Aces High Bulletin Board

General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: badhorse on November 07, 2009, 05:09:38 PM

Title: Scoring question
Post by: badhorse on November 07, 2009, 05:09:38 PM
Wondering if there is a way to make it so that running resupply with an M3, LVT or Goon would not count against your score.  As it is if you run some supplies out with an M3 or LVT it counts as a vehicle sortie. A Goon counts as a bomber sortie.  Seems like the Kill per Sortie data would be skewed.

Just wondering.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: BiPoLaR on November 07, 2009, 05:10:55 PM
Wondering if there is a way to make it so that running resupply with an M3, LVT or Goon would not count against your score.  As it is if you run some supplies out with an M3 or LVT it counts as a vehicle sortie. A Goon counts as a bomber sortie.  Seems like the Kill per Sortie data would be skewed.

Just wondering.
are you serious?
wow, who gives a rats left hoohoo about score? really
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Lusche on November 07, 2009, 05:13:38 PM
This is only an "issue" if you are going for #1 or 2.

In every other case, the amount of "hurt" is negligible.

Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: EskimoJoe on November 07, 2009, 05:13:49 PM
are you serious?
wow, who gives a rats left hoohoo about score? really

Way to be helpful.  :rolleyes:

Wondering if there is a way to make it so that running resupply with an M3, LVT or Goon would not count against your score.  As it is if you run some supplies out with an M3 or LVT it counts as a vehicle sortie. A Goon counts as a bomber sortie.  Seems like the Kill per Sortie data would be skewed.

Just wondering.

Don't want to ruin your K/Sortie ratio? Don't run supps. Common sense.
Don't want to ruin your Landed - Ditch/crash/fail ratio? Land or end sortie on pavement.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: BiPoLaR on November 07, 2009, 05:16:04 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: badhorse on November 07, 2009, 05:19:59 PM
I run supplies all the time.  I am not worried about it. That's why I posted it here and not in the Wishlist.
To be honest I expected those who qualify to play the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz to start flaming. 
Like I said, I was just wondering.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: mia389 on November 07, 2009, 05:20:46 PM
I dont think its right to bomb and bail repeat. Thats very gamey. K/D is important to me, but score is not.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: EskimoJoe on November 07, 2009, 05:22:09 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: BiPoLaR on November 07, 2009, 05:23:12 PM
See Rule #2
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Lusche on November 07, 2009, 05:48:54 PM
Maybe because you are reducing score to pure K/D. But that's only a small part in score, and if you are a runner, you will get a good K/D, but a bad K/T and probably a bad K/S too.

The importance of  K/D for a "good score" is usually vastly overrated.

And this one
See Rule #4

is a funny statement about "timid players" by someone bailing from his buffs to prevent a fight (and "giving them a kill")  ;)
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Crash Orange on November 07, 2009, 06:09:35 PM
Wondering if there is a way to make it so that running resupply with an M3, LVT or Goon would not count against your score.  As it is if you run some supplies out with an M3 or LVT it counts as a vehicle sortie. A Goon counts as a bomber sortie.  Seems like the Kill per Sortie data would be skewed.


OTOH you get completely unearned perks for resupplying a field, so it's kind of a wash. And it's hardly the worst choice this game presents between score and helping your team. Anyone who ups for field defense against heavy odds is hurting his score, but I have a lot more fun by not worrying about that.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: 68ZooM on November 07, 2009, 06:19:02 PM
Who cares about scores, Its about the fun you have with other people and friendships made, I expect a oneway flight most of the time , but im having fun doing it
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 07, 2009, 09:06:39 PM
Here's a thought. make strat buildings take 3'k to kill and spread them out. Then you would see guys going for score have to fight. instead of changing sides or waiting for strats behind their own lines. so they face no ememy. Can't do this add 5" manable guns at  strats . 1 each corner and hav3e he and aaa so gvs fear strat too. make it u want great bomb % for score you have to hit a town. then you'll see who might be good at bombing and fighting off cons. Not score with no chance of dying.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 07, 2009, 09:36:29 PM
I dont think its right to bomb and bail repeat. Thats very gamey. K/D is important to me, but score is not.


meh, its still not that big a deal. The only way it matters if if your going for in the top 10.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 08, 2009, 03:28:41 AM
Here's a thought. make strat buildings take 3'k to kill and spread them out. Then you would see guys going for score have to fight. instead of changing sides or waiting for strats behind their own lines. so they face no ememy. Can't do this add 5" manable guns at  strats . 1 each corner and hav3e he and aaa so gvs fear strat too. make it u want great bomb % for score you have to hit a town. then you'll see who might be good at bombing and fighting off cons. Not score with no chance of dying.

Still trying to get things changed to favor your style are you? FAIL!
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 08, 2009, 03:33:50 AM

meh, its still not that big a deal. The only way it matters if if your going for in the top 10.

You can resupply and still get #1. Whoever thought it brings the score down that much doesnt have a good score to begin with and doesnt understand the 'system' anyway. The guys that do understand the system have in the past discovered bugs used them for score and not reported them for YEARS (how fun is that?)... dont fall into that trap. Do what you do in the game because you like it or because its for your squad but not for score. If its fun then score will take care of itself.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: BiPoLaR on November 08, 2009, 07:55:09 AM
is a funny statement about "timid players" by someone bailing from his buffs to prevent a fight (and "giving them a kill")  ;)


#1 who climbs to 30k in a 190 just to kill 1 lonely buff? cough you do cough.
#2. im not able to shoot back, so there is no "fight"

When i get my joystick, it will be a different story :)

But im not gonna fly straight for you to pad your score.

