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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on January 08, 2009, 07:24:34 AM
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People are complaining ever more about being Hoed, rammed, getting no support and getting 5 hits on a jeep with a Tiger and they all bounce off????
It never happens to me except when I occasionally get ho ed or rammed if I fly too close to the front of another plane.
Anyway I feel genuine sympathy for all those who are ungfairly discriminated against on a regular basis by the game and the other players ;) these are people who if they didnt suffer such terrible victimisation and bad luck would obviously be star players and recognised as such :D
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You got it all wrong!!
The louder you whine, the brighter you shine!!
I mean... lookit all the shiny stars I have!!!!
:noid
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People are complaining ever more about being Hoed, rammed, getting no support and getting 5 hits on a jeep with a Tiger and they all bounce off????
It never happens to me except when I occasionally get ho ed or rammed if I fly too close to the front of another plane.
Anyway I feel genuine sympathy for all those who are ungfairly discriminated against on a regular basis by the game and the other players ;) these are people who if they didnt suffer such terrible victimisation and bad luck would obviously be star players and recognised as such :D
It's because you're too busy HOing peolple and watching 88's bounce off the M-3 you're driving to notice.....
:rofl :noid :lol :noid ;) :noid :D :noid :P
wrongway
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People are complaining ever more about being Hoed, rammed, getting no support and getting 5 hits on a jeep with a Tiger and they all bounce off????
It never happens to me except when I occasionally get ho ed or rammed if I fly too close to the front of another plane.
Anyway I feel genuine sympathy for all those who are ungfairly discriminated against on a regular basis by the game and the other players ;) these are people who if they didnt suffer such terrible victimisation and bad luck would obviously be star players and recognised as such :D
:aok
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People are complaining ever more about being Hoed, rammed, getting no support and getting 5 hits on a jeep with a Tiger and they all bounce off????
It never happens to me except when I occasionally get ho ed or rammed if I fly too close to the front of another plane.
Anyway I feel genuine sympathy for all those who are ungfairly discriminated against on a regular basis by the game and the other players ;) these are people who if they didnt suffer such terrible victimisation and bad luck would obviously be star players and recognised as such :D
sooo...what youre saying, is it never happens to you, but it does happen to you, right?
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sooo...what youre saying, is it never happens to you, but it does happen to you, right?
I dont think it does:
If I get Hoed its because I allow it to happen or rammed.
I have never hit anything with a high caliibre shell in a vulnerable spot and not desroyed it.
If people are not doing something else they will help with a base take or defence in my experience and always have done.
I get loads of Check Sixes except from people without vox who dont know how to do it or havent got it set up to work easily.
The most annoying thing about the game is all the moaning, blaming other people for ones shortcomings, getting all worked up over nothing, making ridiculous accusations about other countries players as generalisations.
I know its only a vocal minority but it makes the gaming community sound like allot of poorly socialised and under developed children. The comments and attitiude wouldnt be out of place in a badly behaved 10 year olds soccer game :rolleyes: :cry :D
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I dont think it does:
If I get Hoed its because I allow it to happen or rammed.
I have never hit anything with a high caliibre shell in a vulnerable spot and not desroyed it.
If people are not doing something else they will help with a base take or defence in my experience and always have done.
I get loads of Check Sixes except from people without vox who dont know how to do it or havent got it set up to work easily.
The most annoying thing about the game is all the moaning, blaming other people for ones shortcomings, getting all worked up over nothing, making ridiculous accusations about other countries players as generalisations.
I know its only a vocal minority but it makes the gaming community sound like allot of poorly socialised and under developed children. The comments and attitiude wouldnt be out of place in a badly behaved 10 year olds soccer game :rolleyes: :cry :D
I KNOW.....
i was joking.
:D
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I think 90% of my collisions happen when I'm at 3 beers or more. ;)
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I KNOW.....
i was joking.
:D
heheheheh good its important to keep a sense of humour especially a sense of the ridulous in this game.
