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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wizz on March 25, 2015, 07:52:58 PM
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Im not one to complain about it. Instead I have embraced the fact that people use multiple accounts. To me it adds a certain kind of realism to the game. Intel was used heavily by both allies and axis powers in WW2. I kind of look at it that way. What I have tried to do is embrace it and adapt. So......
Early today I had time to log on this afternoon and noticed once again Bish day crew and even Knits are once again working heavy on the Rooks. I had originally intended to do a strat run and help the guys out that way but having seen the extent of the damage that had been done against my country I decided id try and grab a base back. Got a group of guys rallied and we set off for a bish base. Wouldnt you know some one flew right to a goon who was parked 10 miles away from town as I began my run on town. Radar had been down when he entered the dar ring and he had been there for some time so you put the pieces of that puzzle together. I took every precaution to prevent everything but a shade from preventing the goon from dying before he pushed and my guy executed to a T. Whatever...
Not letting that get me down as it does with so many I asked the same guy in the goon to drive to a different base just to the south of the original target that had no spawn in. 30 minute drive and no indication on the map would be given of what was happening. I climbed to 19k to allow the m3 time to get to the town. Now while i worked on the town there were about 10 planes over the general area of the town that had gone back and forth from the base the m3 launched in a span of 15-20 minutes which is nothing out of the norm. I got the town WF deacked with my lancs and as expected Bish upped in full force to defend the town. So I decided to drop to the deck and pull all those looking for a goon or m3 away from the town. Sure enough they all bit. Before I knew it I was on the deck in lancs fighting a brew, Ki-61, and a 110. I scream on vox rush to town and drop troops as im fighting for my cartoon life. I smoke the brew and the 110, get the kill on the KI-61. As the 110 turns away the m3 calls out troops running and going in....
Boom!!! We take the base and shortly after I land my kill and damage. The feeling we all had was great. A feather in our caps and one to remember for a long time! I could less how others play I do things my way. :salute
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Well done
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Well how about that! I logged at 5pm just after I took this base with 49dundee. Came back on at 1030pm wouldnt you know it rooks rallied after this base take clearing all but 3% of bish and knights from our territory. As of 4am we have taken 31 bases. Bish had 16% of rook fields when I logged at 5pm and we now own 18% of theirs all the way to their city! Altogether Ive helped with 14 bases. What a day :banana: And to think I was just going to do a strat run :rock All it takes are a few guys to get some momentum going. I by no means think all of this is because of me dont get me wrong but I will take credit for helping break the ice after 2 1/2 days of hell for rooks. This is a day I will never forget!
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Heck of a fuse you lit.... :aok
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Finding a hidden goon or M3 isn't a difficult thing to do. Especially if you have time on your side. And I don't mean flying or driving around looking for one, or using a shade account. :aok
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Finding a hidden goon or M3 isn't a difficult thing to do.
Do that a couple of times and they will "know" you are using a shade, because that 'proves' it :bhead
Even better when they take this as an excuse to use shade themselves to "hunt the 'cheater' down" and are even admitting & boasting about it in public.
In my perception, a lot of things have become quite ugly in the last two years...
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Well played. You're always playing the team game. Much kudos.
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Maybe I have been living under a rock the last few years, but since our squadron started doing a monthly rotation.....I am now just discovering how wide spread these "SHADE" accounts are being used.
I know some may think this brings some sort of realism to the sim, and I can kinda see your point, as there were spies in the war.......... but from my perspective, this is the exact reason we are all seeing a huge decrease in the overall numbers (players logged on).
Can honestly stand on my two feet and say that I have never cheated in this game. 14 years....and I still struggle with EARNING my rank. The minute you cheat, your ranking means nothing. It is no longer an accurate snapshot of your talent.
Maybe Hitech will recognize this issue and hopefully find a way to prevent this abuse of the game, as in my humble opinion.........it will end up causing this great sim to dwindle down to nothing but a bunch of cheaters and eventually closing shop.
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Maybe I have been living under a rock the last few years, but since our squadron started doing a monthly rotation.....I am now just discovering how wide spread these "SHADE" accounts are being used.
The thing that's really widespread are baselees accusations. Most of the time "SHADES!" is just a reflex.
For example, just yesterday: Our CV had been sunk, and soon after it respawned at port another JABO dove on it. One player cried "They must have a shade" and half a dozen others instantly agreed.
Fo heavens sake, CVs respawn at the very same place all the time! How difficult is that to grasp? :rolleyes:
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True......sometimes SHADE is used too quickly, but the numbers of players the sim is losing...is not due to AH being a outdated or it is a bad sim. People are getting sick of losing to these people who use two accounts, and use those accounts to gain an advantage.
Put everyone on the same playing field......and let them play the game as it was intended. Offer a FAIR environment......and you will see the subscribed memberships rise.
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The thing that's really widespread are baselees accusations. Most of the time "SHADES!" is just a reflex.
For example, just yesterday: Our CV had been sunk, and soon after it respawned at port another JABO dove on it. One player cried "They must have a shade" and half a dozen others instantly agreed.
Fo heavens sake, CVs respawn at the very same place all the time! How difficult is that to grasp? :rolleyes:
They could be forgiven if they were just new to the game, but some of these people crying "SHADE!" at absolutely everything have been around for years. They should know by now how the game mechanics work :lol
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Yes, apparently I must be a shade too, since on a number of occasions, it seems I flew straight to a goon.