And for you to be talking and whining about it a week later. I done my job :)
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Lusche on November 08, 2009, 09:00:59 AM
#1 who climbs to 30k in a 190 just to kill 1 lonely buff? cough you do cough.

Yes I do. Trying to engage another player that is  bombing strats @30k is wrong how?

#2. im not able to shoot back, so there is no "fight"

When i get my joystick, it will be a different story :)

BS. You can shoot back with a mouse. Being in a fighter would be another story, but even then there are quite few players doing that stuff with just a mouse too.

But im not gonna fly straight for you to pad your score.

BS again. My score "suffers" from spending 15-20 mins to hunt a single buff formation. If I would care for it that much, I would refrain from doing that kind of stuff.
Also "flying straight" is the way a Lanc is flying and fighting at 30k, having a joystic or not.

And for you to be talking and whining about it a week later. I done my job :)

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Calling other players "lame" for running away, but doing much lamer things yourself. But of course, there's always an excuse...
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 08, 2009, 10:07:27 AM
my way of flying lol


 lol must be strat milker
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: BiPoLaR on November 08, 2009, 10:28:28 AM
Yes I do. Trying to engage another player that is  bombing strats @30k is wrong how?

BS. You can shoot back with a mouse. Being in a fighter would be another story, but even then there are quite few players doing that stuff with just a mouse too.

BS again. My score "suffers" from spending 15-20 mins to hunt a single buff formation. If I would care for it that much, I would refrain from doing that kind of stuff.
Also "flying straight" is the way a Lanc is flying and fighting at 30k, having a joystic or not.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Calling other players "lame" for running away, but doing much lamer things yourself. But of course, there's always an excuse...
#1. did i say it was wrong for you to do that? nope
#2. am i those other players? nope, i cant get it down. its bass acwards to me
#3. you are playing on something that happened a week ago, your bothered by it and you keep beating a dead horse. Let it go kid. You fly buffs with a mouse and shoot back at same time son. then come in here a post your ignorance
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: stodd on November 08, 2009, 10:34:37 AM
I use a mouse. :bolt:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Bronk on November 08, 2009, 10:36:22 AM
HAHHAHA Bip a bomb and bailer hahahahahhahah.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: DREDIOCK on November 08, 2009, 10:38:14 AM
Look at it this way. Running supplies can actually help your "score" in the long run. Just like clearing someones 6 can help your score int eh long run.
and I'll explain how this works.

I dont mind running supplies even though it might not be what Im doing at the moment because I figure at some point , I may be in a position to need supplies myself.
Thus improving my score.

And I dont mind going out of my way to clear someones 6 because at some point I know Im going to need mine cleared. Which also helps to improve my score.

The way I figure it. If people see you doing these things often enough. They dont hesitate to do them for you. And yanno what. It works. I cant tell you how many times I've been twisting and turning to avoid the 3 planes on my 6 when I suddenly see someone clearing mine who's handle I dont really know other then having seen their name occasionally but who's 6 I cleared the flight or day or two before.

Point is. The more you help other people. The more likely it is you yourself will get help. Often when you need it most.
And THAT in the long run,helps your score.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 08, 2009, 12:40:15 PM
Here's a thought. make strat buildings take 3'k to kill and spread them out. Then you would see guys going for score have to fight. instead of changing sides or waiting for strats behind their own lines. so they face no ememy. Can't do this add 5" manable guns at  strats . 1 each corner and hav3e he and aaa so gvs fear strat too. make it u want great bomb % for score you have to hit a town. then you'll see who might be good at bombing and fighting off cons. Not score with no chance of dying.


(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5869/844812-fail_thread_super.jpg)
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 08, 2009, 01:36:32 PM
Hes also not thinking clearly Nemisis. If it take 3k to drop a single building at the strats it will make towns nearly impossible to drop with a squadron of bombers. As I have read in many threads the arenas were broken up to limit numbers because of large mega-squads and what they were doing to the game. Now you cant do that and then encourage large squads to form too and thats what this type of thinking will do. I think Rod just doesnt like people out scoring him and he has never figured out how to live in bombers.

BIGTIME FAIL!!!
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 08, 2009, 01:49:43 PM
agreed chalange. Hell, we had trouble dropping a town with a fleet of bombers the way it is now. If it takes 3k to destroy a building, then the B-17 can down TWO!!! The lanc could down FIVE and damage one 2/3rds of the way. I know formation would kick it up to 6 and 16 respectively, but really, thats excessive. How many buildings are there in towns anyway? It seems like it would take 2 lancs with 100% accuracy to down a town.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 08, 2009, 05:44:56 PM
Hes also not thinking clearly Nemisis. If it take 3k to drop a single building at the strats it will make towns nearly impossible to drop with a squadron of bombers. As I have read in many threads the arenas were broken up to limit numbers because of large mega-squads and what they were doing to the game. Now you cant do that and then encourage large squads to form too and thats what this type of thinking will do. I think Rod just doesnt like people out scoring him and he has never figured out how to live in bombers.