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heheheheh good its important to keep a sense of humour especially a sense of the ridulous in this game.
that's why i keep this effed up sense of humor goin.
when i log on, if i feel in a bad mood, or don't feel like flying a fighter, then i up lancs, and bomb whatwever i think'll piss off the red guys. :devil
if i wanna REALLY piss em off, i do it in JU88's :devil :rofl
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If I get Hoed its because I allow it to happen
Actually it is because your up against an opponent who is not interested in the fight... just the kill. Normally it is a person that has not learned how to use their aircraft and has no idea what it can actually do.
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Actually it is because your up against an opponent who is not interested in the fight... just the kill. Normally it is a person that has not learned how to use their aircraft and has no idea what it can actually do.
If i turn away from a ho and I expect people to HO is they can 9 x out of 10 I survive. The trick imho is not to get in a HO situation to start with.
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People are complaining ever more about being Hoed, rammed, getting no support and getting 5 hits on a jeep with a Tiger and they all bounce off????
It never happens to me except when I occasionally get ho ed or rammed if I fly too close to the front of another plane.
Anyway I feel genuine sympathy for all those who are ungfairly discriminated against on a regular basis by the game and the other players ;) these are people who if they didnt suffer such terrible victimisation and bad luck would obviously be star players and recognised as such :D
Lets see
Hoed: You admit that it happens to you
Rammed: You admit that it happens to you
Support: No idea what you are talking about. Buy a new bra maybe?
Jeep vs Tiger: What are those?
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You just havent lived long enough.
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Lets see
Hoed: You admit that it happens to you
Rammed: You admit that it happens to you
Support: No idea what you are talking about. Buy a new bra maybe?
Jeep vs Tiger: What are those?
Look up the words "Responsibility" and "Taking" then make a sentence including those words and "its" "time" "to" "start" "and" "acting" "like" "an" "adult" :pray
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Actually it is because your up against an opponent who is not interested in the fight... just the kill. Normally it is a person that has not learned how to use their aircraft and has no idea what it can actually do.
I think these nose to nose I am not shooting passes are fine in the DA but in the MA i don't expect to fight duels. Anyone who is surprised that they get hoed if they fight like that in the ma is at best naive :D
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Still has the same meaning..... someone that does not know much about their plane of choice or maybe they know their lack of ability in said plane.
I was up on one side last night for a couple hours then switched because numbers changed. Someone I had been flying with earlier came to defend a base I was approaching and commenced to attempt 2 HOs and made hits with third HO. He was in a trainer too.... about as sad as you can get.
If you want to defend the Ho go ahead, it says alot about you to the Ah community.
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Look up the words "Responsibility" and "Taking" then make a sentence including those words and "its" "time" "to" "start" "and" "acting" "like" "an" "adult" :pray
"Its" my "Responsibility" to not "Take" such posts seriously "and" assume that the "adult" behind the keyboard is able to "take" a joke. If not, "its" "time" for said "adult" to "start" developing a sense of humor instead of "acting" "like" a baby.
How is that? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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"Its" my "Responsibility" to not "Take" such posts seriously "and" assume that the "adult" behind the keyboard is able to "take" a joke. If not, "its" "time" for said "adult" to "start" developing a sense of humor instead of "acting" "like" a baby.
How is that? :rofl :rofl :rofl
:rofl
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"Its" my "Responsibility" to not "Take" such posts seriously "and" assume that the "adult" behind the keyboard is able to "take" a joke. If not, "its" "time" for said "adult" to "start" developing a sense of humor instead of "acting" "like" a baby.
How is that? :rofl :rofl :rofl
Sorry I have got sick of all the whingeing on here lately otherwise I wouldnt have made the post in the first place, its even worse in the game and is a self fullfilling prophecy anyway i.e. "Its not like it used to be".
The paradox is you end up moaning and complaining about all the moaning and complaining. None of the terrible injustices occur to me so I cant relate. The reason they dont happen is because Iam not an overgrown tetosterone fuelled adolescent living at the centre of my own universe and thinking I am a great pilot when i am clearly barely average.