I guess I really must be a shade, since what I remember was seeing a dar bar come up, then disappear, at a front-line coastal field, then staring into the screen for thirty minutes as I flew around at zero feet trying to find the raid, then get behind them when I did.
But like I say, that can't be true, because I'm a shade, they all agreed I was.
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Maybe I have been living under a rock the last few years, but since our squadron started doing a monthly rotation.....I am now just discovering how wide spread these "SHADE" accounts are being used.
I know some may think this brings some sort of realism to the sim, and I can kinda see your point, as there were spies in the war.......... but from my perspective, this is the exact reason we are all seeing a huge decrease in the overall numbers (players logged on).
Shades are rampant and the exact cause of depopulation? Are you by chance a member the "335 Joint Shade OPS" squad? Certainly there are shade players but mostly it seems to be paranoia.
Can honestly stand on my two feet and say that I have never cheated in this game. 14 years....and I still struggle with EARNING my rank. The minute you cheat, your ranking means nothing. It is no longer an accurate snapshot of your talent.
14 years and you haven't discovered that rank does not prove skill? Score can and is manipulated by those that care about it.
For example, in Tour 97, the last half of the month was played purely for score. A base capture each in GV and Bombers, shooting a town with PT rockets and uber timid flying (almost exclusively in an uber plane) garnered an overall rank of #19.
Last month's Tour 181, my overall rank was #1080. Which tour rank is an accurate snapshot of my "talent"?
Don't mean to single you out personally, but these ideas come up often and need to be dispelled.
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I think your missed the point of my post. Of course there are honest players....that EARN their score/rank.
But...look around......the other morning there was 33 players online. Any given night....250'ish........when it used to be 500.
Gamers, like myself, would like to invest time in an arena where there is a level playing field. 5 or 10 shade accounts......is 5 or 10 too many. This practice is simply killing the participation levels, as players will just move on to another sim when they realize that this kind of activity is present in the game and that Hitech is doing nothing to prevent it from happening.
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Most times u dont need a shade to find out were a cv are etc. Players are awfuly predictable and if u just know when and were the cv was seen last time it not that hard to figure out were it gonna show up.
Same thing with goons and m3, with zoom and good resolution u can spot a goon 10 miles out if its noe over water. They also follows a predictable pattern and are often easy to find parked right outside town.
I on the other hand have never seen a NOE mission or anything like that has being blown by a shade.
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I think your missed the point of my post. Of course there are honest players....that EARN their score/rank.
But...look around......the other morning there was 33 players online. Any given night....250'ish........when it used to be 500.
Gamers, like myself, would like to invest time in an arena where there is a level playing field. 5 or 10 shade accounts......is 5 or 10 too many. This practice is simply killing the participation levels, as players will just move on to another sim when they realize that this kind of activity is present in the game and that Hitech is doing nothing to prevent it from happening.
I've never used a shade but been accused of it. If you pay attention to the map and think "what route would I take to sneak through to that base", it's not so hard to predict where they could be. Grid layouts, darbars, flashing towns, naval shelling, CV radar rings, random bomber pilots and blind luck can give clues that some people equate to "proof" of shade spying.
Once, I saw a remote base flashing. Looked out the tower window to see a plane de-acking the town and another slow-moving dot on the map ( noe but dar was up, so a red dot) that was likely a goon. Stopped the obvious base capture attempt and got the "Shade!" pm.
How do you determine exactly which are the shade players? What proof do you have? There have been a few times I have been convinced of the existence of a player with two accounts (or a friendly spotting for him) but still can't prove it. How many shades are playing, would you say and can you show me the complete roster of shades?
But...look around......the other morning there was 33 players online. Any given night....250'ish........when it used to be 500.
All that happened, just because of shades? :noid
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If you want to coordinate an effort to take a base for instance and you dont a want a shade to know it is difficult. They can still hear you over ranged vox.
Most of us know country\team mates by name. It would be really useful if there was a way to send a message to just those that are known, i.e. not possible shades. Without having to PM them all of course.
...or maybe there is already a way and I dont know how it works?
What do you think?
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How do you determine exactly which are the shade players?
You throw out accusation by the dozen and hope one will actually be correct.
What proof do you have?
Their goon died. That's all the proof they need.
There are weeks where I will get 'shade' accusations on a daily base. Sometimes by several different pilots per night. None of them was right, ever.
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When the graphics are turned down, a goon is solicited against the ground really well. you can see the dot from out of icon range.
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IMO, shading like that is completely pointless and a waste of time.
1. It will not help your "rank". Shooting yourself down a million times will be recognized by people who scout the ranks. I'm sure if would be easy to call them out, plus 1 kills isn't enough for the time it takes. Those people who have to shade in order to find a fight, or mission, obviously don't know the game well enough to be skilled enough to pad their ranks. You still have to kill the bad guys in order to pad the score. In which most of them aren't good enough to get enough kills for it to effect their rank in a positive manner.
2. Shade players are easily spottable. If a player has a name I've never seen before in the top 15 of the fighter ranks. They are shades. If a player is squaking about skills or kills over 200 and you don't recognize the name, it is generally a shade- though don't make acusations too quickly.
3. Again, most shades aren't really that good. If they were, they wouldn't need to park outside of bases or protect there identity in order to find a fight on the map, much less get the kills needed to be successful at it.
4. Keep strategy inside your squad and use private channels if you are reallllly that worried about it. Fly NOE, bring enough players that you can kill the opposition. There are soo many ways to be sneaky in AH. If you think a SPY or shade is ruining your base taking attempts, you are doing something wrong.