BIGTIME FAIL!!!


omg ur clueless lol I call up fighters if i'm in bombers only 1 guy has ever killed all 3 of my bombers at alt thats fester only happened once. 90% Guys killing strats only hit them for score. 2nd i can kill entire town with 1 set lancs sounds like ur really clueless. only strats would be harden not towns either your clueless or can't read. Idea was to make score guys fight for score. not to hit undefended strats or  get squadie to deack field vulch. and if your afraid to face guys defending bases maybe offline is for u. ITs too funny guys who think rank means something. Rank only impresses 12 yearolds or young not the majority. Killing strats behind lines doesn't take skill. but if you had great k/d and bomb % in bomber hitting base towns that would put more meaning into rank system.  Guys upping lancs or ju87s drop moabs rinse repeat at undefened strats or driving a gv to strat that has no defnse is same as playing offline. ?like i said ADD 5" guns manable at strats with he and aaa harden strats and make them earn rank  and fight.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 08, 2009, 05:50:35 PM
Actually your writing is even worse than mine and no one can make heads or tails of anything you say but primarily what comes across is your insults and ridiculous notions of 'hey look at me Im so awesome.'

FAIL!

K/D has nothing to do with bomber scores (as Hitech himself answered you on that) so your agenda will never succeed.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 08, 2009, 05:56:51 PM
chalenger here answer this question what do u see when guy has bomb hit % over 500.


  i can tell you what most others see. guy who only hits undefend strats. its only way to get that %. and your minority  hitting only strats for score. 90% play game my anser was to scoreing system to make it mean more make killing defnedable targets worth more.  then rank or score might mean something.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 08, 2009, 06:16:27 PM
You are very much mistaken Rod. For instance... my hit% in bombers is 1800% and I killed three 109s doing that and I was five sectors behind enemy lines when I did that so if it was undefended it was because no one wants to intercept bombers (this was middle of the day prime time flying too). Now if you mean Stukas attack undefended strats I have to disagree with you also. In order for that strat to be in a position to be attacked by Stukas someone had to do a lot of work to earn an easy trip to the (factory) strat. In that case you are always free to do what I have done in the past. Fly to a factory and land nearby to defend it when a con starts heading that way which can lead to hours of fun! It seems to me you are whining about not being able to defend everything from people that can easily do the same thing you do.

Now lets say Hitech changes it so it takes a 4000 pound bomb to destroy one building. The only thing that might happen is people stop attacking strats altogether which would make it pointless to even have strats in the game. Point being? You want strat bombers to hit only towns and fields? Every muppet in the game is going to be hunting you down for even thinking it!

Score will never mean anything just get used to it.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: haasehole on November 08, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
 :headscratch:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 08, 2009, 09:42:08 PM
chalenger here answer this question what do u see when guy has bomb hit % over 500.


  i can tell you what most others see. guy who only hits undefend strats. its only way to get that %. and your minority  hitting only strats for score. 90% play game my anser was to scoreing system to make it mean more make killing defnedable targets worth more.  then rank or score might mean something.

I find myself agreeing with chalenge, what I'm getting out of your posts is a poor attempt at bragging. I serisouly doubt that you've had your entire formation destroyed only once in your gaming careear, unless you've been flying bomber for less than an hour, or have only attacked at night in the EW and MW arenas.


The only way your idea to make it take 3k to destroy a town builing is if the lanc is suddenly discovered to have carryed 42,000lbs of high-explosives in its bomb bay.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 13, 2009, 08:35:20 AM
You are very much mistaken Rod. For instance... my hit% in bombers is 1800% and I killed three 109s doing that and I was five sectors behind enemy lines when I did that so if it was undefended it was because no one wants to intercept bombers (this was middle of the day prime time flying too). Now if you mean Stukas attack undefended strats I have to disagree with you also. In order for that strat to be in a position to be attacked by Stukas someone had to do a lot of work to earn an easy trip to the (factory) strat. In that case you are always free to do what I have done in the past. Fly to a factory and land nearby to defend it when a con starts heading that way which can lead to hours of fun! It seems to me you are whining about not being able to defend everything from people that can easily do the same thing you do.

Now lets say Hitech changes it so it takes a 4000 pound bomb to destroy one building. The only thing that might happen is people stop attacking strats altogether which would make it pointless to even have strats in the game. Point being? You want strat bombers to hit only towns and fields? Every muppet in the game is going to be hunting you down for even thinking it!

Score will never mean anything just get used to it.


hit % in bomber is not by killing a fighter. its bombs hitting target.  right now only things strats for is bomb% in bomber.  no one that bombs a town,vhs.cv, ord, radar etc ever has over 500% hit any one with over 500% bomb hit is milking strat. and maybe 1/10th percent hitting strat to stop ord from coming up ior anther strats feature. Most go to strats just to pad not to fight. you would get more fights if you made strats harder to kill like HTC did with HQ.  increaseing guys fighting is to everyones enjoyment. Hell go in mw or ew  all u see is guys milking strats not fighting. this idea makes them hit towns  where enemy can engage.




and nemisis  I use to bomb in m,ain all the time use to go HQ call up fighters. No one has ever killed all 3 of my bombers at 30k ever except fester/ Thats why i said at alt. Bombers were made to bomb at 25k plus not like alot here 1k diving. Never in my time here havei ever suicided cv always bomb it from 8 to 10 k. I get called a cheater for my Gunnery atleast 2 to 3 times a weak.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Boxboy on November 13, 2009, 08:47:41 AM
 :rofl I stopped worrying about score when it was all combined, with vehicles, bombers, etc... since I only fly fighters most of the time and so some attack stuff, seldom fly bombers and NEVER GV, my over all score will always suck in this system :devil
(not that it wouldn't suck anyway :neener:)
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: dedalos on November 13, 2009, 09:11:29 AM
Maybe because you are reducing score to pure K/D. But that's only a small part in score, and if you are a runner, you will get a good K/D, but a bad K/T and probably a bad K/S too.

