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Offline Sixpence

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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2003, 03:23:24 PM »
But why would a third, fourth, or fifth party cause the injuries? she could have had sex with twenty guys, did they all grab her by the throat? is that part of normal sex? Or is it part of forced sex?
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2003, 03:25:24 PM »
Will they have to wip out there dorks?
In that case I think Kobe has that some one beat LOL.
I would Imagine He is Hung like a mule.:eek:
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2003, 03:29:34 PM »
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But why would a third, fourth, or fifth party cause the injuries? she could have had sex with twenty guys, did they all grab her by the throat? is that part of normal sex? Or is it part of forced sex?


No, only one needs to grab her by the throat, but the question becomes "which one" Before, Kobe was the only possible suspect, since he was the only one who was known to have had sex with the woman.  It was my impression from the quote, that the evidence in her skivies could be used to show that she'd had sex with someone else at or around the same tmie as she did with Kobe. If that's the case, now he's one of two possibilities, instead of one of one.

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2003, 03:31:20 PM »
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She is not on trial, he is. You are making Eagler's point.


Sixpence, I understand Eagler's point.  

However, you don't seem to understand that when the sole source of evidence is the accuser, the accuser is in fact "on trial."

My original post "3rd party dna present in her drawers" raises the obvious question (someone else did it) as well as character issues (can a groupie be trusted to give accurate testimony.)  

The character issue is gigantic because the young woman is going to get rich off of this.  Can she be trusted to give accurate testimony?

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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2003, 03:36:16 PM »
So if a woman goes out on a date, has sex. She then goes out the next night and has sex with someone else. She goes out the next the night and has sex with yet another man. She goes out the fourth night on a date with another man who rapes her. Is she discredited because she had sex the three previous nights with different men? No. It has no bearing on the person who is on trial, although his lawyer will bring it up and try to smear the victim. In most cases the jury sees right through this, and it backfires on the defendant.
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2003, 03:42:29 PM »
My point has nothing to do with credibility.

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2003, 03:43:47 PM »
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My point has nothing to do with credibility.

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Then why does having sex with someone else change things?
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2003, 03:44:07 PM »
You guys remember the trial in Amarillo years ago where a woman was found raped and murdered in a motel room?  This was *before* DNA testing. Investigation turned up a pair of mens briefs.  I don't remember this part, but they somehow connected the underwear to the guy in next room.

He was charged and quickly convicted of murder.  As best as I recall, he was sentenced to die.

Before they executed him, DNA testing arrived and he was cleared and subsequently released.

It was determined that a room maid had picked his underwear up from the floor and dropped them on her cart.  She forgot about the underwear and when cleaning the victim's room (before she was murdered), the underwear fell from her cart.

So yes, reasonable doubt is extremely important in the Kobe Bryant case (hell, all cases.)  The presence of 3/4/whatever party dna in her underwear finishes the case for me.  Unless Kobe confesses, he's innocent.

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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2003, 03:44:47 PM »
Reasonable doubt.
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2003, 03:48:29 PM »
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So yes, reasonable doubt is extremely important in the Kobe Bryant case (hell, all cases.)  The presence of 3/4/whatever party dna in her underwear finishes the case for me.  Unless Kobe confesses, he's innocent.

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Yep, having sex with someone else puts alot of doubt there.
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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2003, 03:54:31 PM »
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Then why does having sex with someone else change things?


It creates an "alternate theory" of the crime, which is a good chunk of reasonable doubt.

But I've already said that.

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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2003, 03:58:19 PM »
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It creates an "alternate theory" of the crime, which is a good chunk of reasonable doubt.

But I've already said that.

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What would that theory be?
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« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2003, 03:59:17 PM »
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Sixpence, I understand Eagler's point.  

However, you don't seem to understand that when the sole source of evidence is the accuser, the accuser is in fact "on trial."

My original post "3rd party dna present in her drawers" raises the obvious question (someone else did it) as well as character issues (can a groupie be trusted to give accurate testimony.)  

The character issue is gigantic because the young woman is going to get rich off of this.  Can she be trusted to give accurate testimony?

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Can he be trusted to give it as well, he said at first he did not have sex with her then changed that story, I call that a lie as well.

I really love the gold-digger approach that would not work if he is found guilty as he wont make much money in jail. If she were a gold-digger this would be over and not even in the media. They would have settled and she would have a mil or two, end of story, she is past the point of an out of court settlement.

I really don't think she is going to get rich off this at all.


How do you go from the "DNA in her drawers" to her being a groupie?

Could she have a boyfriend that she lives with?

Big leap there, have you an axe to grind?:confused:
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« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2003, 04:00:12 PM »
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Why, did she say the third party raped her?


Who's to say the 3rd party didn't rape her, but she chose to point the finger at Kobe because of his deep pockets?  A criminal conviction would open the door to a very financially-rewarding civil trial.
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« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2003, 04:03:00 PM »
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So if a woman goes out on a date, has sex. She then goes out the next night and has sex with someone else. She goes out the next the night and has sex with yet another man. She goes out the fourth night on a date with another man who rapes her. Is she discredited because she had sex the three previous nights with different men? No. It has no bearing on the person who is on trial, although his lawyer will bring it up and try to smear the victim. In most cases the jury sees right through this, and it backfires on the defendant.


Did she change underwear each night?
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