A Whine has been recorded...

[beet1e]

DMF - thanks for your remarks. I agree again, perking makes people fly more carefully, and want to RTB. That's why I have been in favour of a few PP on certain rides. But perhaps it would be like squeezing a long balloon - the air would just go up the other end to form a bulge at a different place...

But Oboe's idea might work - I'm glad we have quite a bit of agreement on that! Anything to break the Big 5 monotony is worth consideration...

Originally posted by Toad
The C-hog is easy to kill with. I believe that's the basic point.

Which is essentially the same point made about the Big 5's popularity.

Erm... no. If the Chog were easy to kill with it would have to be easy to fly. And if it were both easy to fly and easy to kill with, even noobs would be able to rack up the necessary PP to fly them with consummate ease. It isn't happening.  As a Rook, the PP cost is frequently down to 6pp. The nominal value is, I believe, 13pp. That's not that much. Take off from a CV and kill 4 PT boats - that'll net you 12pp.

"Now go out and rack up lots of kills in the F4U-1. That'd be quite different." Sir! Yes, sir! I see things are back to normal! Mr. Toad is telling me what to fly, and how to fly it!  OK, I will.

Hey Muckmaw, thanks for the belly laugh about Shane's stats. I believe the correct BBS protocol is to claim to have been drinking a cup of coffee at the time. Oddly enough, I was!

Now here's one for you, MuckMAW - I just checked old Toady's stats, and several easymode planes are in his list - lol. In tour 44 at #3 we have the P51D (11 kills) and at #5 we have the LA7 (3 kills)...But get this, after all the railing in his last post, guess what his #4 plane was? Clue: Amazing guns, virtually unparalleled ground attack capabilities, the ability to take off from normal bases as well as carriers, nice medium to high speed handling, a great roll rate, 800 rounds of 20mm ammo, tough as nails, and it's relatively faster than "dweeb rides of choice" that turn better. The is the most well-rounded plane in the game, bar none. To pretend otherwise is to delude yourself.

[Shane]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Oooooo looking up stats is both fun AND enlightening...

Shane's career...

Top 4 planes..

L-Gay-7....4739 kills...a 3.5 to 1 kill ratio
Runstang....2920 kills   a 2.01
Spit V....1276 kills 2.61 KD
Spit 9....1009 kills...2.67 kills

http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/careerstats.php?player=shane&sortby=kdratio_sort

quite so... now check each and every CT tour and see what *else* i've flown.



you see... i find diversity.

you guys just whine about it.

plus i think you're pushing the perk angle to cover up for your general suckiness.

and beet1e.... "flying more carefully"... so now you want to dictate both what and how people fly.  cool. the ultimate cover of suckage.

[muckmaw]

Toad-

Here's the long and short of my argument...and I will add that you are an excellent debator. (I prefer to debate w/you in the O'club when we're on  the same side...but...)

I don't care what anyone else flies until they appear outside my canopy.

Its not a matter of wanting to club baby seals. Its simplya matter of wanting to oppose different airplanes. To encounter something new.

I'm just tired of fighting the same 5 airplanes. Thats all.

AS for the ENY idea...do you really think it would work? I don't even know what ENY really does, because I never paid attention to it. If there's really no use for perks now, and long time players like yourself can attest to that, what incentive will it be to earn more perks?

BTW, I think I have 100 Fighter perks at the moment.  You can perk every plane in AH and I'd still support the idea. I like earning my weapons. Thats just the way I like my gaming. So you'll have to forgive me wanting AH the way I like to game, because I am no different from you or anyone else. I want the game the way I like it.

[Shane]

Originally posted by muckmaw
I'm just tired of fighting the same 5 airplanes. Thats all.

you mean losing to them?

interesting when you check innom's page for k/d against and k/d in. love that page at times.

but the stat i find most amusing in beet1e's case is his general k/t...  what's more easymode and not requiring attention than alting, cruising around swooping down for a cherry pick or 3 then running back to base?

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Shane


plus i think you're pushing the perk angle to cover up for your general suckiness.

Well geez Shane, I could never be as great as you unless I quit my job, ignored my family, and dropped every other obligation I have so I could dedicate all the hours you do TO A VIDEO GAME!

Must look great on a resume, ace.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Shane
you mean losing to them?

No, actually I don't. But thanks for the psychological profile, ace.

[Toad]

The C-hog is EASY to kill with. I flew it a lot in the early days of AH. It had the ability to end the fight with one quick snapshot and that's a huge plus. Hard to fly? You must be joking. Fly it in the B&Z mode and it's incredibly easy to rack up kills. I think back then I had my highest average kills per sortie. But it got old.

Now, do extended turnfights with it and you'll enjoy less success. I suspect, after watching your style, that's not a problem for you.

"Now go out and rack up lots of kills in the F4U-1. That'd be quite different.


I guess for you I should have put "If you're trying to impress with your leet skillz, now go out..."

As I've said a million times, I don't give a fig what anyone else flies. But I'm not suprised you have to dodge the issue at hand in some way.

Racking up kills in an C model hog isn't any different in difficulty from doing so in much of the Big 5 that traumatize your AH experience. To pretend it is, is simply ludicrous. In fact, the C shares a lot of fighting style characteristics with the -51, except the guns are incredibly more powerful and thus it's even EASIER than a -51 to quickly end a fight.