Not always, the guys really good at scoring high don't just run.  They only run after they lost the advantage but the good ones will come in over a field or furball, get their picks fast and then run.  If done right, all stats go up.  K/D will go down if you bother fighting for a kill and K/S or K/T will depend on your skill at fighting.  However, KS and KT for a someone that plays for the fights will never be as high as someone that is playing for score and does it the right way.  (I am not talking about nubes here k?  Seasoned players that play for score)
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Boxboy on November 13, 2009, 09:14:40 AM

and nemisis  I use to bomb in m,ain all the time use to go HQ call up fighters. No one has ever killed all 3 of my bombers at 30k ever except fester/ Thats why i said at alt. Bombers were made to bomb at 25k plus not like alot here 1k diving. Never in my time here havei ever suicided cv always bomb it from 8 to 10 k. I get called a cheater for my Gunnery atleast 2 to 3 times a weak.

all you are proving here is the concessions HTC has made to the bomber pilots, easy bomb site, groups of bombers for more fire power etc etc....... :aok
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: greens on November 13, 2009, 01:07:07 PM
1ST thing you do so you can score-turn off your computer-stand up-go out the door-go find a chick easy as that to score  :cheers:  :aok
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 13, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
and nemisis  I use to bomb in m,ain all the time use to go HQ call up fighters. No one has ever killed all 3 of my bombers at 30k ever except fester/ Thats why i said at alt. Bombers were made to bomb at 25k plus not like alot here 1k diving. Never in my time here havei ever suicided cv always bomb it from 8 to 10 k. I get called a cheater for my Gunnery atleast 2 to 3 times a weak.

OK, so when did you start bombing at 30+K? If it was after enough time for your gunnery to have improved to that level, then I can believe that. If your going to tell me you were bombing at 30k after just 6 months then I'll say roadkill to your face. Unless you have the insane luck of being attacked by newbs that are inexplicably flying at 30k, or have other practice, then I'd expect atleast a year, maybe a year and a half for that type of gunnery.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Motherland on November 13, 2009, 06:42:36 PM
OK, so when did you start bombing at 30+K? If it was after enough time for your gunnery to have improved to that level, then I can believe that. If your going to tell me you were bombing at 30k after just 6 months then I'll say bullsoup to your face. Unless you have the insane luck of being attacked by newbs that are inexplicably flying at 30k, or have other practice, then I'd expect atleast a year, maybe a year and a half for that type of gunnery.
Defensive bomber guns are so ridiculously easy in this game to get kills with that it's not uncommon for people to go around trolling in B26's and 17's and such. I know I did this and was much better at it than flying fighters for the first 6 months or so I played the game.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 13, 2009, 06:51:12 PM
Defensive bomber guns are so ridiculously easy in this game to get kills with that it's not uncommon for people to go around trolling in B26's and 17's and such. I know I did this and was much better at it than flying fighters for the first 6 months or so I played the game.
Same here, but my point is even then you still wouldn't have been shot down by only once at 30+K. Its near physicly impossible dispite the altitude; I've seen B-17s chased upto 41k. If hes had the luck to dodge fighters the entire time he's played the game, then it MIGHT have happened, just its very unlikely.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Shuffler on November 13, 2009, 07:25:12 PM
I agree... I fly a B-38 almost always.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 13, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
B-38? Wrong letter or wrong numbers? And agree with what exactly?
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: stodd on November 13, 2009, 10:22:21 PM
B-38? Wrong letter or wrong numbers? And agree with what exactly?
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww279/stodd602/BillyMays.jpg)
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 14, 2009, 12:53:47 AM
hit % in bomber is not by killing a fighter

Obvious statement of the century! WTG!!!!

What you fail to see rod is that all it takes is one guy to hit a strat and then the only way to score as well or better is to do the same thing. Also the only way to have a 500% hit percentage is by hitting one section of the town and then flying home. Thats even more gamey than hitting strats which (by the way) is not milking if it is behind enemy lines and you encounter even a single con. If the definition of 'milking' has changed to include flying deep into enemy territory and getting intercepted (my definition of defended target) then its not an accurate definition.

One Spit XVI can easily kill a bomber and a 109K4 can easily kill all three (as can many other fighters) if the fighter is flown by an experienced pilot. What you should really make fun of (and make no mistake you are making fun of ALL bomber pilots) is the guys that refuse to attack high altitude bombers. I can understand why you dont because that probably includes you.