5. I LOVE killing shades
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4. Keep strategy inside your squad and use private channels if you are reallllly that worried about it. Fly NOE, bring enough players that you can kill the opposition. There are soo many ways to be sneaky in AH. If you think a SPY or shade is ruining your base taking attempts, you are doing something wrong.
Absolutely true. We only discuss on country or range what we want to be seen or heard. Plus the occasional misdirection on 200, or is it misdirection? ;)
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I always like it when they fly NOE through CV dar ring and then whine about shades when they get hit hard.
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My favorite part is when a plan hinges on a complete lack of response from the enemy.
bring enough players that you can kill the opposition.
Wiley.
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My favorite part is when a plan hinges on a complete lack of response from the enemy.
Wiley.
I detest situations with no bad guys to shoot at. :aok
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I detest situations with no bad guys to shoot at. :aok
Me too. I just don't understand why people send out unescorted goons as the lynchpin of their master plan.
Wiley.
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Me too. I just don't understand why people send out unescorted goons as the lynchpin of their master plan.
Wiley.
Hey a Pig has to eat... :D
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All that happened, just because of shades? :noid
As I stated earlier, I am just becoming aware of this form of cheating (using two accounts to gain an advantage)........and yes, I do believe it is directly related to the dwindling numbers who take part in this sim.
Would you spend endless hours.....playing in a Casino....if you found out that the other players around the table were using a system that gave them an unfair advantage?
Not sure what Hitech could possibly do to prevent this activity, but lets not be so naive to think that this activity is not taking away from the gameplay. Should we all not be trying everything possible to enhance the simulation, rather than let a few abuse the use of multiple accounts to ruin it for the whole community?
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As I stated earlier, I am just becoming aware of this form of cheating (using two accounts to gain an advantage)........and yes, I do believe it is directly related to the dwindling numbers who take part in this sim.
Would you spend endless hours.....playing in a Casino....if you found out that the other players around the table were using a system that gave them an unfair advantage?
Not sure what Hitech could possibly do to prevent this activity, but lets not be so naive to think that this activity is not taking away from the gameplay. Should we all not be trying everything possible to enhance the simulation, rather than let a few abuse the use of multiple accounts to ruin it for the whole community?
What exactly do these shades do other than take away some ability to avoid combat?
Wiley.
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When a player, with a shade account.......uses it to locate resources (C47 landed).....or to foresee a incoming NOE mission.
If you are a honest player, then the only resources you have is your intuition, experience, reading the map. Not spinning your chair around to your 2nd PC....logging into the country your fighting against....and getting information from that source.
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When a player, with a shade account.......uses it to locate resources (C47 landed).....or to foresee a incoming NOE mission.
If you are a honest player, then the only resources you have is your intuition, experience, reading the map. Not spinning your chair around to your 2nd PC....logging into the country your fighting against....and getting information from that source.
Why not plan for the possibility?
Wiley.
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When a player, with a shade account.......uses it to locate resources (C47 landed).....or to foresee a incoming NOE mission.
If you are a honest player, then the only resources you have is your intuition, experience, reading the map. Not spinning your chair around to your 2nd PC....logging into the country your fighting against....and getting information from that source.
I normally just ask my squad mates who are on the other team :devil. A lot easier than paying an extra $15 a month... Just sayin. :neener:
In all seriousness. From a business perspective, I'm sure HTC would rather garner the extra payment, than "potentially" losing players due to spying. Plus if someone has kids that like to play during the same time, a second account from the house is fine.. This would be very hard to control who is shading and who is simply using another comp for their kids. It would limit the money flow one way or another.
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You could "plan" for the possibility.......but why? Why allow customers the opportunity to abuse the system?
We have all seen the numbers dropping, and it is not because Aces High is an outdated or no fun to play......but it really makes "playing" the sim senseless, when we accept cheating, as part of normal game play.
Again....gamers....combat flight sim enthusiasts are interested in a FAIR environment. Especially the new players. They expect it, when they subscribe.....but I am sure they walk away from the sim, once they realize that people are using these shade accounts and there is no possibly for fair game play.
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Very true, DmonSylr.......very hard to regulate, as some people have kids that play, and would need that second account in the household.
I do not know what the answer is, from Hitech's perspective.........but I know this abuse of the system is making me second guess why I would invest 40 - 50 hours a month. Maybe it's time to find a new sim that will offer a fair playing field.
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There is one guy who uses his shade by driving Jeep near enough to a field and parking it in a barn leaving the base to flash constantly. That jeep being hard to find in a barn causes others to think there is a real attack when there is none.
Sadly, there are griefers out there who's entire purpose in life is to circumvent the intended purpose with the sole intent to be a horses back side. What a jerk....
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Very true, DmonSylr.......very hard to regulate, as some people have kids that play, and would need that second account in the household.
I do not know what the answer is, from Hitech's perspective.........but I know this abuse of the system is making me second guess why I would invest 40 - 50 hours a month. Maybe it's time to find a new sim that will offer a fair playing field.
Impossible to regulate. It is not abuse of the system... And you will not find a sim like this where this problem is eliminated.
Do you actually think it would be of sense to attempt to stop people from opening another account? It's not even that BIG a deal...So let's say you run a mission and one guy shows up suspiciously "early", so what? Are there 5? 10? 20 as well?? NO!!...you just need to accept the fact it will not go away and also that's it's not as big a problem in game as it is in your head.
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Ive changed names a few times wayy back, but it was never to gain an advantage, just a change of clothes.