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Still has the same meaning..... someone that does not know much about their plane of choice or maybe they know their lack of ability in said plane.
If you want to defend the Ho go ahead, it says alot about you to the Ah community.
If someone isnt a good pilot or doesnt know their plane and you are/do you kill them, if you let them HO you 3 times you arn't as good as you think you are. Thats my experience of the game.
There are allot out there who cry when others dont fly how they want them too. Its the unpredictability of real people that makes the game appealing.
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Sorry I have got sick of all the whingeing on here lately otherwise I wouldnt have made the post in the first place, its even worse in the game and is a self fullfilling prophecy anyway i.e. "Its not like it used to be".
The paradox is you end up moaning and complaining about all the moaning and complaining. None of the terrible injustices occur to me so I cant relate. The reason they dont happen is because Iam not an overgrown tetosterone fuelled adolescent living at the centre of my own universe and thinking I am a great pilot when i am clearly barely average.
$1 says that they happen but you don't notice or exaggerate about them because it does not bother you and you are having fun
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$1 says that they happen but you don't notice or exaggerate about them because it does not bother you and you are having fun
Honestly now (and you can keep your dollar this is free), I am not NEO from the matrix but I can see why things happen and how they can be avoided. Like I said if you fight like in a duel in the DA in the MA you risk being hoed. I dont want to get HOED so I dont give people the chance.
Also when my squad fights another in the DA we fight first merge no HO'S after that anything goes and their are very few if any. As far as all the other stuff is concerned it logically evens out over time and in reality also so I dont take it personally and dont get upsett.
Furthermore I ve been on many surprise mass atacks with the knights and its all WTG, Bish or Rook do it and its a Horde of some sort of tard's or others. Its not surprising allot people go to war its a way to fill otherwise empty heads with noise :uhoh
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Actually it is because your up against an opponent who is not interested in the fight... just the kill. Normally it is a person that has not learned how to use their aircraft and has no idea what it can actually do.
Sounds like the 4th D-Chicks that have been flying around 25k-30k in the MW arena and running from anything that can shoot a spitwad.
ack-ack
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lurking around 600ft just outside a bad guys base is my latest past time, sometimes it pays off and you get a good fight with someone, but othertimes you end up with the usual assortment of crates all fighting each other to feed of the scraps, makes me laugh sometimes when I'm all busted up, oil damge, flap missing etc and you get around 3-4 of them all probably bickering on local vox about who's kill it is as they are trying to finish me off :)
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lurking around 600ft just outside a bad guys base is my latest past time, sometimes it pays off and you get a good fight with someone, but othertimes you end up with the usual assortment of crates all fighting each other to feed of the scraps, makes me laugh sometimes when I'm all busted up, oil damge, flap missing etc and you get around 3-4 of them all probably bickering on local vox about who's kill it is as they are trying to finish me off :)
WHAT works sometimes too, is to come in at about 5 or 6k, and fly slower.....like bomber speed slow........often someone will up, and grab like a bastage to get an easy buff kill...only to find some fun awaiting him. :devil
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lol AKAK those D-Chicks were really quiet last night weren't they.
It was not one of them. It was actually the guy that was flying with me earlier when I was on rooks side.
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Hi! I'm Riceball. A new player and I HO.
It's not because I prefer too. It's because often it's the only shot I get on the alt monkeys who think they have dogfighting skills in this game will allow.
In the MA. My job is to kill you. Not be your dance partner for ten mins. As I am most likely in my Zeek. I know you will HO me. So I do unto others before they can do unto me. I am defending or attacking a base. You need to be dead and gone.
I fly the zeek because I PREFER the twisting turning dogfight. I have killed, and been killed in many twisty turny fights. But if bnz is all the enemy is doing, then I'm taking the shots presented.
So lets put everyone on notice here. If your supierior ACM skills put you in a HO situation w/me. Pull the trigger. Because I am. If your hot on the tail of a teammate. I will drop in and attempt to kill you unless waved off by my teammate. You can call it picking. I call it your inability to reconize your situation.