You want to strut your manly macho-ness? Fly the F4U-1 and rack up a bunch of kills. THEN I might be somewhat impressed. But impressed by C-hog kills?  But indeed, fly what you like.. even if it's an easymode C model; after all, you PAID to fly easymode, so THAT'S different.



Tour 44? Why not tell the entire story?



Didn't fly much that tour do to real life.. and boring maps.

Tried out some kinda new stuff for me.. HurriIIc and old easy mode friends like the C model hog. Wow; about a 3/1 K/D in the C and I'm a low alt furballer. Gotta be easymode if I can do that. -51? Still use it whenever the fuel is 25% and, on a big map, if fuel is 50%. Hey... lack of fuel leaves me essentially no choice since I'm not a "think I'll take off two bases back and climb for 20 minutes" guy. I never will be. So, I just take a -51 from the front line and furball it low.

Tour 43? Still not much flying.



Tour 42? did some flying that tour. This is the one I gave away ~2500 perkies in.



Tour 41 you say? Moderate amount of flying for me. Oh.. geez.. dweeb/Big 5 ride had the most kills there, for sure.



Tour 40? Moderate flying.. flew that dweeby Corsair a bunch.



Like I said, perking the Big 5 won't bother me a lick, other than it's another attempt to force people to play your way.

I've got thousands of perks and for the most part I use the Big 5 only when there's a good reason not to take more interesting (to me) aircraft. Like not enough fuel to enjoy a good fight.

[Shane]

if you say so,  "major"

[Toad]

Originally posted by muckmaw
I don't care what anyone else flies until they appear outside my canopy.

Why should you care then? It's just another target. Let him pick what he wants to die in.  



To encounter something new.

Try the CT, the Snapshots and the Scenarios. Why should YOUR desires have anything to do with what other people clearly DON'T want to do in the MA? They're voting in the hangar. As Shane pointed out, I also find plenty of diversity in the CT.. especially when it's night in the MA, or the fuel's totally porked on the front lines. See.. here's the idea... there's other stuff available; use it.  





AS for the ENY idea...do you really think it would work?

Heck if I know. But I'd sure favor using a CARROT rather than a STICK if I was trying to change something. Oboe preserves choice; always good. K's idea and the rest restrict choice. Always bad, IMO.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Shane
they say how one plays a game reflects how one plays at life.  so you're kind of admitting that you suck in real life, too?

why does this not surprise me?

i guess drex and levi and wldthing as well as a few MAW are also losers in life according to what you just said, huh? gee you're splashing all sorts of people with that broad brush.

Oh, way to call in air support, big guy. hehe..make it look like I'm insulting everyone who devotes alot of time to the game. Oh, and try to get my own squadmembers to come out against me.

Yeah, I suck in life. That's it. You nailed it pal. I'm actually homeless. I've got a computer powered by a hamster wheel in my cardboard box.

I guess you're just better at juggling responsibilites better than I am. You're simply greast at everything you touch because your an ace in a video game. wow.

You know the difference between you and people I respect...they don't have constant delusions of grandeur.

[Shane]

actually i thought that wasn't fair to club you like a seal with that - guess i hadn't deleted it fast enough.

but yeah it's a pretty weak ad hominum argument you made, one that casts all sorts of negative dispersions on more than quite a few people some of whom also suck at this game.

[Toad]

Oh yeah.. in case you're wondering




OH yeah, note one other thing.... This type stat doesn't take into account how long it takes to get kills in one plane type versus another.

In short, it's hard to rack 'em up fast in an F4U-1 compared to something like an La-7. So, kills in the "lesser" planes may (probably) reflect more actual stick time per kill.

[muckmaw]

Toad-

A few problems with your suggestions..

1) ToD and Snapshots are not always at the most opportune time. I cannot always fly at 11pm on a friday night or 3pm on a saturday afternoon, etc. Life gets in the way, as I'm sure we all know.

2) CT, though good, has it drawbacks as well. Here we usually have small numbers, and you end up fighting the same people over and over again. Plane diversity, yes, pilot diversity no. But the main problem with the CT is the fact that it's not the MA. Much like furballers like yourself Lament about moving to the DA, people like me have an affinity for the MA. So much as moving to another arena is not a solution for you, the same applies for me.

3) I'm willing to try anything to spark something new. Hence the fact that my sorties are now in p-40E's and Ki-61.

What did you call the Ki-61 in the MA last night, Shane..oh yeah, a chew toy.

Maybe I could be better if you gave some good advice instead of wise arnold answers when asked about a plane, huh?

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Toad
Oh yeah.. in case you're wondering


OH yeah, note one other thing.... This type stat doesn't take into account how long it takes to get kills in one plane type versus another.

In short, it's hard to rack 'em up fast in an F4U-1 compared to something like an La-7. So, kills in the "lesser" planes may (probably) reflect more actual stick time per kill.

Thats a very good point, Toad.

You can spend 10 hours in an FM2 chasing airplanes around because of the lack of speed.

[Shane]

Originally posted by muckmaw
What did you call the Ki-61 in the MA last night, Shane..oh yeah, a chew toy.
Maybe I could be better if you gave some good advice instead of wise arnold answers when asked about a plane, huh?

i only give advice when i know it won't be wasted.