpretation is off.

For those who want to destroy this study, the most promising angle of attack here is C).  So do your research, study the results, and tell me how it should be read. I see the conclusions as they are perfectly obvious.

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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2003, 03:01:10 PM »
I think you're right about what they are saying Curly. BUT, everyone is human, well, except a few on this board, and susceptible to presenting the "facts" as seen through the distortion of their "world view." As you mentioned, even the choice of which "facts" to present is based on someone's opinion as to what's important.

Hey, I'm not saying they're not trying to be objective. Just that that's virtually impossible for a human being to do.
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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2003, 03:13:28 PM »
The most telling criticism of NPR I ever heard:

"It's boring."

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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2003, 10:16:19 AM »
I don't see a problem with the report.  It appears to reach a completely "objective" conclusion.  :rofl

Give me a break.  There have been many political and philosophical discussions on these boards in which the proponents of both sides offered rational, articulate, and often prosaic arguments without resorting to insults.  As I have said before, I do not think either liberals or conservatives have a monopoly on intelligence or moral superiority.  Flouting one's "superior intelligence" or "moral superiority" is one of the lowest and basest arguments.  It bores me silly.


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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2003, 10:21:48 AM »
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
The most telling criticism of NPR I ever heard:

"It's boring."



Much like politics, it is an acquired taste.
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