Bombing from 30k? Okay I can understand 25k but you have to absolutely scared to death to worry about getting to 30k before you drop the first bomb!
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Delirium on November 14, 2009, 01:04:39 AM
What you should really make fun of (and make no mistake you are making fun of ALL bomber pilots) is the guys that refuse to attack high altitude bombers. I can understand why you dont because that probably includes you.

Who wants to climb to 25k? Heck, most of us in fighters never get over 10k! If the guy in the bomber wants to climb to 30k and bomb, he might as well do it offline because no one is going to bother him.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 14, 2009, 01:17:30 AM
Wrong! I get attacked a lot at 25k... even 32k! I also do the attacking and even with a P-51 engaging bombers at 30-35k is a difficult task that requires patience and strategy. I would think the P-38 would be ideal for this but I also know P-38 pilots are not known for patience or strategy.  :D
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Delirium on November 14, 2009, 01:28:02 AM
I would think the P-38 would be ideal for this but I also know P-38 pilots are not known for patience or strategy.  :D

You're right. We get laid far more often and don't have time to climb to 32k every sortie.

I also do the attacking and even with a P-51 engaging bombers at 30-35k is a difficult task that requires patience and strategy.

Ah, you're a P51 stick, that explains the altitude. Carry on! :devil
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 14, 2009, 01:51:14 AM
You're right. We get laid far more often and don't have time to climb to 32k every sortie.

Ha! You pimple faced noobs never get laid and you dont know the difference between a woman and your right hand!  :devil
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 15, 2009, 01:44:28 AM
Who wants to climb to 25k? Heck, most of us in fighters never get over 10k! If the guy in the bomber wants to climb to 30k and bomb, he might as well do it offline because no one is going to bother him.



i was reason for hq change and 163/ everyone complained about loseing dar for 2 hrs. you couldn't resupply dar old days if on \ly 3 dars dead hq still up. kev367th and i us to call up fighters kill 3/4 hq blind then land 4 or 5 kills each. and of cousre i flew 30k would go afk wait hr come back kill hq 3/4  and laugh at crys. was fun till 163 came in the game and hq changed.  nemisi in old days wasn't instant calibration only a few could do it right. Most would hear 30k bombers inb hq alot on 200 saying u can't bomb from that alt till they kept losing dars. and i've been around well before aces high and always could shoot its not hard. and i can show you 8 u cheat have aimbot this weak alone and thats from low bombers....... lol
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Steve on November 15, 2009, 01:48:30 AM
with a P-51 engaging bombers at 30-35k


 :huh
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 15, 2009, 04:07:17 AM

 :huh

Ha! Yes an empty bomber is not only fast it climbs pretty good too so if they are at 18k when you launch in a P-51 they will be higher when you catch up to them. I am not someone that attacks from dead six (patience) and yes it eventually ends up being at very high altitudes and deep behind enemy lines but I do really enjoy fighting bombers at high altitude.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 15, 2009, 04:08:57 AM

i was reason for hq change and 163/ everyone...

Now that makes you out to be here for one reason only and no I dont believe a word you say... not even the parts I can understand.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Lusche on November 15, 2009, 05:11:50 AM
i was reason for hq change and 163/ everyone complained about loseing dar for 2 hrs.

Wow! A single guy responsible for AH a huge AH gameplay change. I vote you most influential player ever!  :rock


 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Bronk on November 15, 2009, 06:54:20 AM
Wow! A single guy responsible for AH a huge AH gameplay change. I vote you most influential player ever!  :rock


 :rolleyes:

Hey now. Why don't you do a skyrock type poll and nominate the guy... looks to be the fashionable thing to do.  :D
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Lusche on November 15, 2009, 07:02:26 AM
Hey now. Why don't you do a skyrock type poll and nominate the guy...

I can't do that, because I would be one of the contenders. It was me alone who caused the Arena Split of 2006


 :D
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Bronk on November 15, 2009, 07:14:18 AM
I can't do that, because I would be one of the contenders. It was me alone who caused the Arena Split of 2006


 :D

You better edit that quick... There are quite a few who'd want to make snail salad out of you for that! :O
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: greens on November 16, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
1ST thing you do so you can score-turn off your computer-stand up-go out the door-go find a chick easy as that to score  :cheers:  :aok
am i the only one to get this?  :huh  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 17, 2009, 03:51:40 AM
According to the "Treaty of Panay" I am no longer allowed to 'score' (outside of my own house anyway) and Im happy with that... really.  :D
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 17, 2009, 11:13:41 PM
I can't do that, because I would be one of the contenders. It was me alone who caused the Arena Split of 2006


 :D

Lusche i take it you were not herewhen u could kill HQ 3/4 and team could not resupply. I would go noe to HQ kill ot 3/4 and boards were full of crys. KEV367th would gun for me after hq down we would kill fighters and goons.  once people learn secret ways into HQ so enemy never saw you team swere losing radar with no resupply. Thats when yhey harden some strats. {maybe wasn't just all me but i did start it, and was doing it everyday just to hear the whines)another game chage wasstopping guys from upping at friendly base shooting own hangers to increase hit %fighter mode. Caught VOSS in a hanger shooting it at our base (we were same team) looked at his hit % in fighter it was 93% so i uped in fighter mode shot hanger and found out how his hit % was that high.


btw old days u could go all the way HQ never flash a base most all maps. Some if you flew off map guys couldn't shoot u. some of these maps we still use today but now u need 2 sets lancs and hq can be resupplied now.




