Author Topic: what kinda gun do you bring to a beetle fight? (Read 2214 times)

Airhead · « **Reply #45 on:** October 26, 2003, 09:00:11 AM »

I'm glad you and Tomato arrived home safely, Beatle- my wife and I enjoyed visiting with you, albeit briefly. That's my only complaint about the Mini-Con- there wasn't enough time to get to know everyone, and some people I didn't get to say hi to even.

~~, say Hi to Tomato for us.~~

beet1e · « **Reply #46 on:** October 26, 2003, 01:53:35 PM »

Airhead! Nice to met you and Stephanie.

Yes, a good visit with Lazs. I recommend it to anyone. Lazs lives just off the I-80 freeway, and his address is 1313 Mockingbird Lane, Dixon.

I think Lazs needs to understand the difference between "fearing guns", and "fearing the fact that anyone can just go out and buy the type of gun we fired on Monday". As far as I am aware, I do not "fear guns", or I would not have gone on Monday's jaunt with Lazs. But with weapons like these available to the US community as a whole, and not just Lazs, there will continue to be thousands of people in the US killed by guns every year.

I was able to put myself into the position of rank newbie, and examine some of the mistakes some people might make. Pulling the slider back on the semi auto guns was a little tricky; one time I hadn't pulled it all the way back, and we had a round jam in the chamber. An elderly person with arthritic hands might not have managed it at all - a consideration for those thinking of arming themselves against outside attack.

On a lighter note, here are a few of my pics.

Lazs in his element with the .44 Magnum

Lazs with a semi auto (can't remember which one) NOT the .44 magnum, so "virtual viagra" effect does not apply.

Lazs gives instruction to Tomato. Hey, Lazs, I'm jealous. I never got this kind of TLC, and I never got to feel those manly arms around me, or those manly shovel like hands on my dainty sewing hands...

End of the shoot. I wonder what Messrs Alamo Car Rental would have thought about one of their cars being used to transport guns, and being used as the base for our shoot...

Habu · « **Reply #47 on:** October 26, 2003, 09:50:40 PM »

Cool Pics.

Leslie · « **Reply #48 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:04:26 AM »

Just a comment. Don't know who that is in the pics, because this is the internet and all , but all of the shooters seem too front facing while firing the pistols.

I usually face more sideways, exposing less of my body (though nowadays it probably would be the same whether facing front of sideways...lol.) Plus, I learned to slightly bend my left elbow and hold the gun closer to my body.

Sideways, and with gun held close with bent left elbow supporting, and slightly bent right firing arm. My left elbow is about 3 inches from my stomach when I go pistol shooting.

Les

Frogm4n · « **Reply #49 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:07:12 AM »

my noodle is so big i wouldnt need to bring a gun to a fight. I just drop my pants and peace and good will toward man follows.

Leslie · « **Reply #50 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:56:02 AM »

Well, to be honest, I don't carry a gun any more. Don't feel like I need to. If I get an uneasy feeling, I have a permit to carry. But would need more practice, and I'm not law enforcement or anything, so I haven't had special training. I was taught this by friends of mine. They don't carry guns either. They're big and menacing looking enough that no one bothers them. And they don't go places where trouble might happen, like bars, etc...

I do go deer hunting on occasion. The main thing there.. is to be extremely careful with a rifle when in camp or climbing up into a stand.

You can't be too careful!!!

Another thing about carrying a gun is the "grappling factor" if you got in a fist fight with someone. The gun could be dislodged if it's not secured well or you fumble it, and land on the ground, where it would be of no use. It might only get in the way.

So you're right Frogman, if you were refering to my post. Didn't mean it to sound like I'm an expert with a handgun, though it may have sounded that way.

Carrying a gun, for most people, is not a good idea. It's a matter of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing for some. For others it may be slowed reflexes or poor vision. It is an awesome responsibility that must be taken seriously. Truely a long journey.

Les

beet1e · « **Reply #51 on:** October 27, 2003, 04:25:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
My left elbow is about 3 inches from my stomach when I go pistol shooting.

That means nothing in America.

Tomato had never been to the US before, and was amazed at the sheer size of so many of the people we ran into. We were careful to avoid carbo-hydrate at every opportunity - fresh fruit instead of french fries etc...

Hooligan · « **Reply #52 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:36:17 AM »

Ummmmm actually fresh fruit is filled with carbohydrates...

Hooligan

lazs2 · « **Reply #53 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:36:43 AM »

leslie... The accepted way now is to face forward... I sand one foot in front of the other in a modified weaver... even tho I never knew what it was called till some instructor told me... I told the limey's that they should stand however they felt comfortable.... stances are like eggs... one day they are good the next not... do what is comfortable.

I know that most of the pics son't show it but I really don't have an "American" gut.

