Author Topic: Chog perk vs the "Big Five" (Read 2232 times)

AKcurly · « **Reply #60 on:** October 10, 2003, 02:56:16 PM »

The big hit taken by the f4u1c wasn't perking it - it was the weight addition.

Before the weight addition, it was easy to keep it near 300mph during fights. It's almost impossible to keep it that fast if the area is crowded.

The extra weight killed its ability to accelerate and maneuver.

HTC should remove the f4u1c perk, or the weight (but not both.) Personally, I would prefer a weight adjustment.

curly

AcId · « **Reply #61 on:** October 10, 2003, 03:10:38 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
The CHog (subject of this thread) does not have an identifiable perk icon.

Aware of that bett1e, he was speaking of perk rides in general.

GODO · « **Reply #62 on:** October 10, 2003, 03:26:35 PM »

The Chog was perked in the past for its sins, and it was perked for good, but dont forget that it is still perked. So no matter wether it was perked a year ago or just yesterday, the point is that even today it is considered worth to keep perked over planes like La7. Curious, isnt it?

SlapShot · « **Reply #63 on:** October 10, 2003, 03:34:33 PM »

"But 3 perks for a cost? People are talking like 3 points on a plane will suddenly kill a plane and make P-51s or stuff inaccessible to the general public. I don't think that's true. 50~200 perks may kill motivation, but 3 points is just enough to boost motivational qualities and promote a more careful line of flying, but not high enough to feel punitive when the plane is lost."

If 3 perks is such a nit ... then why perk it at all. I fail to believe that a 3 perk cost will motivate anybody to make another choice. If a perk cost does not really cause a "pause" when deciding what to fly, then don't perk it at all.

Also, I don't believe that we need to motivate people to be more "carefull" ... the arena is already filled with pilots that won't engage unless they have a tremendous advantage and if they miss on the engagement, they extend .... all the way home.

Instead of burning all our brain cells trying to figure out ways to make people fly different aircraft, we should be thinking of and promoting ways to encourage fights.

Batz · « **Reply #64 on:** October 10, 2003, 03:36:02 PM »

Those who claim the chog was perked on whines alone dont know what they are talking about. Pyro said that he had reduced the chog eny value as low as he thought he could with out making it 0. I believe once it hit 1 and was still getting 20% of the kills he perked it.

While yes there were many whines and not all were from lw types. If Ht caved to whiners that easily we wouildnt see d900 kills, the a5 would het its supposed 12mph spped advantage, and there would be no spitfires or nikis in ah at all. Among many other things. I will pull one of toads cards if you know why the chog is perked call ht and ask him. Its been perked for longer then most of you in this thread have been in ah and has been whined about just as long. HT hasnt changed it and it doesnt look like he has changed his mind. He hasnt perked the la7, the niki, or spit or p51d.

But imho gameplay improved after the chog was perked. Atleast shortly after. Now main gameplay focusing on the building battling and war winning has displaced any improvement in gameplay. With the current gameplay the chog would certainly be used more then most of the current top 5. Its a build battlers dream machine.

The chogs weight was fixed because it was wrong. Now folks who dont like the impact of the weight adjustment (some of the ones who actually pointed out the missing weight in the first place) claim now its too heavy. But fork did accel tests and it certainly isnt the worst. Its right inline with the other hogs.

Ht has said that planes arent perked just based on performance or just on "rarity". He has his own system when deciding what to perk.

Toad · « **Reply #65 on:** October 10, 2003, 03:44:05 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Instead of burning all our brain cells trying to figure out ways to make people fly different aircraft, we should be thinking of and promoting ways to encourage fights.

Laz figured it, Fester built it. It's done.

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As I side note, I'm glad to see the few "perk 'em all" posters have sadly agreed this is merely Air Quake and is probably beneath their dignity to play. It's good to have the few sages we have all in agreement.

I do hope that AH2: TOD will give them the serious roleplaying game they seek.. or whatever the heck they seek... and that they enjoy it immensely.

