Author Topic: Considering on picking up a new 9mm (Read 2557 times)

Furious · « **Reply #30 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:10:45 AM »

Icy Hot Stuntaz fully endorse this gun choice.

mrblack · « **Reply #31 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:26:40 AM »

Rip Please if you get this gun you will also have to have a Pink Caddy to drive around all You'r ho's:aok

When it comes to ACP one word KIMBER!!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #32 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:37:37 AM »

Can you get that gun without the gold plated stuff?

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:51:04 AM »

dune... the cz and clones don't have a barrel bushing so that can be a problem. I actually used my wire feed to weld a bead into the muzzle area of the slide and hand filed it to fit. They are not as accurate as revolvers in any case.

dago... 357 is about the second best all around round next to the 44 mag. With the cz and witness you can change calibers in literally seconds.... you can go from 22 to 45 in about 15 seconds. I know... I have that setup..
lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #34 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:09:36 AM »

think she meant 9 inches not millimeters

Dune · « **Reply #35 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:54:39 PM »

Lazs, I'm interested in what problem you ran into that you felt the need to create a bushing for your CZ. My dad and I have both fired lots of rounds through his without a hiccup. And I found the accuracy to be very good.

And, being a .45 Auto fan, would argue that it is a better all-around cartridge than the .44Mag. Less recoil and its smaller package make it much more adaptable to semi-auto's than the .44Mag. While it doesn't have the pure stopping power the .44 does, it lends itself to smaller frame auto's much better. It wont hunt like the .44, but there are other cartridges that outdo the .44, such as the .454 Casull. Or any number of cartridges you can put in a Thompson Contender. The .45 is the limit of what most people can use effectively in rapid fire situations. It's not easy to double-tap a .44

But that's my opinion.

Dago · « **Reply #36 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:18:47 PM »

Ah, come on Laz, the revolver is a dinosaur. I am not a competitive shooter, other than a couple annual bowling pin shoots, but it sure seems that all shooters I see shooting in competition, either in person, magazines or on TV are all shooting autos. Cant remember too many, or any actually, revolvers.

What is the best caliber? That issue is and always will be purely subjective in nature. A lot of differant studies have been done, certainly showing differant results. The 357 comes out okay, but not the best, but hey, if you like it, you like it.

Dune had some good stuff to say, I am a fan of the .45, enjoy shooting the .44 mag for the noise, compression and just plain fun, but it is too much a monster for most people and situations. Only way I like shooting it is with a good auto like Desert Eagle.

The 9mm became popular I think because of the high capacity handguns it became available in. Not a particularly great round, but if you were a bad shot, you could at least spray a while. My choice was practice to control, you know, kind of a quality versus quantity thing. Right now my 45 needs a new barrel, bushing and slide tightening because of all the rounds I have run through it. (estimate somewhere between 2500 and 3000 rounds).

Regardless, I wonder if this whole thread was a big troll so we could make fun of that ghetto gat?

dago

Dune · « **Reply #37 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:44:39 PM »

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capt. apathy · « **Reply #38 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:12:10 PM »

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What is the best caliber? That issue is and always will be purely subjective in nature.

yep, everyone has there favorite. I like the 9mm for auto's, light accurate fairly good sized round traveling fairly fast.

revolvers the way to go for acuracy, but then everybody's got a favorite caliber for that too, put me down for the .41 for a good alaround revolver.

the .45LC is a great load too, and if you get it in a nice blackhawk you can push the pressure up to the .44 mag range which can give the .45LC hand-loads more power than your .44 factorys. I've loaded up a few that hot and was amazed at results. I don't do it that often though, as the standard .45LC load is such a sweet load as far as recoil and acuracy. I had a rugar vaquero (sp?) a few years back that was probably the most comfortable shooting revolver I've ever owned. you could keep a can airborn through all six rounds on single action.

Dago · « **Reply #39 on:** October 27, 2003, 11:51:43 PM »

Shot a .41 one time, seemed to be a good round. 45LC is very good also, but I like a pistol more than a wheel gun. Personal choice I guess. Makes me feel like Sonny Crockett.

Just kidding.