I tried in my first weeks to play in the manner some here promote. I wound up HO'd and in the tower far more often than not. I realized the MA is not about 1 vs 1. But base taking and defending. The DA is a whole different story and I abide by the established rules. Written and unwritten.
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Hi! I'm Riceball. A new player and I HO.
It's not because I prefer too. It's because often it's the only shot I get on the alt monkeys who think they have dogfighting skills in this game will allow.
In the MA. My job is to kill you. Not be your dance partner for ten mins. As I am most likely in my Zeek. I know you will HO me. So I do unto others before they can do unto me. I am defending or attacking a base. You need to be dead and gone.
I fly the zeek because I PREFER the twisting turning dogfight. I have killed, and been killed in many twisty turny fights. But if bnz is all the enemy is doing, then I'm taking the shots presented.
So lets put everyone on notice here. If your supierior ACM skills put you in a HO situation w/me. Pull the trigger. Because I am. If your hot on the tail of a teammate. I will drop in and attempt to kill you unless waved off by my teammate. You can call it picking. I call it your inability to reconize your situation.
I tried in my first weeks to play in the manner some here promote. I wound up HO'd and in the tower far more often than not. I realized the MA is not about 1 vs 1. But base taking and defending. The DA is a whole different story and I abide by the established rules. Written and unwritten.
No thanks....I'll take the chance of getting towered by a weaker players Ho while I try to get someone who can actually turn fight. In a "GAME" it's all about having fun and that is what makes it fun for me, the fight. If I run into a zeke that just Hos because he can't actually fly his cartoon plane then so be it. I'll still take the chance that it might be a good stick looking for a fight.
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WHAT works sometimes too, is to come in at about 5 or 6k, and fly slower.....like bomber speed slow........often someone will up, and grab like a bastage to get an easy buff kill...only to find some fun awaiting him. :devil
Dunce (old 479th squadron mate) and I used to up fully loaded P-38Ls (100% fuel, 2 DTs) and fly to the nearest enemy HQ, cruising at bomber speed. Sure enough, just like you described, some would up looking for an easy buff kill (this was before buff formations) and instead got the shock of seeing 2 P-38Ls instead.
ack-ack
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I know you will HO me. So I do unto others before they can do unto me.
And that is why you'll never get out of the gutter of mediocrity.
Instead of getting into the "If I can't fight 'em, I'll join 'em!" mentality, take some time to go to the TA and get with a trainer. Also, go to the various websites like Netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org) and read the fantastic lectures and write ups that have been gathered over the last decade. Search the web and get your grubby fingers on any books about ACM and tactics you can find and read them over and over. Sure, it can be a pain in the arse and it won't make you an 'Experten' over night but it will make you one.
ack-ack
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Hi! I'm Riceball. A new player and I HO.
It's not because I prefer too. It's because often it's the only shot I get on the alt monkeys who think they have dogfighting skills in this game will allow.
In the MA. My job is to kill you. Not be your dance partner for ten mins. As I am most likely in my Zeek. I know you will HO me. So I do unto others before they can do unto me. I am defending or attacking a base. You need to be dead and gone.
I fly the zeek because I PREFER the twisting turning dogfight. I have killed, and been killed in many twisty turny fights. But if bnz is all the enemy is doing, then I'm taking the shots presented.
So lets put everyone on notice here. If your supierior ACM skills put you in a HO situation w/me. Pull the trigger. Because I am. If your hot on the tail of a teammate. I will drop in and attempt to kill you unless waved off by my teammate. You can call it picking. I call it your inability to reconize your situation.
I tried in my first weeks to play in the manner some here promote. I wound up HO'd and in the tower far more often than not. I realized the MA is not about 1 vs 1. But base taking and defending. The DA is a whole different story and I abide by the established rules. Written and unwritten.
go to the ta, and someone will teach you how to avoid the ho.
