Incendiary .50 Cal

[indian]

Just watch the History channel with the Blacksheep Sqaudron playing. The former members that were interveiwed said the had incendiary .50 cals ammo. Zeros blew up quickly. I think we should have this ammo here and not just the armour peircing that we have now.

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[Frosty1]

Those would be nice. All those dirty chog flyers will feel my wraith of pain.  

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[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Frosty1:
Those would be nice. All those dirty chog flyers will feel my wraith of pain.  

I wonder if it would have enough penetration power; lets note that Zeke has no armour while F4u has and incendiary does not have armour penetration from the best end.

[minus]

hmmm y begg for incidentary am with AP balistic

cant beleve inc ammo can fly like the AP turbo laser

[Suave1]

Tracer ammo is incendiary ammo .

[Hooligan]

The most common ammunition for the US .50 M2 used in the air-to-air role was the M8 AP/I (Armor Piercing Incendiary) round.  Note that almost all air-to-air MGs usually fired a high proportion of incendiary rounds.

Projectile Data
Muzzle Velocity:  928 m/sec
Weight: 42.9g
Contains 1g of incendiary compound
Could penetrate about 23mm of face hardened or 25mm of homogenous armor at 100m

Here is some more data on the round
 http://home.earthlink.net/~jayboyer/50pen.htm
 http://home.earthlink.net/~jayboyer/50traj.htm

Here is a picture of a .50 AP/I round penetrating some armor plate
 http://home.earthlink.net/~jayboyer/50api.jpg

Hooligan


[This message has been edited by Hooligan (edited 10-29-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Hooligan (edited 10-29-2000).]

[Frosty1]

Fishu, the keyword is flyers.   .50 in the cockpit.  

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[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Frosty1:
Fishu, the keyword is flyers.   .50 in the cockpit.  

So you wan't to cook the pilot instead of boiling fuel tanks? hmh.. rather interesting use for incendiarys

[Maverick]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
I wonder if it would have enough penetration power; lets note that Zeke has no armour while F4u has and incendiary does not have armour penetration from the best end.

Fishu,

The armor is around the cockpit, not the fuel tanks. U.S. planes had self sealing fuel tanks to reduce the chance of leaking fuel igniting. Self sealing was not armor, projectiles would sail right through the tanks, the self sealing aspect kept the gas inside the tanks. Japanese planes particularly lacked this feature in the early to mid war models and were easy to ignite because of it. Any puncture of a tank caused the plane to bleed gasoline which in the presence of hot exhaust or incediary rounds led to a fire very rapidly.

Mav

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Maverick:
Fishu,

The armor is around the cockpit, not the fuel tanks. U.S. planes had self sealing fuel tanks to reduce the chance of leaking fuel igniting. Self sealing was not armor, projectiles would sail right through the tanks, the self sealing aspect kept the gas inside the tanks. Japanese planes particularly lacked this feature in the early to mid war models and were easy to ignite because of it. Any puncture of a tank caused the plane to bleed gasoline which in the presence of hot exhaust or incediary rounds led to a fire very rapidly.

Mav

Excuse me but B-17 has self sealing tanks that are armored.

[Midnight]

It would be nice to have that AP/I round in AH. It would really make those cannon lovers think a little about dueling with a P-51D. With that kind of penatration and terminal performance, it would take very few rounds to cause catastrophic damage to almost any fighter.

Give us those AP/I and I think that we will see that the CHOG becomes a dust collector in the hanger.

Midnight

[-ammo-]

Fishu, are you wondering if 50 caliber BMG has enough penetration for what target? There is no AC that will stop it within its effective range. Becuase of its muzzle velocity and its sectional density the it would have no problem making holes in AC skins. BTW-- incendiary rounds were no less armor peircing. The correct acronym today is API, armor peircing incendiary.

The reason I know-- It is my job in the USAF.

hence the name--- ammo

[Hooligan]

Midnight wrote:

 

It would be nice to have that AP/I round in AH.

Well I'm not so sure we don't have it already.  From what I can tell the Aces High damage model is mostly composed of large structural elements (i.e. planes tend to get killed by big pieces coming off).  Planes don't catch on fire nearly as much as they did in the real world.  And I've never seen my plane take damage to any of the following:  controls, hydrallics, oxygen bottles, ammuntion boxes, fuel injection system, etc.. etc...  I really doubt that penetration is modelled in the current damage system, and incendiary effects clearly are missing.  So, with the existing damage system I can't think of a meaningful difference that having AP/I ammo would make in the game.

Personally given the large number of critical components crowded into fighter aircraft that were vulnerable to a single armor-piercing hit, I think the the lethality of MGs relative to cannons in AH is somewhat lower than it should be.  Almost all MGs fired AP/I rounds and an across-the-board increase in ALL MG lethality to represent the high probability of getting a critical hit would certainly be welcomed by me.

Hooligan

[Maverick]

Fishu,

I don't recall anyone mentioning B17's. And the "armor" on B17's tanks was pretty damn weak.

Only REALLY armored plane was the from soviets.