Me? I'm an Air Quakehead! I live (and play) for the fight. I love fights, that's why I play Air Quake.

I hope that after TOD comes out, we can get HT to leave Fester's map all the time... unless a better one for fighting comes out.

all you serious guys! Sorry Air Quake wasn't for you! Hope you find what you seek though!

Does anyone know if the callsign "Quake" is taken? I gotta go check! I know I can sell "Toad" to "AToad", the former WB Toad. He'd probably give me a year's free play for that handle!

This may work out great for EVERYONE!

Quake-a! Quake-a! Quake-a! Quake-a! Quake-a! Quake-a! Quake-a! Quake-a!

I gotta get that into a .wav file for my new Hispano sound!

What a GREAT thread this has been!

beet1e · « **Reply #66 on:** October 10, 2003, 03:45:11 PM »

Great post, Kweassa.

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3 points is just enough to boost motivational qualities and promote a more careful line of flying, but not high enough to feel punitive when the plane is lost.

I absolutely agree with that - 101%.

ALF · « **Reply #67 on:** October 10, 2003, 05:18:17 PM »

The reason the chog was perked was not only its insane kill #s....but its overall kills -vs- all other aircraft. The #s you quote fail to account for 2 issues.

ALF · « **Reply #68 on:** October 10, 2003, 05:22:01 PM »

The reason the chog was perked was not only its insane kill #s....but its overall kills -vs- all other aircraft. The #s you quote fail to account for 2 issues. 1st of all the MA #s back then were only 1/2 to 1/3 those we see today...so in total kills it was insanely dominant. 2nd is the absolute derth of any F4U other than the chog....the D model was as popular as the c202 is today.

Rutilant · « **Reply #69 on:** October 10, 2003, 05:33:03 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
"But 3 perks for a cost? People are talking like 3 points on a plane will suddenly kill a plane and make P-51s or stuff inaccessible to the general public. I don't think that's true. 50~200 perks may kill motivation, but 3 points is just enough to boost motivational qualities and promote a more careful line of flying, but not high enough to feel punitive when the plane is lost."

If 3 perks is such a nit ... then why perk it at all. I fail to believe that a 3 perk cost will motivate anybody to make another choice. If a perk cost does not really cause a "pause" when deciding what to fly, then don't perk it at all.

Also, I don't believe that we need to motivate people to be more "carefull" ... the arena is already filled with pilots that won't engage unless they have a tremendous advantage and if they miss on the engagement, they extend .... all the way home.

Instead of burning all our brain cells trying to figure out ways to make people fly different aircraft, we should be thinking of and promoting ways to encourage fights.

So it's too small, it won't make a diff, yet everyone will fly it differently?

Rutilant · « **Reply #70 on:** October 10, 2003, 05:34:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
What a GREAT thread this has been!

I still think you've been drinking.

beet1e · « **Reply #71 on:** October 10, 2003, 05:57:12 PM »

Hehe, Mr. Toad. You sound like you're in Utopia.

I guess organised, co-ordinated flight with people working together would be too much like a busman's holiday for you.

Toad · « **Reply #72 on:** October 10, 2003, 06:20:06 PM »

I'm just overjoyed for you Beet! You'll have ALL THAT AND MORE in TOD.

Man... you could like be a...GENERAL or something!!!!!!!!!!!

Toad · « **Reply #73 on:** October 10, 2003, 06:20:47 PM »

(and then you really will be able to make people fly what you think they should fly!)

UTOPIA FOR YOU TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hajo · « **Reply #74 on:** October 10, 2003, 06:58:35 PM »

Been voicing my humble opinion for over three years here on this subject. IMHO the only aircraft that should be perked were the aircraft that ushered in a new era of flight.....jets and rocket powered aircraft only....but hey!...that's just my opinion. And to get worked up over what should be and not be perked is really ridiculous....after all...it's justa game

Why perk the ride....ya get fewer perkies for jaboing LOL and shooting down other craft anyway.