My real address is 666 misogenist place.

frogm.. i don't think whipping out your little green froggy wee wee will make any princess kiss you.. Maybe daddy will buy you a woman?

beetle... I know you don't "fear" guns. What you do fear is me owning them. I would not make the cut for gun ownership according to most... I would be a criminal under any other countries laws... I don't fear any man owning a gun and that is the difference. I believe we are all born with the same rights... What you do with them and how we deal with people who abuse their rights is the real issue not whether to take away rights in the first place.
lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #54 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:58:14 AM »

Hiya Hooligan! We talked about you on Monday! All good.

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Originally posted by Hooligan
Ummmmm actually fresh fruit is filled with carbohydrates...

It has some carbohydrate, that is true. But not as much as potatoes and pasta. I'm wearing the proof - a belt buckle that is 2 notches tighter than 4 months ago - and I lost all that in 2 weeks.

Lazs I don't fear you owning guns. You are very safety conscious and you also lock your guns away in that huge safe. That's good considering you told me someone tried to break into the house while you weren't there. But I saw quite a few wackos in San Francisco that week.

But Misogynist Place looked peaceful when I was there. I could live there without a gun, but I'd have a locksmith replace some of those locks...

...which reminds me, I must get a Chubb lock fitted to my front door at the new house. I've always had Chubb locks fitted to all the external doors of all properties that I've ever lived in - including the rented flat that I moved to when *she* booted me out... Never had so much as an attempted break in. My thinking is that a burglar would go to another house which didn't have a Chubb lock on the door. In any case, they usually go for side windows or the French window - got Chubb locks on all those as well. House was still here when I got home from CA yesterday.

lazs2 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:05:47 AM »

beetle... you say you don't fear me owning guns... I gather that means all the guns I own and the way I like to own them? What would your restrictions on gun ownership be? would you just visit each potential gun owner and make a decision or would there be some sort of legal guideline?
lazs

Rude · « **Reply #56 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:09:41 AM »

Glad ya had fun Beetle...btw, most folks in this country are serious about gun ownership....they have grown up with guns and take the responsibility seriously, much as Lazs does.

beet1e · « **Reply #57 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:25:41 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... you say you don't fear me owning guns... I gather that means all the guns I own and the way I like to own them? What would your restrictions on gun ownership be? would you just visit each potential gun owner and make a decision or would there be some sort of legal guideline?
lazs

Well Lazs, it's like this. We cannot have laws that operate on an individual basis. We have no (or few) guns here, so I'll pick another example. In the UK, we have a maximum speed limit of 70mph on all roads - lower speed limits on some roads. Now I'd be quite happy cruising at 120, just as I do in Germany. But the law says 70 - because there are dorks who are unsafe at 40, never mind 70, but a compromise was reached. I have to accept that 70 limit, but I'll do 90 if I think I can get away with it, and I have: Clean UK driving record. But at 120 I'd stick out like a sore thumb, and would lose my licence if caught. And with all the technology *they* have now, that's highly probable.

So I have to take my lumps like everyone else. I'd love to be able to drive my Golf along the M4 at 120. But it would be cheaper to get over to Germany to do that. The three-lane autobahnen radiating out of Munich are awesome.

If British society was pumped full of guns as it would be if you were to replace Tony Blair as PM (and Hell, I'd vote for you if the choice was between you and TB) our gun related homicide rate would rise from its current 50-100 up to 1500-3000. Of that I am in no doubt.

But in the US, the genie is out of the bottle, and you have your second amendment. The price that is paid for that is 300,000 gun related deaths in 25 years. And that's just homicides. I'm sure there have been thousands of accidental deaths too.

Rude - I accept what you say, but there is a large minority of folks who are much less careful and competent than Lazs. The US gun related homicide stats speak for themselves.

Swoop · « **Reply #58 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:56:05 AM »

????

I took my R6 along the entire length of the M4 (Kew roundabout to the M5/M4 junction at Bristol) at 115mph all the way one sunny sunday afternoon a few summers ago. Has the plod gotton serious about the M4 now?

beet1e · « **Reply #59 on:** October 27, 2003, 10:09:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Swoop
I took my R6 along the entire length of the M4 (Kew roundabout to the M5/M4 junction at Bristol) at 115mph all the way one sunny sunday afternoon a few summers ago. Has the plod gotton serious about the M4 now?

Yes. There are numerous cameras in the five miles or so leading towards the elevated section at Brentford, going towards London. There's an isolated speed camera pointed down the eastbound side between Newbury and Reading, and probably others that I don't know about.

You were very lucky to get away with that 115. A friend of mine got done at that very same speed going anticlockwise on the M25 between Essex and Hertfordshire. He didn't say how he got caught. He got a £500 fine and a four week ban. I don't know how many points he got. I've never needed to fully understand the current points system - touch wood.