If you use another account to gain an advantage in this game, I feel really bad for you.
If you quit the game because of this, I feel bad for you too. You are missing the fun part of the game. :D
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NO!!...you just need to accept the fact it will not go away and also that's it's not as big a problem in game as it is in your head.
Well....the problem is not "In" my head....it is a very real problem. One that is hurting this community.
2nd.... I do not have to accept it. I simple close my account, and one less player.
It blows me away, that there are actually people that find this acceptable. :headscratch:
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You could "plan" for the possibility.......but why?
If your plan hinges on a complete lack of enemy contact, frankly your plan sucks. What if that goon gets found by a legitimate educated guess? Is it any less dead? Why did you leave your goon unprotected?
Why allow customers the opportunity to abuse the system?
Because there are many legitimate reasons for people to have multiple accounts?
We have all seen the numbers dropping, and it is not because Aces High is an outdated or no fun to play......but it really makes "playing" the sim senseless, when we accept cheating, as part of normal game play.
Again....gamers....combat flight sim enthusiasts are interested in a FAIR environment. Especially the new players. They expect it, when they subscribe.....but I am sure they walk away from the sim, once they realize that people are using these shade accounts and there is no possibly for fair game play.
And the worst thing that will happen is they might have to fight their way into the base and deal with resistance. Some people call that 'gameplay'.
Wiley.
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Well....the problem is not "In" my head....it is a very real problem. One that is hurting this community.
2nd.... I do not have to accept it. I simple close my account, and one less player.
It blows me away, that there are actually people that find this acceptable. :headscratch:
Explain to me the extent of this "very real" problem.
Of course I accept it, people will be people...and you want HiTech to do something about that?
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True......sometimes SHADE is used too quickly, but the numbers of players the sim is losing...is not due to AH being a outdated or it is a bad sim. People are getting sick of losing to these people who use two accounts, and use those accounts to gain an advantage.
the reason for the decline in numbers is not the result of players using "shades". The reason for the decline is that the game is outdated (in terms of graphics and gameplay) that old players are growing bored and new players aren't provided the "hook" for them to stay.
ack-ack
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If you quit the game because of this, I feel bad for you too. You are missing the fun part of the game. :D
If I decide to leave.... I feel bad too. 14 years I have enjoyed this game.....but lately, there has been too many situations where we would try to run a squadron op, only to have the element of surprise taken away because someone pays an extra $14.95 and is being dishonest with the extra account.
This is a great sim and community, but if this form of cheating is allowed and/or accepted, then what's the point?
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This is a great sim and community, but if this form of cheating is allowed and/or accepted, then what's the point?
Having a "shade" account isn't a form of cheating, nor should someone having one be banned or otherwise receive some sort of disciplinary action for having one. The only time anything should be done if there is concrete and verifiable evidence the person is engaging in activities that are in violation of the terms of service, not just for having a 2nd account.
ack-ack
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Come on ack-ack.........that is what I have been saying from the beginning. There are situations where there will be more than one account on one IP address. Having a second account is not the problem. It is when this second account is abused.......and in the Main Arena, it has been abused.
Ask around.....most squadrons that organize and try to execute missions have experienced situations that the only explanation is the "use" of these additional accounts to gain the upper hand.
Gave my .02 cents worth.....some will agree, some will not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
:salute
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Why do some people think combat in a combat game is a bad thing? :headscratch:
What if there really is someone using a 2nd account to spot missions? So what? What happens if he ups to intercept? He's vastly outnumbered. Just kill him. If he find the goon and kills it, well why was the goon unprotected? Goons don't have guns, they can't defend themselves. Give the poor goons some escort. Why was there only 1 goon? ALWAYS bring backup troops. That's base taking 101. You can never have too many goons. If the "spy" brings friends, so what? Kill them as well. Your plane has guns that can do other things besides strafe building and ack. Combat in a combat game is nothing but a good thing and makes the game fun.
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Why do some people think combat in a combat game is a bad thing? :headscratch:
LOVE combat.....in a combat game.
But I also like a fair playing field, where we ALL come to the table with SKILL in hand. Not skill created by an extra $14.95
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What evidence do you have to prove it was a shade account? Most can never provide a single ounce and just pull the BS out of there arse i know because i've done it in a fit of rage :noid, and then claim shaders are destroying the game.
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^^^ Ray Shades^^^ :cool:
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The only kind of missions that I can think of that can be ruined by someone using a 2nd account to spot it is an NOE mission, and I have not seen an NOE mission being busted by a spy in... well... ever (or at least in my experience). NOE missions are usually busted by someone breaking alt for just a moment and someone on the other team noticing a dar appear in the middle of no where and then disappearing. That's usually the #1 sign of an incoming NOE raid. Or, the raiders unknowingly pass through a cv's radar ring. A flashing CV with no radar dots is very suspicious. Or they could stay just out of a bases radar ring but get close enough to make the town flash. The town has it's own kind of "invisible" radar ring that will make the town flash if you enter it.
Every other kind of mission can be spotted by dar bars (when they're working properly that is). The guy doesn't need a 2nd account to spot the mission, he can see a huge dar bar forming on his map.
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This thread has shown two things to be clear.
1-If you are so desperate to win a cartoon airplane game that you create two accounts to do it, then you seriously need to step away from the keyboard, go outside and see the world and if at all possible get laid so you can get your perspective back.
2-if you are so paranoid about winning the game that you see spies whenever your plan doesn't work, then you seriously need to step away from the keyboard, go outside and see the world and if at all possible get laid so you can get your perspective back. :aok
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LOVE combat.....in a combat game.
