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Offline Easyscor

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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2003, 02:27:05 PM »
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I hear you DR :) Lost lot of perk rides this way. I once asked HT online if something gonna be changed about it, he said no.
Darn.  I was hoping this might stand a chance and I don't care one wit about perk points.

btw In a normal program you might handle it with as few as three subroutines but it's much more difficult to hang subroutines off a third party data base application.
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2003, 07:14:31 PM »
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I hate to tell you this but EQ has no such feature, nor do any of SOE games.  If it did, I wouldn't get so many complaints of discos at work.


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I used to play EQ off and on for a couple years.  What it would do was remember your place in a group and if you came back within about 6 mins you would keep your place in the group as if nothing happened.  It would not move you around but it didn't totaly leave you in the lurch.

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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2003, 07:16:23 PM »
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I do love statments like this.

"What I'm asking is that there be some relatively simple code be added"

Just to give you a little idea.

1. In lots of cases the sever dosn't know you disco until you time out with no communication.
2. There is no simulation code running on the server.
 It would have to be added to keep your plane flying.

3. But wait you could fly into a mountain.
 There is no terrain on the host, let alone collision detection. Even worse getting 1 fast enof to be able to collide mutilple people ,And run there sim.

4.  What happens when you get shot down. Thats not handled on the server now.

5. But you could fly threw ack. There is no terrain on the server let alone AI for the ack to shoot at you.

Just a few quick thoughts, of that realatively simple code add.

Sorry not going to happen.

HiTech


Thanks for the constructive reply HiTech.  I said relatively simple and relatively is a rather open position since it's relative to other things such as designing a new flight model or TOD.  I did not mean to say it was trivial in nature since I didn't write the code.

Would you mind commenting about the following?

1. In lots of cases the sever dosn't know you disco until you time out with no communication.

What if you extend the timeout period up to about 1 min?  Folks CTD when they ALT-TAB back and forth once in a while as well as for other reasons.  This should fix those problems with no other work.

2. There is no simulation code running on the server.
 It would have to be added to keep your plane flying.

May or may not be feasible, simply knowing alt, speed and direction would carry you without the burden of flight code.

3. But wait you could fly into a mountain.
 There is no terrain on the host, let alone collision detection. Even worse getting 1 fast enof to be able to collide mutilple people ,And run there sim.

Clearly a problem, I assume AH2 does not have this functionality too so it would be painful

4.  What happens when you get shot down. Thats not handled on the server now.

Same as 3, easy way out if you get pinged you go kerplooey.

5. But you could fly threw ack. There is no terrain on the server let alone AI for the ack to shoot at you.

Same as 3, these would be significant issues.  Not sure how to solve it beyond my first suggestion of extending the timeout.  I agree with what you said about the complications with implementing this.  The only counter arguement I can make for it is based on all the times I have heard folks get ripped about discoing which seems to be far from uncommon.  There is no way you can control everything but you can build buffers into the system to absorb the inconsistencies that are inherent to the environment.  Happy people pay monthly bills , unhappy ones go away whether this one or any issue is worth dealing with is a business decision and you have your plate full there.  Thanks again for participating!
« Last Edit: October 24, 2003, 07:38:17 PM by rabbidrabbit »

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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2003, 08:06:55 PM »
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Originally posted by hitech
I do love statments like this.

"What I'm asking is that there be some relatively simple code be added"

Just to give you a little idea.

1. In lots of cases the sever dosn't know you disco until you time out with no communication.
2. There is no simulation code running on the server.
 It would have to be added to keep your plane flying.

3. But wait you could fly into a mountain.
 There is no terrain on the host, let alone collision detection. Even worse getting 1 fast enof to be able to collide mutilple people ,And run there sim.

4.  What happens when you get shot down. Thats not handled on the server now.

5. But you could fly threw ack. There is no terrain on the server let alone AI for the ack to shoot at you.

Just a few quick thoughts, of that realatively simple code add.

Sorry not going to happen.

HiTech


Looks like the real HiTech is posting again :)


And rabbit, all that = high cost and LAG LAG LAG!! , which in turn = more players *****ing and hitech loosing money.

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2003, 08:27:15 PM »
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Looks like the real HiTech is posting again :)


And rabbit, all that = high cost and LAG LAG LAG!! , which in turn = more players *****ing and hitech loosing money.