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Dunce (old 479th squadron mate) and I used to up fully loaded P-38Ls (100% fuel, 2 DTs) and fly to the nearest enemy HQ, cruising at bomber speed. Sure enough, just like you described, some would up looking for an easy buff kill (this was before buff formations) and instead got the shock of seeing 2 P-38Ls instead.
ack-ack
yep...and then the fun begins. :D
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And that is why you'll never get out of the gutter of mediocrity.
Instead of getting into the "If I can't fight 'em, I'll join 'em!" mentality, take some time to go to the TA and get with a trainer. Also, go to the various websites like Netaces.org and read the fantastic lectures and writes that have been gathered over the last decade. Search the web and get your grubby fingers on any books about ACM and tactics you can find and read them over and over. Sure, it can be a pain in the arse and it won't make you an 'Experten' over night but it will make you one.
ack-ack
I am. Netaces is bookmarked and a daily read. I have saved Agent360's movies and I study the ACM used. (And i search these forums daily for new material.) I have asked on the forums for more Zero related advice. The HO is not my prefered shot, (as I stated.) But I am not above useing it when the target gives no other options. I could up a spitfire like everyone else. I don't consider it to be good starter plane. It's too easy. Shot opertunitys are few and far between in the Zeek unless you find em low and slow. I think surviving a furball in a zeek is a far better test to my skills than just about any other bird.
I don't think HO's would be such a bane to people if the pilots doing the HO would learn to turn away and not ram thier targets so much lol.
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I duel a couple of my good friends regularly who are very average pilots at best. I tell them to hold on HOing on the first merge but any other chance they get to put guns on me, go for it. This gives me the opportunity to craft my merges away from the instinctual flying style of just pointing your nose at the red dot any chance you get which has given me a very strong MA style of flying.
There are 3 situations however I have come across where a HO is hardest to avoid. (Feel free to give me some advice or tips on these scenarios if you have any)
1) Deck merge (especially when slow). You can try your best to avoid the HO but if they really want to shoot you, they usually can no matter how much avoidance you attempt. (Are there any juke moves that will ensure a miss here?)
2) In a turn fight enemy out E's you and is above you and coming down at you. You have enough E to point your nose up at him which might work in a duel, but in the MA it seems this is futile.
3) Reversing a sharp turner. Early in a fight you reverse, say a spit9 or a n1k2, and come around and are 'waiting' for him to come into your front view and instead of him coming in, he finishes off his turn sharper than you anticipated and comes right up at you and shoots you.
Most other situations I feel like can be easily avoided without giving the enemy any tactical advantage.
If you are constantly finding yourself in head on situations, your tactics may be off. I'd go see a trainer and ask him to teach you how to avoid HOs and gain advantage in doing so.
Here's a very short film on how to avoid a HO and gain an advantage on the deck when a plane is trailing you.
http://www.speedyshare.com/810218191.html (http://www.speedyshare.com/810218191.html)
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And that is why you'll never get out of the gutter of mediocrity.
Instead of getting into the "If I can't fight 'em, I'll join 'em!" mentality, take some time to go to the TA and get with a trainer. Also, go to the various websites like Netaces.org and read the fantastic lectures and writes that have been gathered over the last decade. Search the web and get your grubby fingers on any books about ACM and tactics you can find and read them over and over. Sure, it can be a pain in the arse and it won't make you an 'Experten' over night but it will make you one.
ack-ack
I am. Netaces is bookmarked and a daily read. I have saved Agent360's movies and I study the ACM used. (And i search these forums daily for new material.) I have asked on the forums for more Zero related advice. The HO is not my prefered shot, (as I stated.) But I am not above useing it when the target gives no other options. I could up a spitfire like everyone else. I don't consider it to be good starter plane. It's too easy. Shot opertunitys are few and far between in the Zeek unless you find em low and slow. I think surviving a furball in a zeek is a far better test to my skills than just about any other bird.