p.s.do you really think i would come on bbs and tell story if not true. LOL i can imagine grief i would get if i did. lol
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 18, 2009, 12:40:12 AM
Now that explains it! It wasnt anything you were doing (as lame and gamey as it was) it was a bug in the game that caused the changes and not you! And here I was beginning to believe you really are as significant as you think!  :rofl

EDIT: I just came to realize you were (in a very basic sense) taking advantage of a bug in the game and worse you were making fun of the people reporting it to HTC. What is really funny is a lot of time has passed by since then and you still think it makes you look important?  :rofl
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 18, 2009, 07:35:51 AM
Now that explains it! It wasnt anything you were doing (as lame and gamey as it was) it was a bug in the game that caused the changes and not you! And here I was beginning to believe you really are as significant as you think!  :rofl

EDIT: I just came to realize you were (in a very basic sense) taking advantage of a bug in the game and worse you were making fun of the people reporting it to HTC. What is really funny is a lot of time has passed by since then and you still think it makes you look important?  :rofl


;lol was no bug was designed that way at HQ. so u could kill 1 dar 2 dars or 3 or 4 depending on drop. but hey i guess your playing as sarah palin read facts mislead lol.hangers were designed so u could kill friendly radar, enemy radar, enemy CNT and friendly cnt finally if hq destroyed all 4 dars. my god this entire post is to funny u read what i post miss interpet it repost stating excatly op.


only bug was killing hangers for hit % i called htc after seeing voss do it.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 18, 2009, 09:34:40 AM
No its really easy to follow along rod you should try it!  :D

You said yourself you could drop it to 3/4 damage and it could not be resupplied. Thats a bug you were tooling with and its just like 'killing hangars for hit %.' Then you made it worse by making fun of the people that reported the bug.

Brilliant!  :neener:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: dirtydog on November 18, 2009, 10:40:20 AM
after reading rod's posts :headscratch:  :uhoh and a couple Tylenol
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 18, 2009, 01:19:13 PM
No its really easy to follow along rod you should try it!  :D

You said yourself you could drop it to 3/4 damage and it could not be resupplied. Thats a bug you were tooling with and its just like 'killing hangars for hit %.' Then you made it worse by making fun of the people that reported the bug.

Brilliant!  :neener:



it was never a bug was designed that way. my god cause u say its a bug doesn't make it a bug u donk.
my god u need to read I laugh at guys complain they lost dar. Not cause they calledf htc. they complain on bbs long ago after 6 months htc decided to make new ah update have the new Hq design. WAs never a bug and wasn't laughing at them for turning in TRY readin instead of being a donk . maybe try quote so u can reread before getting ut wrong. my god milker so worried they might make him fight to milk a strat lol.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 18, 2009, 01:28:45 PM
Chalenge .


We the players tested new maps before they came out. Few of us that vol our time. Bombed hq based on wieght HTC set,captured every base to make sure they could be, we would spend days killing targets and just flying to clean bugs. Maybe next time u should vol you might learn something.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: WMLute on November 18, 2009, 01:35:03 PM
No its really easy to follow along rod you should try it!  :D

You said yourself you could drop it to 3/4 damage and it could not be resupplied. Thats a bug you were tooling with and its just like 'killing hangars for hit %.' Then you made it worse by making fun of the people that reported the bug.

Brilliant!  :neener:

It isn't a bug.

That was how HTC did it WAAAAAAY back in the day.

The only way to resupply a HQ was if it was 100% down.

Depending on how much of the HQ you destroyed (not just the white bld but the surrounding town) the nme would lose dot, or bar dar, etc.

Rod isn't describing a bug but how AH used to be and how the game used to handle HQ and radar.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 18, 2009, 01:40:02 PM
Actually I dont know how anyone can follow what 'donkRod' is trying to say ever. He offends reason with every post.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Getback on November 18, 2009, 01:53:40 PM
Badhorse, I often run supplies myself and yes it hurts your score. Now it comes down to 2 choices, 1) the heck with your country or 2)or this is how I can help my country. As for me, I like doing the things that help my country and yet I need to balance it with what the other things I enjoy. Now I wish it didn't hurt my score but that is the way it is currently. I know if I just bombed factories my score would be better as well. However, sometimes I feel the need to stop the advancement of base takers or cv killers so I go for strats. Bombing is not generally what I prefer to do.

When I see folks resupplying a field I always try to give them a <S> or a nod of thanks.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: dedalos on November 18, 2009, 02:13:55 PM


it was never a bug was designed that way. my god cause u say its a bug doesn't make it a bug u donk.
my god u need to read I laugh at guys complain they lost dar. Not cause they calledf htc. they complain on bbs long ago after 6 months htc decided to make new ah update have the new Hq design. WAs never a bug and wasn't laughing at them for turning in TRY readin instead of being a donk . maybe try quote so u can reread before getting ut wrong. my god milker so worried they might make him fight to milk a strat lol.

Honestly, we are doing the best we can
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 18, 2009, 06:30:18 PM
Ha! You pimple faced noobs never get laid and you dont know the difference between a woman and your right hand!  :devil

Harsh. Good to know my fellow 51 sticks can throw out some good insults.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 19, 2009, 08:09:27 AM
Actually I dont know how anyone can follow what 'donkRod' is trying to say ever. He offends reason with every post.