Really, the most fun is still a .22, with a pistol or rifle. Fun to plink, costs are low as heck, next to no recoil or noise and makes them old pop cans bounce.

dago

Ripsnort · « **Reply #40 on:** October 28, 2003, 07:36:42 AM »

Fired a friends S&W 40 yesterday at the gun range. MAN thats a nice piece. Spendy though

lazs2 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 28, 2003, 08:26:08 AM »

dune... the witness I welded shot 5 inch groups... there was no barrel bushing to replace... several gunsmiths told me the accepted method was to get a new slide or "peen" the end of the slide and hone it back out... I just like to add metal rather than move it around. My son gave me his witness because he figured I could fix it after the other ones slide issue.

as for 45 vs 44... no comparrison. half the energy in a 45 less selection in bullet weights and styles.... the 45 is suited for short range work... 25 maybe 50 yards... the 44 is a plinkers dream.... 20-500 yards and you don't have to pick up the brass afterwards. double taps are overrated IMO... pretty much in real life too. I like the 45 but it is no match for a revolver in the field. for defense and nightstand duty and carry... it is a good round. The 44 is the best compromise in power and weight that I can think of. 454 just goes a little over the top for me... my cut down 44 and dan wesson with 4" barrel are both very good handling guns and for my big hands they are much more usable than most if not all autoloaders. I would love to go out shooting in the dessert with you and show you why the 44 is king and why the 45 is not really a serious field gun.

dago.... I am a dinosour but.... let's not write off the revolver just yet... Marshalls study... the only comprehensive one out there.... puts the king of all one shot stoppers to be..... the 357 revolver with 125 grain Hp's... probly the 44 with hydroshoks will surpass it but that study was done before any were used in real life.

Many competitive pin shooters are using revolvers... 8 shot 357's with full moon clips... they reload faster than autos and are more accurate... they win over autos every time... did you know that the fastest gun from holster to bullet on target is still...... the single action revolver.

they are dinosours but what they did thenm they still can do today.... they can do it even better... besides... ever try to pistol whip someone with a plastic gun?
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 28, 2003, 08:33:52 AM »

rip.. the .40 is infinitly better than the 9mm. The .40 is probly, realisticly, the king right now... the ol 45 has so many fans tho that they are constantly developing new loads for it to keep it up there near the top... it will probly never die but the .40 is more versitile... higher velocity gives you more choice... just that simple.

The witness (cz clone) is cheap... all steel and about 400 buck in the caliber of your choice... you can buy conversion kits for it for any caliber you may latter want including 9, 40, 45 .357 sig, 10mm and 22. The rubber grips are terrible but the wood grips give the gun an extremely nice grip angle and feel... the gun is double or single action and simple as a rock to fields strip and clean or convert calibers. Sorry.... doesn't come in a pimp version.

damn... think I will break out the ol witness.... remove the 22 conversion and slide on the compensated 45 slide and barel group.... pop in a 45 magazine and go see how it shoots compared to the Kimber 45 I shot yesterday.
lazs

Dune · « **Reply #43 on:** October 28, 2003, 09:22:37 AM »

Lazs, my dad has a 629 Smith in .44 and a 25 Smith in .45 Long Colt (actually, you and he would probably get along quite well. He's a fan of big wheel guns also). I've shot them both many times.

I guess I'm just a blind fan of Colt's 1911 Gov't Model. Although I do agree that if I was handgun hunting, I would use a revolver rather than an automatic. Or my Thompson Contender in .22-250 Rem.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #44 on:** October 28, 2003, 09:48:00 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
rip.. the .40 is infinitly better than the 9mm. The .40 is probly, realisticly, the king right now... the ol 45 has so many fans tho that they are constantly developing new loads for it to keep it up there near the top... it will probly never die but the .40 is more versitile... higher velocity gives you more choice... just that simple.

The witness (cz clone) is cheap... all steel and about 400 buck in the caliber of your choice... you can buy conversion kits for it for any caliber you may latter want including 9, 40, 45 .357 sig, 10mm and 22. The rubber grips are terrible but the wood grips give the gun an extremely nice grip angle and feel... the gun is double or single action and simple as a rock to fields strip and clean or convert calibers. Sorry.... doesn't come in a pimp version.

damn... think I will break out the ol witness.... remove the 22 conversion and slide on the compensated 45 slide and barel group.... pop in a 45 magazine and go see how it shoots compared to the Kimber 45 I shot yesterday.
lazs

Thanks Lazs. Still shopping, maybe I'll make a choice by christmas (I hope!)