I don't think HO's would be such a bane to people if the pilots doing the HO would learn to turn away and not ram thier targets so much lol.
i saw a couple pretty good answers in your zeek thread...i put one there with my feelings on how she flys.....but....
have you checked out this thread? http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,253819.0.html
this one is almost information overload....and DTango does an excellent job of explaining along with pics, and a video near the end of the thread.
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I duel a couple of my good friends regularly who are very average pilots at best. I tell them to hold on HOing on the first merge but any other chance they get to put guns on me, go for it. This gives me the opportunity to craft my merges away from the instinctual flying style of just pointing your nose at the red dot any chance you get which has given me a very strong MA style of flying.
There are 3 situations however I have come across where a HO is hardest to avoid. (Feel free to give me some advice or tips on these scenarios if you have any)
1) Deck merge (especially when slow). You can try your best to avoid the HO but if they really want to shoot you, they usually can no matter how much avoidance you attempt. (Are there any juke moves that will ensure a miss here?)i try to "slip" or roll to one side or the other.
2) In a turn fight enemy out E's you and is above you and coming down at you. You have enough E to point your nose up at him which might work in a duel, but in the MA it seems this is futile.try to make yourself skinny. don't point ur nose up at him, but rather try to turn in such a way as to soil his shot on you. sometimes you can regain a bit of speed in the process too.
3) Reversing a sharp turner. Early in a fight you reverse, say a spit9 or a n1k2, and come around and are 'waiting' for him to come into your front view and instead of him coming in, he finishes off his turn sharper than you anticipated and comes right up at you and shoots you. loose sight, loose the fight.
Most other situations I feel like can be easily avoided without giving the enemy any tactical advantage.
If you are constantly finding yourself in head on situations, your tactics may be off. I'd go see a trainer and ask him to teach you how to avoid HOs and gain advantage in doing so.
Here's a very short film on how to avoid a HO and gain an advantage on the deck when a plane is trailing you.
http://www.speedyshare.com/810218191.html (http://www.speedyshare.com/810218191.html)
now, those suggestions being put out......i generally suck at avoiding the ho, but i keep trying.
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Honch’s Guide to HO’ing
#1 Use a plane with 50 cals. Do not fear the heavy cannon planes like 190s and Typhoons. A 20mm, 30mm or 37mm cannon does no damage if it never hits you and if you follow the steps below they wont.
#2 Turn off tracers – so the other pilot won’t know when you start shooting.
#3 Set your convergences to the maximum distance allowed on your 50-cal plane of choice.
#4 To set up the shot, enter a dive until you are below the target then turn up into them so that when you will approach the other HO’er you will be in a slight climb. That way, if you both get damaged, you’ll be on the way up and they’ll be on the way down, ensuring that they smack the ground before you and thereby getting the kill (and the inevitable whine)
#5 Line up the shot so that you have the other plane in your sites at d2.0.
#6 Zoom in and target their left or right wing.
#7 Begin firing at d1.5 – Cease firing at d1.0 and veer off. Your 50s will continue on their laser-guided course until the other guy flies right into them.
#8 Use the ‘F’ key on the keyboard to fire so that your trigger finger doesn’t unsteady your shot.
#9 Turn fast and flat to avoid their cannon trajectory then turn back to them so that they cannot gain angles if they happen to survive.
#10 Be gracious when they whine. If they say “Nice HO jerk”, or something similar, Say: “Thanks! I use Honch’s guide to HO’ing!” -S-
Remember, it always takes 2 to Head-On so Happy HO'ing!
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now, those suggestions being put out......i generally suck at avoiding the ho, but i keep trying.
Yeah well those are generally my tactics but I don't think their success rates are very high in those particular circumstances (maybe like 50%). #3 it's not really a matter of losing the plane, but more so of him turning sharper than I anticipated. And vhooom, he flies into me or below me and shoots me.
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Iam. Netaces is bookmarked and a daily read. I have saved Agent360's movies and I study the ACM used. (And i search these forums daily for new material.) I have asked on the forums for more Zero related advice. The HO is not my prefered shot, (as I stated.) But I am not above useing it when the target gives no other options. I could up a spitfire like everyone else. I don't consider it to be good starter plane. It's too easy. Shot opertunitys are few and far between in the Zeek unless you find em low and slow. I think surviving a furball in a zeek is a far better test to my skills than just about any other bird.
