Author Topic: Father-daughter chat (Read 1124 times)

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #15 on:** October 24, 2003, 11:02:59 AM »

Geez give up with the propaganda campaign already nexus. Did you just discover politics or something? How about stop trying to derail meaningful threads with cut and paste partisan BS? There are still many options for those who want to continue their education in the U.S. including military service or saving money to pay for classes. And don't tell me it can't be done since I paid for my Bachelors by myself and my wife did the same for her MD. Where there is a will there is a way and you don't need politicians to take your money and give you 60 cents on the dollar back.

Zippatuh · « **Reply #16 on:** October 24, 2003, 11:04:18 AM »

As to the original thread

As for Nexus… it’s the right to PERSUE happiness. Not the RIGHT of happiness.

Don’t have the money for school? Go for the scholarship or take out a loan.

Pursuit, key word, pursuit

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LePaul · « **Reply #17 on:** October 24, 2003, 11:09:30 AM »

Sigh

Nexus needs counselling or something

When you come to work and your papers are shuffled, is that GWB's fault too?

Oh look...black helicopter!

Leslie · « **Reply #18 on:** October 24, 2003, 04:46:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Leslie, hypothetical question: If you as a teacher could give everyone in your class knowledge, and all you had to do was tell them the answers, would you? Not that I am defending the practice of giving answers to a test right before the test, just wondering how people view knowledge and its acquisition...

Hi Kieran. Good to see you back.

I was speaking from personal experience as a student, and refering to five instances in my case. In two cases, the courses were freshmen science classes (Chemistry and Biology.) The professors reasoned that most students taking the course were fulfilling a requirement of their general curriculum, and therefore not going into that particular field. They saw no need to make it tough on such students, who could probably better use their study time on subjects within their majors. They were easy-going professors, and those students who showed up for class and listened could not possibly fail.

One statistics class (lab) was geared so that having the answers wouldn't have mattered on exams. There was only one exam that took 8 hours and had six questions, of which you chose three to answer. The process was more important than the correct answer, and you had to show every step of how you arrived at an answer. This required about 30 pages of notebook paper to hand in.

The other two classes were a 200 level English class and a 400 level Spanish class. In the case of the English class, there was a minor hurricane blowing outside on a class day. The professor was there and classes had not been canceled. Only three students showed, and as a reward to those students, the professor told us exactly what to study for the mid term, which was about two weeks away. This was a very tough professor and a lucky break for me.

The Spanish class was Latin American Literature. The professor did not stay in the room during the mid term. She treated us as adults...open book and all the notes we could fit on two 4 x 6" index cards. Even then a couple classmates tried to copy other's notes, because they didn't study. I considered that cheating and did not cooperate. For the final, the class was split in half, some at a conference table in the faculty office, and the others in a classroom.

Btw, one of the biggest "cheaters" is currently employed as a teacher in one of our local "magnet" schools. Magnet schools are public schools with high performance results. So he must be a good teacher, though I was not impressed with him as a fellow student in that particular class.

Several years after graduation, one of my Spanish professors called me up to see if I wanted a job teaching Spanish at a private school. This was to replace a teacher who was leaving. He lamented that virtually all of the graduates being turned out were not Spanish majors, but Education majors taking Spanish with the idea of teaching it. He was not very complimentary toward them...called them stupid!!!

I'm a professional artist, and chose not to take this job, though I might have if thought I could do both that and keep up with my art at the same time. Guess it's not in my personality to teach, however I have great respect for good teachers, and I believe you are one of those Kieran.

About the hypothetical question. I believe there is a difference between knowledge and thinking (wisdom.) I'll approach this question from an artist's point of view. I could show someone how to mix colors, how to prepare a canvas, how to use perspective and compose the image so it's balanced. I could give them knowledge about design elements. I could take them to a museum and analyze works of the masters. I could even suggest how to give a painting "soul." So yes, I would give all the answers, especially to serious students planning on going into the field with that knowledge. In this case it would save time in an advanced class.

What I can't do is tell someone what to paint, or teach them "how" to paint. That is learned through many years of trial and error. There is a saying as applied to artists: No matter what you (paint) or how poorly it's done, do it long enough and over time it becomes legitimate.

Sorry for the long post folks. Wanted to reply to Kieran's post.

Les

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** October 24, 2003, 04:51:36 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
So a person's ability to go to college should be determined by their parents income?

Republicans equate having money is the same as working hard and having good values, and those who don't have money are lazy.

Actually, this country is chock full of people that think prosperity and success are the same thing. It's not a partisan thing.

mrblack · « **Reply #20 on:** October 24, 2003, 04:52:16 PM »

Set record for most executions by any governor in American history

Yup and as one Texan Damn glad he did:aok

Samiam · « **Reply #21 on:** October 24, 2003, 05:28:27 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
As I write this, the guy in the office next to me is reading the NY Times and won't be "working" for another hour or so.

Is nobody else going to comment on the irony of this statement?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #22 on:** October 24, 2003, 06:32:54 PM »

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Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America.

Houston didn't change. It was the Hollywood lefties driving alternate energy cars that cleaned up the LA airshed.

Otto · « **Reply #23 on:** October 24, 2003, 07:17:40 PM »

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Those two alone make him the best President since Ronald Reagan .

Kieran · « **Reply #24 on:** October 24, 2003, 07:53:15 PM »

Thanks for the reply, Leslie.

I would do whatever worked to give the students the information I was tasked to pass on. No way word-of-mouth takes the place of experience of course, but sometimes I read people's comments on teaching and feel perhaps people view education as some sort of gauntlet that should be run, and the more difficult, the better. To do it right, the participant should be battered within an inch of his or her life.

No way your professors should ever just hand you the answers- the questions, perhaps, if you are going to have to write an essay summing up what you have learned in the course (for instance), but generally that should not be done. But, as we know, there are bad teachers...

Lizard3 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 24, 2003, 07:53:31 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
He and the Republican party, basically are crooks... His hard work involves stealing from every one else and giving to himself.

Stealing? STEALING!

By chance do you find employment in a University or College?

yowser · « **Reply #26 on:** October 24, 2003, 08:07:29 PM »

I have decided I am going to be a conservative and join the Republican party.

Can somebody suggest a place where I can get a cheap lobotomy?.....or is it free with membership?

Thank you in advance.

yowser

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #27 on:** October 24, 2003, 08:11:56 PM »

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Originally posted by yowser
I have decided I am going to be a conservative and join the Republican party.

Can somebody suggest a place where I can get a cheap lobotomy?.....or is it free with membership?

Thank you in advance.

yowser

The Democratic / Liberal version is a much more extensive procedure requiring a much longer hospital stay and therefore is much more expensive.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2003, 09:06:16 PM »

Ahh the "World Court", where the USA would be tried by Iranian, Syrian, North Korean, even French judges.... The wet dream of every USA hating leftist degenerate....

Twist · « **Reply #29 on:** October 24, 2003, 09:16:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Otto
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Those two alone make him the best President since Ronald Reagan .

I don't use this phrase often but in this case I simply feel that I must... F'KIN A BUBBA!!

Stay tuned, theres more to come