A potentially valid point, server CPU/memory load might be prohibitive or not.. Hard to say without testing.  If all those things need to be added beyond what was to be added otherwise than it would be a lot of work for some gain.  Maybe extending the time out as a grace period to let folks who CTD get back in would fix the problem with no serious pain.

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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2003, 02:41:29 AM »
rabbidrabbit I started thinking about this again, what about this.

Player A sees player B on his 6.  Player A engages auto pilot and Alt+F4s out just before entering the north face of a mountain.  Player A comes back 3 minutes later on the south side of the mountain.:rolleyes:

The point is that's what could happen and there’s probably much worse.  Anyway, both the server and the players FE would have to be rewritten to stop this sort of thing and you couldn't stop until it was embedded in every part of the game.
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Dewd...
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2003, 06:19:56 AM »
Dewd shut the hell up already.

Hitech said No.

shut the h--- Damn I already said that. -- Never mind if your like my kidz you won't listen anywayz.

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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2003, 10:47:04 AM »
lol  HiTech posted two minutes before my post got in and I didn't see it in the thread until now.  I was wondering where the quotes were coming from.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2003, 11:12:40 AM »
Just to add fuel to this debate... lets say that HiTech added code to resolve this dropped IP problem and perk points.


2 months later...
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Your flying along in your 262, and a 152 shows up on your six, you unplug your network cable because you don't want to loose your perk points.
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1 hour later...
152 pilot posts on the General forum that dweebs are discoing on purpose to avoid loosing perks and asked HiTech to do something about it. :rolleyes:

Problem is, there is NO WAY to tell the difference from a manual disco to a true network drop.

Crappy as it is to loose 200+ perks at a drop of a hat, especailly when you can see coming...i.e. UDP not responding, switching to TCP/IP messages, it's the nature of the internet beast.

If you're dropping off on a regular rate, change your ISP.  If you're playing and you've got good connection, then it's worth the risk. :)
« Last Edit: October 25, 2003, 11:15:15 AM by Mister Fork »
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Re: Dewd...
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2003, 11:44:34 AM »
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Dewd shut the hell up already.

Hitech said No.

shut the h--- Damn I already said that. -- Never mind if your like my kidz you won't listen anywayz.


Ever consider there is good reason why even your kids figured out that you are not worth listening to?   You have added nothing of value at all to this thread and for that matter to any other I have seen.  Go waste everyones time on some other message board if the best you can show for your self as a man is  trash talk people and derail threads.
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2003, 11:50:49 AM »
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Just to add fuel to this debate... lets say that HiTech added code to resolve this dropped IP problem and perk points.


2 months later...
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Your flying along in your 262, and a 152 shows up on your six, you unplug your network cable because you don't want to loose your perk points.
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1 hour later...
152 pilot posts on the General forum that dweebs are discoing on purpose to avoid loosing perks and asked HiTech to do something about it. :rolleyes:

Problem is, there is NO WAY to tell the difference from a manual disco to a true network drop.

Crappy as it is to loose 200+ perks at a drop of a hat, especailly when you can see coming...i.e. UDP not responding, switching to TCP/IP messages, it's the nature of the internet beast.

If you're dropping off on a regular rate, change your ISP.  If you're playing and you've got good connection, then it's worth the risk. :)



Ya, you have a good point.  Under the current situation thats a problem.  What confuses me is if the server is unaware of terrain, flight models etc how is it going to handle the AI aircraft in TOD?  Extending the timeout is a imperfect solution to a imperfect situation you will always have imperfection it's a matter of priorities.
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Re: Re: Dewd...
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2003, 01:15:09 PM »
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Ever consider there is good reason why even your kids figured out that you are not worth listening to?   You have added nothing of value at all to this thread and for that matter to any other I have seen.  Go waste everyones time on some other message board if the best you can show for your self as a man is  trash talk people and derail threads.


Before you make such claims be sure you go through my nearly 200 Posts. You continue to amaze me. -- You have GOT to be a shrink...

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2003, 01:36:49 PM »
If he was a shrink, wouldn't he be saying the root of all network problems is your mother?

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LOL
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2003, 01:45:50 PM »
LOl, No that was  Frued's Fetish. :)

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2003, 01:55:03 PM »
Does anyone else find it ironic that he had an obsessive-compulsive-disorder?