But I also like a fair playing field, where we ALL come to the table with SKILL in hand. Not skill created by an extra $14.95
Again, what does it matter how the enemy found you? Regardless of whether it was by shading or an educated guess, what difference does it make WHY they are there? They are there, play with them.
This thread has shown two things to be clear.
1-If you are so desperate to win a cartoon airplane game that you create two accounts to do it, then you seriously need to step away from the keyboard, go outside and see the world and if at all possible get laid so you can get your perspective back.
2-if you are so paranoid about winning the game that you see spies whenever your plan doesn't work, then you seriously need to step away from the keyboard, go outside and see the world and if at all possible get laid so you can get your perspective back. :aok
Personally, I think everybody should step away from the keyboard, go outside and see the world and if at all possible get laid. It always improves everything.
Wiley.
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They found the goon! Shade
They found the NOE mission! Shade
They found the m3! Shade
They found the CV in the middle of nowhere! Shade
I have done all of these things by stumbling upon them while going to do something else... No shade, but accused of it each time.
Shade, shade, shade! Hilarious. I love how some of these guys think the only way their "brilliant plans" could be dashed is by shade accounts.
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I never knew it was so extensive. But do you also need a second computer to effectively use a shade?
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As i said, i have never seen a noe mission being ruined in a way that u could excpect a shade. A lot of missions fails because they are predictable, its not rocket science to search for the goon in a straight line from your base and the base the mission was coming from.
Same thing with snailmans beloved dar bar flaw, i have never been intercepted while noe except by pure luck. Shades are a mind ghost by them hwo fails to admit that they were too predictable.
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First I was accused of having a shade when the "Shade Hunters" squad was running an noe mission and flew through my CV's dar. After the hateful PM accusations I told them they had flown through a CV. The response was complete silence. The second time this same squad accused me when I shot down their landed goon. A GV'er on my side saw me flying and called out the goon parked near him. Again I informed them how I had found their goon.
I should not have had to tell them I had a cv in the area and I should not have had to tell them that there was a GV in their area.
While flying this past week, 200 was filled with rants from this squad about how they had created shade accounts so that "my men will have the tools they need to stop this game ruining activity". So they are saying that it is OK for them to use shades because theirs is done for the greater good and is acceptable. I am expected to "trust" this group, to believe that this group would never use their shades to give themselves an advantage when that is exactly what they are doing.
That's just the surface. This kind of paranoid activity fosters dissent and gives an excuse to everyone who has a failed mission to blame it on something besides them selves. We all then end up with a thread like this, fanning the flames and blowing completely out of proportion an activity that is occurring much less than they say, and affecting the gameplay much less than they think.
I played the game fairly. I played the game smartly. When I, during the recent 200 conversation, said that I had been unjustly accused the response I got was, "Well me make mistakes sometimes". Sometimes? Your track record with me is 100% wrong. You guys have pulled even more delusional paranoids into your fold where now we have people saying that shading is so rampant that people are leaving the game because of it. No. If they are leaving the game because of shades, they are leaving because of the false information you have spread and continue to spread.
If you are in this "Shade Hunters" squad, you should be embarrassed and ashamed.
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There is one guy who uses his shade by driving Jeep near enough to a field and parking it in a barn leaving the base to flash constantly. That jeep being hard to find in a barn causes others to think there is a real attack when there is none.
The game provides all the means necessary to find that jeep and kill it, within 5 to 10 minutes of playing time. I'm not saying it's a flaw, and I'm not saying it's the most honorable thing to do in most circumstances, and it's not a hack, but the game itself gives you specific tools to locate that jeep within 5 minutes.
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Im not one to complain about it. Instead I have embraced the fact that people use multiple accounts. To me it adds a certain kind of realism to the game. Intel was used heavily by both allies and axis powers in WW2. I kind of look at it that way. What I have tried to do is embrace it and adapt. So......
Early today I had time to log on this afternoon and noticed once again Bish day crew and even Knits are once again working heavy on the Rooks. I had originally intended to do a strat run and help the guys out that way but having seen the extent of the damage that had been done against my country I decided id try and grab a base back. Got a group of guys rallied and we set off for a bish base. Wouldnt you know some one flew right to a goon who was parked 10 miles away from town as I began my run on town. Radar had been down when he entered the dar ring and he had been there for some time so you put the pieces of that puzzle together. I took every precaution to prevent everything but a shade from preventing the goon from dying before he pushed and my guy executed to a T. Whatever...
Not letting that get me down as it does with so many I asked the same guy in the goon to drive to a different base just to the south of the original target that had no spawn in. 30 minute drive and no indication on the map would be given of what was happening. I climbed to 19k to allow the m3 time to get to the town. Now while i worked on the town there were about 10 planes over the general area of the town that had gone back and forth from the base the m3 launched in a span of 15-20 minutes which is nothing out of the norm. I got the town WF deacked with my lancs and as expected Bish upped in full force to defend the town. So I decided to drop to the deck and pull all those looking for a goon or m3 away from the town. Sure enough they all bit. Before I knew it I was on the deck in lancs fighting a brew, Ki-61, and a 110. I scream on vox rush to town and drop troops as im fighting for my cartoon life. I smoke the brew and the 110, get the kill on the KI-61. As the 110 turns away the m3 calls out troops running and going in....