;LOL CHA;ENGE YOUR ONE WHO WAS TRYING TO TWIST WHAT WAS SAID. this all start cause you don't like the idea of getting guys to fight for rank or score. now thats lame
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 19, 2009, 03:37:16 PM
Not that I can understand what you are saying or anything (again) but I think your supporting argument isnt doing your argument any good. YOU said you want people to drop hangars instead of strat which makes YOU the anti-fighter 'donk' (as you put it). My argument is to use the bombers as they were designed and historically used which would be against strats and not hangars and at high alt and not NOE (which you admit doing yourself).

I am a purist and you are a gamer and I will always prefer my way to yours.  :neener:

Sorry you lost the argument better luck next time.  :old:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 19, 2009, 04:02:04 PM
Not that I can understand what you are saying or anything (again) but I think your supporting argument isnt doing your argument any good. YOU said you want people to drop hangars instead of strat which makes YOU the anti-fighter 'donk' (as you put it). My argument is to use the bombers as they were designed and historically used which would be against strats and not hangars and at high alt and not NOE (which you admit doing yourself).

I am a purist and you are a gamer and I will always prefer my way to yours.  :neener:

Sorry you lost the argument better luck next time.  :old:




;lol your a clueless wonder.  I said harden strats like hq was or make 5" manable guns at strats. it would force guys who want score like you to face fighters or defense at towns. you would get bigger hit % by hitting a town instead of a strat. this would increase fights.  now guys who want score like u wait for strats behind lines or undefendable cause most could care less if you hit a strat.



You don't get it 95% laugh at guys going for score or hitting strats lol
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 19, 2009, 06:32:37 PM
No it wont do anything to increase fights it will kill fights by pushing more of the strat killers into taking fields (which is exactly what most of the fighters despise). Tell me 'donkrod' how it is that my numbers tell you that I am hitting strats behind my own lines? I will tell you that is exactly what I am not doing so your analysis is completely wrong. I would never waste time doing that because so many people DO do that so that it is useless to attempt. Your not as smart as you think there bub.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on November 20, 2009, 04:04:19 AM
No it wont do anything to increase fights it will kill fights by pushing more of the strat killers into taking fields (which is exactly what most of the fighters despise). Tell me 'donkrod' how it is that my numbers tell you that I am hitting strats behind my own lines? I will tell you that is exactly what I am not doing so your analysis is completely wrong. I would never waste time doing that because so many people DO do that so that it is useless to attempt. Your not as smart as you think there bub.


your bombing hit % says   I BOMB STRATS
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 20, 2009, 04:09:01 AM
Compose a letter to HTC and tell them I bomb strats and you dont like it.  :neener:

Better yet call them and get immediate satisfaction.  :aok
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 20, 2009, 04:26:34 AM
Wondering if there is a way to make it so that running resupply with an M3, LVT or Goon would not count against your score.  As it is if you run some supplies out with an M3 or LVT it counts as a vehicle sortie. A Goon counts as a bomber sortie.  Seems like the Kill per Sortie data would be skewed.

Just wondering.

I ran supps in bomber category a few times... hasnt hurt my score yet.  :D
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: DREDIOCK on November 20, 2009, 07:42:41 AM
Quote from: badhorse on November 07, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
Wondering if there is a way to make it so that running resupply with an M3, LVT or Goon would not count against your score


To get back to the original post. I dont know if anyones mentioned it or not yet. But if memory serves correct. When you run GV supplies out to people. you actually get points each time someone picks them up before you end mission or get killed.

This I think actually helps your "score"
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 20, 2009, 12:17:35 PM
I think what he is talking about is the damage per sortie and kills per sortie (for vehicles) and those will drop on a sortie where you resupply but usually over the course of events it evens out.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Shuffler on November 20, 2009, 12:21:29 PM
I'm curious why anyone would concern themselves about score. Some here think we should WIN ZEE WARZZZZZZ!



 :joystick:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 20, 2009, 01:34:32 PM
I'm curious why anyone would concern themselves about score. Some here think we should WIN ZEE WARZZZZZZ!

I am also curious if the 'bombing strat for score' anti-argument is going to continue once it becomes a more viable part of the game and part of the 'win-the-war' strategy.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Shuffler on November 20, 2009, 03:03:19 PM
My real concern is that I have at least one base available to up my B-38
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 20, 2009, 04:07:12 PM
Not if Rod gets his way. All the strat bombers will be hitting your fields and killing your ords and closing all your hangars. No more fighting allowed!

 :old:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: dirtydog on November 20, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
rods harmless he's a midwar farm boy .....his bark is worst then his bite
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 20, 2009, 07:47:49 PM
rods harmless he's a midwar farm boy .....his bark is worst then his bite

Whats his handle online? I never see him flying.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 25, 2009, 11:35:34 AM
Not that I can understand what you are saying or anything (again) but I think your supporting argument isnt doing your argument any good. YOU said you want people to drop hangars instead of strat which makes YOU the anti-fighter 'donk' (as you put it). My argument is to use the bombers as they were designed and historically used which would be against strats and not hangars and at high alt and not NOE (which you admit doing yourself).