I don't think HO's would be such a bane to people if the pilots doing the HO would learn to turn away and not ram thier targets so much lol.
Ummm the zero is another very easy plane... but you keep on trying to learn.
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go to the ta, and someone will teach you how to avoid the ho.
Thats the spirit. :salute The alternative is to leatn some basic ACM"s and then whinge on here enlessly abour HOtards in La7's along with the rest of the herd.
The point is with the HO people who are less skilled will sometimes win. The answer is move up to the next level and learn to overcome or anoid the HO.
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The answer is move up to the next level and learn to overcome or anoid the HO.
are you saying that you believe you have reached this new level yarbles?, seems a long time since we had that little spit 1 vs a6m2 fun. We should go again soon :aok
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Thats the spirit. :salute The alternative is to leatn some basic ACM"s and then whinge on here enlessly abour HOtards in La7's along with the rest of the herd.
The point is with the HO people who are less skilled will sometimes win. The answer is move up to the next level and learn to overcome or anoid the HO.
actuaslly, i've seen some very very skilled people ho. that pisses me off more than the new players, as they have no excuse, and can easily maneuver for the kill.
i get help from squaddies, and on occasion, when i've been in multi-con engagements, had one of em actually giving me tips. apparently, he was watching me, as he was fighting too.
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Sure enough, just like you described, some would up looking for an easy buff kill (this was before buff formations) and instead got the shock of seeing 2 P-38Ls instead.
ack-ack
Ahem, that IS a buff formation
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Ahem, that IS a buff formation
:rofl
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I duel a couple of my good friends regularly who are very average pilots at best. I tell them to hold on HOing on the first merge but any other chance they get to put guns on me, go for it. This gives me the opportunity to craft my merges away from the instinctual flying style of just pointing your nose at the red dot any chance you get which has given me a very strong MA style of flying.
So, since according to the "rules" HOs are easy to avoid and if you try to pull one off the other guy will be on your six easily, why are the DA merges guns cold? I mean, all one has to do is avoid them and get an easy kill :rofl
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Thats the spirit. :salute The alternative is to leatn some basic ACM"s and then whinge on here enlessly abour HOtards in La7's along with the rest of the herd.
I've found the Ho'ers tend to say someone is whining when they point the culprit out for Hoing. Most are just letting other folks know that they will get no decent fight from that specific individual. That way they can move to another area if they are wanting a fight. The Ho'er attempts to draw away his embarrassment by making whining statements, at least that is what I can figure of it.
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So, since according to the "rules" HOs are easy to avoid and if you try to pull one off the other guy will be on your six easily, why are the DA merges guns cold? I mean, all one has to do is avoid them and get an easy kill :rofl
Because DA merges happen on the deck. MA merges which are not on the deck are the HO's that are easy to avoid when you can come to the side and below, and yes, when they nose down at you and try to HO, you will easily be on their six in one turn. Quit playing devil's advocate Ded. :lol
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Because DA merges happen on the deck. MA merges which are not on the deck are the HO's that are easy to avoid when you can come to the side and below, and yes, when they nose down at you and try to HO, you will easily be on their six in one turn. Quit playing devil's advocate Ded. :lol
Hehe, coming from the side and bellow means there was never a HO opportunity :P You know that is not how it is done in the MA. The majority happen when you are already fighting some one else. You come of a turn and there is his little helper ready to give you a face full. The other time they happen is when you follow someone up and they just loop over for the HO. Both situations, you are slow and on the first most likely on the deck. The situation you describe is not a HO to begin with :lol
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HO tards suck, and ram tards suck, and runtwits suck, and timid hordemonkeys suck....along with scoredorks. :aok
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Everyone sucks except me! neener neener! :D
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Hehe, coming from the side and bellow means there was never a HO opportunity :P You know that is not how it is done in the MA. The majority happen when you are already fighting some one else. You come of a turn and there is his little helper ready to give you a face full. The other time they happen is when you follow someone up and they just loop over for the HO. Both situations, you are slow and on the first most likely on the deck. The situation you describe is not a HO to begin with :lol
:lol :rolleyes: Well I guess I don't come across many HO's then in the MA by your definition Ded. Oh and coming from the side and below, I still get shot sometimes so I still would say it's a "ho" since only a HOer avacado would attempt it. Ho is gray area definition.