Boom!!! We take the base and shortly after I land my kill and damage. The feeling we all had was great. A feather in our caps and one to remember for a long time! I could less how others play I do things my way. :salute
I find it ironic that you even mention about shades and spies. let me remind you about your thread about your squad being able to take down 2 hq's at the same time. didnt another player that was on the knight's side helped you by delivering supplies to your friends at the other hq? he also failed to even mention that he found out about your raid at our knight hq and thus actually helped you destroy it.
so while you cry and whine about shades spies, you accept help from somebody that you should be fighting against. did you refuse this help? or should I say your squad refused this help? or did they welcome it?
so tell me again which is more of a problem. your squad's willingness to accept help from players in other countries or your constant search for "shades and spies". :rofl :rofl :rofl
semp
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I find it ironic that you even mention about shades and spies. let me remind you about your thread about your squad being able to take down 2 hq's at the same time. didnt another player that was on the knight's side helped you by delivering supplies to your friends at the other hq? he also failed to even mention that he found out about your raid at our knight hq and thus actually helped you destroy it.
so while you cry and whine about shades spies, you accept help from somebody that you should be fighting against. did you refuse this help? or should I say your squad refused this help? or did they welcome it?
so tell me again which is more of a problem. your squad's willingness to accept help from players in other countries or your constant search for "shades and spies". :rofl :rofl :rofl
semp
semp I'm not nor have ever been a 49r.... I simply gave credit to a squad who drove 5 hrs and dropped both HQs at the same time multiple times.
Seriously semp you need to read.... I don't mind shades. I have learned to adapt to them. What happened yesterday prior to the base take was in fact a shade who used the account to find our goon. I don't care what anyone says none of you were there.
You just look silly right now and are way off topic here. Go back and enjoy read the OP.....
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And on top of that I have yet to take part in a 49r GV HQ assualt....
Now I have taken bases by myself that provides a launching platform for those missions to save them on time....
Btw that knight your referring to is a 49r now who got tired of the knights so good for him for resupping them.
I don't whine about shades I embrace it. I stead of focusing on any negative I simply try to out wit them and yesterday it worked very very well.
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Be quiet wizz
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THIS IS NOT A SHADE COMPLAINT THREAD!!! Snail was right in what he said about too many people crying wolf when there is no wolf.
If you want to complain or discuss shades go start your own thread....
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i think Wizz and Capera need a trip to my chamber also i'll give em a seat next to Ink
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THIS IS NOT A SHADE COMPLAINT THREAD!!! Snail was right in what he said about too many people crying wolf when there is no wolf.
If you want to complain or discuss shades go start your own thread....
We are discussing shades :headscratch:
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i think Wizz and Capera need a trip to my chamber also i'll give em a seat next to Ink
Once again read otherwise look stupid....
Cap and I share two different opinions.
:x. And whether you guys wreck my thread or not.....
It all still happened. As stated in the thread title there is not a lot more satisfying then what Dundee and I did yesterday. The shade was just a small part of a larger story :banana:
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What happened yesterday prior to the base take was in fact a shade who used the account to find our goon. I don't care what anyone says none of you were there.
Proof, or you're just talking out your backside.
Wiley.
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:banana: :x :aok :neener: :rock :banana: :aok :x :rock :neener: :x :aok :D :ahand
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THIS IS NOT A SHADE COMPLAINT THREAD!!! Snail was right in what he said about too many people crying wolf when there is no wolf.
If you want to complain or discuss shades go start your own thread....
Are you delusional? You started this thread with the title:
There's not a lot more satisfying then outwitting a shade
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This thread has shown two things to be clear.
1-If you are so desperate to win a cartoon airplane game that you create two accounts to do it, then you seriously need to step away from the keyboard, go outside and see the world and if at all possible get laid so you can get your perspective back.
2-if you are so paranoid about winning the game that you see spies whenever your plan doesn't work, then you seriously need to step away from the keyboard, go outside and see the world and if at all possible get laid so you can get your perspective back. :aok
Lmao that is just funny right there.
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Proof, or you're just talking out your backside.
Wiley.
BWA haha hahaha I'm not about to waste another minute with you guys. I'm not here to explain myself anymore than I have. I can't tell you how rewarding this all is including post like semp's and yours!
Laterz haterz :neener:
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BWA haha hahaha I'm not about to waste another minute with you guys. I'm not here to explain myself anymore than I have. I can't tell you how rewarding this all is including post like semp's and yours!
Laterz haterz :neener:
I'm sure your grandfather would be real proud of you kid.
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Im not one to complain about it. Instead I have embraced the fact that people use multiple accounts. To me it adds a certain kind of realism to the game. Intel was used heavily by both allies and axis powers in WW2. I kind of look at it that way. What I have tried to do is embrace it and adapt. So......
Early today I had time to log on this afternoon and noticed once again Bish day crew and even Knits are once again working heavy on the Rooks. I had originally intended to do a strat run and help the guys out that way but having seen the extent of the damage that had been done against my country I decided id try and grab a base back. Got a group of guys rallied and we set off for a bish base. Wouldnt you know some one flew right to a goon who was parked 10 miles away from town as I began my run on town. Radar had been down when he entered the dar ring and he had been there for some time so you put the pieces of that puzzle together. I took every precaution to prevent everything but a shade from preventing the goon from dying before he pushed and my guy executed to a T. Whatever...