I am a purist and you are a gamer and I will always prefer my way to yours.  :neener:

Sorry you lost the argument better luck next time.  :old:

NOE's DID happen. Can't get past that. And really untill we get the strats directly linked to how much supps bases get, strat bombing is almost pointless. By that I mean an ord factory with 66% of its factorys destroyed can only deliver 34% of the ususal ord.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 25, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Really? NOEs happened? Name a battle in the Pacific where troops were deployed around an airfirled with AAA defense and an NOE attack came in dropped ten troops and captured the airfeild and island.

Its not the same my friend. NOE in AHII is a way to avoid defenders and stop the fight by winning the map and thats all.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 25, 2009, 02:42:38 PM
My point is that B-25's (and lancasters once I belive) flew at low level and droped bombs.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Bronk on November 25, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
My point is that B-25's (and lancasters once I belive) flew at low level and droped bombs.

Try looking up Ploesti.. read what happened to them during that raid.

Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 26, 2009, 04:06:34 PM
Still happened. You can't get around that fact regardless of how you look at it.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 26, 2009, 05:02:48 PM
Well we dont have skip bombing and we dont have parafrags so NOE should be used for leveling factories I guess. No way to stop the one-shot NOE base captures since its allowed but you cannot name a raid like it in any war that I know of.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 26, 2009, 11:44:25 PM
No I can't. But you can't do anything short of limiting the alt at wich bombs can be dropped, and that wouldn't work since planes did do low level runs.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on November 27, 2009, 03:08:04 AM
I think if HT added concussion it would wake a few people up.  :D
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Nemisis on November 27, 2009, 12:53:43 PM
Probably. Lol, I was gunning for a B-25H, and the bastard tore our wings off pulling up after dropping. Thing was, he dropped a bomb on an M16 instead of using the cannon.
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: morfiend on November 28, 2009, 09:48:57 PM
Try looking up Ploesti.. read what happened to them during that raid.





  Gee Bronk,I would have thought with his 15 years of experence he'd have read all about it! :devil

  The volume of post he puts out makes me think he knows everything.

   :salute
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Bronk on November 29, 2009, 07:46:19 AM


  Gee Bronk,I would have thought with his 15 years of experence he'd have read all about it! :devil

  The volume of post he puts out makes me think he knows everything.

   :salute
He does appear to fit the standard teen knowitall profile. ;)
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on December 03, 2009, 01:21:36 PM
boy i bet htc will never change strats challenge is right........ :angel:
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on December 03, 2009, 01:43:48 PM
HTC answered all my strat wishes (well... nearly all) with the new changes. I wonder how long it will take the score potatos to learn the new strat? Have you started working on that yet?  :D
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Strip on December 03, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
HTC answered all my strat wishes (well... nearly all) with the new changes. I wonder how long it will take the score potatos to learn the new strat? Have you started working on that yet?  :D

Good luck cracking that cookie...

The strat is so well defended that flying over at 20,000 feet is rough, bombers included. The scoretards will have to plan their runs carefully and even then may sustain losses.

Strip
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on December 03, 2009, 02:06:28 PM
Sorry Strip I should have posted this already:

ONE MAN CAMPAIGN TO DRAW ATTENTION TO HIMSELF =  rod
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on December 03, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
HTC answered all my strat wishes (well... nearly all) with the new changes. I wonder how long it will take the score potatos to learn the new strat? Have you started working on that yet?  :D


;lol all you wanted lol uj funny
 

I guess challenge thinks guys can't read postings to this question. he wanted the changes lol






you better hurry erase your postings so you can say it was you that wanted strats harden and behind enemy lines hurry u got time. lol








Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on December 03, 2009, 10:26:20 PM
No rod as usual you are employing your hard head instead of search.

I wished for:
1. Strats back in the game (bombers back in the game too)
2. Bombers landing get text buffer message (a reason to fly bombers and hopefully stop the bomb-and-bailers forever)
3. Fighters that dont carry bombs dont have attack mode

Due to these changes I think the people that really do well in all categories instead of GAMING categories (I noticed you seem unable to do well now)... will stand out.

Where do you stand out rod?
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: rod367th on December 04, 2009, 05:24:27 AM
No rod as usual you are employing your hard head instead of search.

I wished for:
1. Strats back in the game (bombers back in the game too)
2. Bombers landing get text buffer message (a reason to fly bombers and hopefully stop the bomb-and-bailers forever)
3. Fighters that dont carry bombs dont have attack mode

Due to these changes I think the people that really do well in all categories instead of GAMING categories (I noticed you seem unable to do well now)... will stand out.

yeah your right 24kills to death fighter 8 kills sortie i suck lol

Where do you stand out rod?
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Chalenge on December 04, 2009, 05:31:55 AM
Well at least you admit it.  :aok
Title: Re: Scoring question
Post by: Bronk on December 04, 2009, 05:44:07 AM
No rod as usual you are employing your hard head instead of search.

I wished for:
1. Strats back in the game (bombers back in the game too)
2. Bombers landing get text buffer message (a reason to fly bombers and hopefully stop the bomb-and-bailers forever)
3. Fighters that dont carry bombs dont have attack mode

Due to these changes I think the people that really do well in all categories instead of GAMING categories (I noticed you seem unable to do well now)... will stand out.

Where do you stand out rod?

I have an issue with 3... Hurri IId.