Author Topic: The Pledge of Allegiance... (Read 1276 times)

YUCCA · « **on:** October 14, 2003, 11:58:06 PM »

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=558&e=1&u=/ap/20031015/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_pledge_of_allegiance

Cheese anyone?

Chairboy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2003, 03:53:03 AM »

That was an extraordinarily brave thing for Scalia to do, and I think it confirms his character and judgement. Where's the cheese?

gofaster · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2003, 08:33:49 AM »

I think the reference to God should be corrected to what it should've said all along:

I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and toothy republics
for which it stands
One nation
Under all
with Liberty and just for squirrels.

Drunky · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2003, 11:59:40 AM »

If a communists lives in the U.S. and doesn't like the Republic for which it stands, can said communists sue to have the country changed to a communistic state?

If not, then why are we letting people sue to change things that this country was founded upon?

And if you might wonder: Yes, I support the Boy Scouts for not letting both aetheists and homosexuals into the Boy Scouts. Those are not principles that the Boy Scouts were founded upon. I wasn't in the Boy Scouts btw.

Furthermore, if I was a Satanists and joined a Christian church, could I sue to have all the references to God removed or replaced with Satan?

Freaking amazing what our country is being reduced to. Perhaps we need a good war to make people focus on the important, less trivialized things in life.

Bleeh

Frogm4n · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2003, 12:16:11 PM »

the pledge of allegiance was changed in the 50s. We should change it back to what it was.

Hawklore · « **Reply #5 on:** October 15, 2003, 12:21:18 PM »

It's real simple, keep God in there, who said they had to say God?

For crying out loud, I stand and have to listen people do there pledge to the so called "Christian Flag", and then the Bible..

I don't even mumble the words, a silent protest is all I need to do..

And well, noone's forced me to say it...

I don't see anywhere that is says we are forced to say the pledge with Under God in it, next thing is people suing for there kids hearing the word God on TV..

Frogm4n · « **Reply #6 on:** October 15, 2003, 12:30:08 PM »

We just dont want to see this country turned into a fudamentalist/terrorist state like iran or saudi arabia. Someone dropped the ball and let a nutjob sneak undergod into the pledge in the 50s, all they are doing now is trying to correct that mistake. Because this country isnt under one god, its under many Gods based on what an idividual believes.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #7 on:** October 15, 2003, 12:45:39 PM »

>>If not, then why are we letting people sue to change things that this country was founded upon?

I agree...
That's exactly what people are doing because "Under God" was not in the original pledge of allegiance.

And while we are at it... bring back only land owners can vote, and count every 5 black males as 1 person for the purpose of determining state representation, take away women's rights to vote...

Oh so much work to do... over 200 years of progress... let's go back to the founding principles... yes back to those moral principles that allowed white men to own black me, and white men to subjugate women and children... back to the good graces of a wholesome, puritan, and Christian God.

Back to the days of Salem when adultry was punishable by branding.

Those are were the principles this country was founded upon.

gofaster · « **Reply #8 on:** October 15, 2003, 12:52:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
the pledge of allegiance was changed in the 50s. We should change it back to what it was.

Good point.

I found this and thought it interesting:

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(Francis Bellamy's) original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

...

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

-- from http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

This was also right about the time that Senator Joe McCarthy was at the peak of his Communist witchhunt. Times have changed. Perhaps its time to remove "under God" and insert "equality".

That's the way Mr. Bellamy would've wanted it.

Eagler · « **Reply #9 on:** October 15, 2003, 12:53:42 PM »

amazin - the tards the freedom of this country has produced

wtg frogman - u & ur kind will save us from becoming IraqII !:rolleyes:

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2003, 01:02:11 PM »

I never understood the utility of forcing kids to recite that pledge every day. Reminds me of some kind of Hitler Youth or Komsomol brainwashing.

Animal · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2003, 01:06:32 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I never understood the utility of forcing kids to recite that pledge every day. Reminds me of some kind of Hitler Youth or Komsomol brainwashing.

Me too. Nothing wrong with the pledge, but forcing children to recite it every day zombie-like is kinda... creepy

Rude · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2003, 01:08:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
We just dont want to see this country turned into a fudamentalist/terrorist state like iran or saudi arabia. Someone dropped the ball and let a nutjob sneak undergod into the pledge in the 50s, all they are doing now is trying to correct that mistake. Because this country isnt under one god, its under many Gods based on what an idividual believes.

Wrong....the US was founded on the God of the Bible...folks move in and believe in other god's, that 's fine, it's a free country. They don't like the pledge, they are FREE not to say it.

gofaster · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2003, 01:09:52 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I never understood the utility of forcing kids to recite that pledge every day. Reminds me of some kind of Hitler Youth or Komsomol brainwashing.

Bingo. Its a common bond meant to make us all great, patriotic Americans. Its teaches us to think like a common society united under common ideals.

Kinda like reciting "this is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine" every night before the drill sergeant calls lights out.

Animal · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2003, 01:10:10 PM »

Its a pledge to the country, why did it have to also be converted into a pledge to a specific deity?

I dont get it.