Not letting that get me down as it does with so many I asked the same guy in the goon to drive to a different base just to the south of the original target that had no spawn in. 30 minute drive and no indication on the map would be given of what was happening. I climbed to 19k to allow the m3 time to get to the town. Now while i worked on the town there were about 10 planes over the general area of the town that had gone back and forth from the base the m3 launched in a span of 15-20 minutes which is nothing out of the norm. I got the town WF deacked with my lancs and as expected Bish upped in full force to defend the town. So I decided to drop to the deck and pull all those looking for a goon or m3 away from the town. Sure enough they all bit. Before I knew it I was on the deck in lancs fighting a brew, Ki-61, and a 110. I scream on vox rush to town and drop troops as im fighting for my cartoon life. I smoke the brew and the 110, get the kill on the KI-61. As the 110 turns away the m3 calls out troops running and going in....
Boom!!! We tak
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Different opinions are healthy.
I won't contribute any more to this thread, if that works better for you.
Cheers
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semp I'm not nor have ever been a 49r.... I simply gave credit to a squad who drove 5 hrs and dropped both HQs at the same time multiple times.
Seriously semp you need to read.... I don't mind shades. I have learned to adapt to them. What happened yesterday prior to the base take was in fact a shade who used the account to find our goon. I don't care what anyone says none of you were there.
You just look silly right now and are way off topic here. Go back and enjoy read the OP.....
funny because you yourself has stated that the 49th is your home away from home, your words. as you stated that is your second squad. and the fact that you yourself acknowledged again that there was help from other countries just proves that you really dont have to have a shade. just somebody willing to help you.
semp
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I stumbled across a set goons a good ways from the base once .
I agree with Lusche on this one. Probably not a shade albeit it is still possible.
Although the odds of a single plane finding a parked, distant goon are remote, the probability of finding a remote, hidden goon on any day is reasonable given enough hours of play.
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A lot of people don't seem to understand that when a base comes under attack, occasionally people realize "Hey. They're likely going to have a goon for this attempt at taking the base. The attack is coming from this direction, so they're likely going to be a few miles out somewhere off the attack line." and they go looking for it.
What the guy in the goon doesn't see is the times the defender guesses wrong and they don't even see him. What occasionally also happens, is multiple defenders go looking for the goons in different directions.
So rather than defend their goons, people hang them out to dry and assume it had to be teh spiez when it's found and shot down. Security through obscurity is not security. The game proves this time and again.
Wiley.
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funny because you yourself has stated that the 49th is your home away from home, your words. as you stated that is your second squad. and the fact that you yourself acknowledged again that there was help from other countries just proves that you really dont have to have a shade. just somebody willing to help you.
semp
As far as that situation is concerned I had no prior knowledge until you brought it up that a knight was helping them. I can only assume who that person but im 100% I know who it is.
Now having said that.... I know for a fact who the goon killer was and know for a fact he uses multiple accounts but thats ok to me I dont care whether someone shades or not. I personally love the idea of multiple accounts its just that if I can ever get to that point I want to use them on the same country having one as my FineTime account and the other strictly for buffs to work strats and bases. I love the idea and the fact its allowed by HTC to have multiple accounts under 1 credit card.
I openly accept the reality that is faced when it comes to shades. I know several who have admitted it to me over the years and I respect their privacy. It was a shade player who found this goon and im good with that. It forced me to adjust my strategy and it paid off big time! After the failed attempt nothing short of perfection happened. everything went right it was a well defended base and we were the better men!
As far as the low blow about pops not being proud of me.... could you try any harder??? LOL please???? I mean find some dirt on me and please humilate me... make it count if your gonna take a jab or try to hurt my wittle feelings :rofl
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A lot of people don't seem to understand that when a base comes under attack, occasionally people realize "Hey. They're likely going to have a goon for this attempt at taking the base. The attack is coming from this direction, so they're likely going to be a few miles out somewhere off the attack line." and they go looking for it.
What the guy in the goon doesn't see is the times the defender guesses wrong and they don't even see him. What occasionally also happens, is multiple defenders go looking for the goons in different directions.
So rather than defend their goons, people hang them out to dry and assume it had to be teh spiez when it's found and shot down. Security through obscurity is not security. The game proves this time and again.
Wiley.
Wiley your 100% correct! This was not a complaint thread im not against multiple accoutns and if someone has them I dont care how they use them thats just me. I play this game for bombing and base takes. Those are my strengths. I sneak when I have to and the rest of the time coordinate defended base takes. What you pointed out ive made those mistakes time and time again until I learned the hard way. Ive got to a point where I know what to do to prevent loosing a goon and only ask those who follow my commands to run them for me. In this particular situation I deliberately placed the goon in an area only a shade /spy could find him and he got the goon and it was someone i know to do this sort of thing. Thats ok cause he cant see an m3 :) and planned b worked :aok and boy was it defended heavily. Love playing on others greed for kills when trying to take a base!
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Here's a shade scenario I've seen many times and even reported when I had evidence. It has been used on me.
Player uses a shade to spot and target other players to shoot them down over and over.
These shade actions have driven players out of the game.
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How do you determine exactly which are the shade players? What proof do you have? There have been a few times I have been convinced of the existence of a player with two accounts (or a friendly spotting for him) but still can't prove it. How many shades are playing, would you say and can you show me the complete roster of shades?
It's not that hard to figure out who had a shade account (imo they are very few but do exist). Either, as discussed elsewhere on this thread, the shade has been killed by his master a million times to add rank to said master, or the shade is virtually omnipresent yet rarely if ever ups anything. I PMed a rook of the latter type and he verified and justified his behavior, so I'm 100% certain they do exist (and not just the rook in question, there are other examples not worth the time to go into here). But, as I said before, I think they are very rare. I'd quit the game if they became common: i'm a bomber pilot and I need alt and at least a modicum of an element of surprise to survive.
Plus, being sneaky is fun. :grin:
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Orrr, you can simply look at the top fighters list.
Womblovr - you can't be serious- nice stats in the PJ
GEICO- how obvious could it be here.
Xoas- guess we already know that one...
Sten- may or may not be a shade. Never seen em before.
Achilles- may or may not be a shade. :rolleyes:
Creampie- kinda like that one hahaha
You see, that's just how easy it is. I'm not saying these guys are doing anything wrong. I'm not saying they have more than one account. They could have simply just changed their name. I'm not saying they are using shades to win the war. I am saying that they are experienced players who changed their name to go incognito. There are many others who do this not in the top ranks. It just adds some excitement to me, and even I wonder sometimes who they use to be.
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Orrr, you can simply look at the top fighters list.
Womblovr - you can't be serious- nice stats in the PJ
GEICO- how obvious could it be here.
Xoas- guess we already know that one...
Sten- may or may not be a shade. Never seen em before.
Achilles- may or may not be a shade. :rolleyes:
Creampie- kinda like that one hahaha
You see, that's just how easy it is. I'm not saying these guys are doing anything wrong. I'm not saying they have more than one account. They could have simply just changed their name. I'm not saying they are using shades to win the war. I am saying that they are experienced players who changed their name to go incognito. There are many others who do this not in the top ranks. It just adds some excitement to me, and even I wonder sometimes who they use to be.
Hehehe. I'm hoping these are returning players. I'm guessing some may be tuning up before reactivating their original name and announcing that they have returned. I have noticed more of this lately than ever. I think it's guys re-subbing and getting ready to fly the updated version.
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As far as that situation is concerned I had no prior knowledge until you brought it up that a knight was helping them. I can only assume who that person but im 100% I know who it is.
it was posted on your own thread and it was almost at the top. perhaps you didnt now when posted the thread about the mission but you knew about it before today. and you sure you arent 100% sure because you posted something that sounded like you are 100% sure.
Btw that knight your referring to is a 49r now who got tired of the knights so good for him for resupping them.
funny but that guy sounds like he's the perfect definition of a spy. where's your outrage against him? me I couldnt care less. his 15 bucks.
semp
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It's not that hard to figure out who had a shade account (imo they are very few but do exist). Either, as discussed elsewhere on this thread, the shade has been killed by his master a million times to add rank to said master, or the shade is virtually omnipresent yet rarely if ever ups anything. I PMed a rook of the latter type and he verified and justified his behavior, so I'm 100% certain they do exist (and not just the rook in question, there are other examples not worth the time to go into here). But, as I said before, I think they are very rare. I'd quit the game if they became common: i'm a bomber pilot and I need alt and at least a modicum of an element of surprise to survive.
Plus, being sneaky is fun. :grin:
vulching your own shade account will cause the reset of your score. trust me it has happened many times, caldera has found a couple who even scored at the front page later to have their scores removed.
semp
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For example, in Tour 97, the last half of the month was played purely for score. A base capture each in GV and Bombers, shooting a town with PT rockets and uber timid flying (almost exclusively in an uber plane) garnered an overall rank of #19.
Last month's Tour 181, my overall rank was #1080. Which tour rank is an accurate snapshot of my "talent"?
367th did this 2-3 years ago...you CAN get high rank w/this 'system'....
but it is BORING...
my apologies for those who can NOT stand losing their precious....rank
JGroth
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Wizz and Capera we love you two. Wizz has done a ton to help the 49th gv battalions reach their goals. when he sees a base that we can launch raids from he takes it and leaves us a note. then BOOM HQ down or base rolled by Gvs. Capera and Wizz spend alot of time on vox flying with us and when they have squaddies on the three squads start taking base after base. shade or no shades against us we get the job done. I dislike shades but lets face it theres no way to get rid of them so we will just adapt and overcome. <S> 49Boob
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Wizz and Capera we love you two. Wizz has done a ton to help the 49th gv battalions reach their goals. when he sees a base that we can launch raids from he takes it and leaves us a note. then BOOM HQ down or base rolled by Gvs. Capera and Wizz spend alot of time on vox flying with us and when they have squaddies on the three squads start taking base after base. shade or no shades against us we get the job done. I dislike shades but lets face it theres no way to get rid of them so we will just adapt and overcome. <S> 49Boob
:salute
I don't think I've ever seen such a warped minded gamer such as semp. This guy thinks he's got something on me because he followed my buffs on time running as errand boy for the more talented sticks in his squad. Hey, every body needs an errand boy! It just too bad he can't make more of an impact. So much potential wasted....
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i like semp and hes a fun fight. but theres very few people i dont like in the game and i try not to bash unless its for sport
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i like semp and hes a fun fight. but theres very few people i dont like in the game and i try not to bash unless its for sport
Semp is an ankle biting errand boy who would rather read a thread title then the OP and make baseless accusations that carry little weight. :neener:
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Semp is an ankle biting errand boy who would rather read a thread title then the OP and make baseless accusations that carry little weight. :neener:
baseless accusations? you admitted to all of them :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
semp
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baseless accusations? you admitted to all of them :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
semp
Once again poor wittle semp reaches but comes up short.
Prove if or do I have to do that for you?
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yall need to quit biting each others ankles!!!! now kiss and make up
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Film or it didn't happen.
I am the tree, i make the shade. :rock
And like, Htc is the sun, and they will burn you!