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Oh and coming from the side and below, I still get shot sometimes so I still would say it's a "ho" since only a HOer avacado would attempt it.
BS.
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BS.
Pretty troll like comment if you aren't going to join the discussion but instead mask vulgarity from the outside. I never specified how far below and to the side I come in the merge. The enemy is still in my front canopy. So no, it isn't BS.
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You said the when a plane is coming from the side and below and shoots you, you would sometimes call that a "HO" because only a "HOer avacado" would take that shot. I called BS. It either is ALWAYS a HO or NEVER a HO. A HO is not base on the player that does it. It is based on physics. HO = Head on. A plane coming from the side and/or below cannot be going head on with your flight path, therefore it not being a HO.
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Ho is gray area definition.
Erm no it's not. Head on is when both have a gun solution.
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You said the when a plane is coming from the side and below and shoots you, you would sometimes call that a "HO" because only a "HOer avacado" would take that shot. I called BS. It either is ALWAYS a HO or NEVER a HO. A HO is not base on the player that does it. It is based on physics. HO = Head on. A plane coming from the side and/or below cannot be going head on with your flight path, therefore it not being a HO.
Well thanks for explaining yourself!
Erm no it's not. Head on is when both have a gun solution.
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Say I'm on the deck slow and a spit16 is coming in at me 2k out, I know he is going to shoot me head on, so I try to dodge the shot, but he rips my wing off anyways. Well I didn't have guns on him since I tried to dodge him so it wasn't a head on? :rofl
Sure the textbook definition of a head on is what you guys say, both planes have gun solution, but I like to think the AH definition encompasses a little more. We aren't going to agree but it doesn't matter because I know how to dodge them in the game which is what does matter. :aok
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Say I'm on the deck slow and a spit16 is coming in at me 2k out, I know he is going to shoot me head on, so I try to dodge the shot, but he rips my wing off anyways. Well I didn't have guns on him since I tried to dodge him so it wasn't a head on? :rofl
If you do know how to dodge them then the above situation would not occur. :aok
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If you do know how to dodge them then the above situation would not occur. :aok
Lol, the success rate of dodging a head on being slow on the deck against hispanos is not very high. This was an example. Most situations I dodge with ease.
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If you turn away at say 400 yrds, its a fair shot to take. The closer it gets to crossing merge the more lame it is to fire when one person turns away. The most lame being when one person turns away at the last second and the other takes the shot from 20yrds.
I think that is what grizz is getting at.
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If you turn away at say 400 yrds, its a fair shot to take. The closer it gets to crossing merge the more lame it is to fire when one person turns away. The most lame being when one person turns away at the last second and the other takes the shot from 20yrds.
I think that is what grizz is getting at.
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The first merge in a fight imo has the grayest area of HO. If you are firing on the merge, you are probably a avacado unless the nme turns away ridiculously early. As the fight progresses a HO becomes more and more defined and front quarter shots become more acceptable as the planes get slower and advantages are gained through ACM.
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are you saying that you believe you have reached this new level yarbles?, seems a long time since we had that little spit 1 vs a6m2 fun. We should go again soon :aok
I think I have got allot better so yes we should. :rock
I think mentally players who are realistic about their level are less inclined to keep criticisng others. I played allot at the weekend and guess what I didnt get Ho ed mostly becauase I avoided going nose to nose with people. I went low or high at the merge and turned away in guns range then swung back in hard for the turn. It workks imho but if someone is a whinger they will I guess just find something else to whinge about :cool: