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Title: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 02:32:02 AM
It seems the outlaw legends like 11220501  :D 

And MasonZ, I can't believe you let the likes of JohnnyRa and JohnnyJr talk you into this. You should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shane on January 11, 2009, 03:07:30 AM
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=88c0b2034af3281ad8c8d24c1787a2b5
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tec on January 11, 2009, 03:33:59 AM
That's gheyer than two dudes on a crotch rocket.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 03:41:49 AM
That's gayer than Eric Estrada and the Village People being themselves.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: airbumba on January 11, 2009, 03:44:25 AM
1 WORD

RichardSimmons
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 03:50:23 AM
Damn MasonZ, you just went from my coodayla list to avacado list.
OutLaw1, you just went from avacado list to uber avacado list.

Classless way to represent yourselves.

Oh yeah Legend, I don't know you but you're a avacado too on the avacado list with yo boys.

Twat avacado avacado.  Line em up.

<Tries to think of something else enlightening to add...>

TWATS.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Nightshift82 on January 11, 2009, 03:55:05 AM
Goodness that's alot of B24J's and B25C's  :O
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2009, 04:09:23 AM
wow...Masonz just entered into the Biggaymer zone. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lusche on January 11, 2009, 04:13:12 AM
11220501 has 2 kills on ~~OutLaws_LeGeNdS~~
~~OutLaws_LeGeNdS~~ have 547 kills on 11220501

11220501 died 4 times per minute...in planes..for more than 2 hours.

 :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2009, 04:15:36 AM
Sad, all this pathetic behavior just to get perks.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 04:18:36 AM
Sad, all this pathetic behavior just to get perks.


ack-ack

What's really pathetic is that MasonZ is a new SAPP member and did all of his shade vulching in of all planes, a P38.   
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: airbumba on January 11, 2009, 04:20:40 AM
i Can't even takoff at that rate
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Getback on January 11, 2009, 04:22:16 AM
625 Sorties in bombers lol. Not one kill either.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Delirium on January 11, 2009, 04:23:39 AM
That is really disappointing...
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: WMLute on January 11, 2009, 04:43:06 AM
When is HTC going to publicly make examples of these people.

Gaming scores in this fashion used to be a somewhat 'rare' occurrence.  Now we are seeing wide spread behavior of this utter lameness.  Look at how many players/squads have been "outed" in the past month or two?  Let alone how many were never discovered.

I sure wish HTC will step in and DO something about it.  PUBLICLY!.  (well past time)  It is because of people like this the that score/rank system is meaningless.  One would think that Dale would want the score/rank system to mean something, as opposed to the utter joke players like this have made it.

Their scores should be deleted and some sort of "probation" should go into effect where they can't use the score system for 90 days or some such thing.  (possibly wipe out their perk points... dunno what, but SOMETHING)  If there is no consequences for this type of action, then the players will think "HTC doesn't seem to care if we do this, so it must be 'OK' to do".


Not sure why anybody is surprised about Masons.  I've had him pegged for this exact type of behaviour from the get go.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lusche on January 11, 2009, 04:47:13 AM
When is HTC going to publicly make examples of these people.

Their scores should be deleted and some sort of "probation" should go into effect where they can't use the score system for 90 days or something.

(dunno why anybody is surprised about Masonz.  I've had him pegged for this exact type of behaviour from the get go)

If HTC gets proof of such behaviour (not via BBS!), they do lose score & perks. It's just not made public.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Banzzai on January 11, 2009, 04:52:00 AM
the emil is starting to become a good buff hunter this tour aswell  :devil



Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: WMLute on January 11, 2009, 04:57:10 AM
If HTC gets proof of such behaviour (not via BBS!), they do lose score & perks. It's just not made public.

That is half my point sir.

I know they will wipe their scores, but it's very "hush hush" and this type of behavior goes on.  (I would say this type of behavior has accelerated)

If someone stole something, and the police just privately took the item back and that was the end of it, we would have thefts galore, as there is really no consequence to the action.

Because they wipe the scores they obviously feel that this type of behavior is wrong.  Why not come right out and do something that will make people think twice about exhibiting this behaviour?  I am talking about making some examples, and doing it publicly.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: whiteman on January 11, 2009, 05:04:38 AM
Sad, all this pathetic behavior just to get perks.


ack-ack

and to think all they have to do is fly mid war to rack perks up. F4U-1 in there is a machine.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lusche on January 11, 2009, 05:21:06 AM
That is half my point sir.

I know. I was just claryfing :)

But there's another side of the medal of HTC would make things public. If they would routinely announce "player XX has his perks been erased for YY" or "player xx has been found guilty of yy" is bad PR. It could easily give any casual visitor the impession that there's a LOT more things like this going on and any kind of gaming /cheating/whatever is a common thing in AH2 - which is not.

Of course, just my opinion.

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: WMLute on January 11, 2009, 06:13:11 AM
I know. I was just claryfing :)

But there's another side of the medal of HTC would make things public. If they would routinely announce "player XX has his perks been erased for YY" or "player xx has been found guilty of yy" is bad PR. It could easily give any casual visitor the impession that there's a LOT more things like this going on and any kind of gaming /cheating/whatever is a common thing in AH2 - which is not.

Of course, just my opinion.



Great point.

So is there a middle ground?

Or if we agree that 'public' might not be the best thing PR wise, is there an appropriate punishment?

Merely wiping their scores does nothing to stop the behavior in the future as we are seeing some of the same people doing this over and over again.  Not only that, it appears they are now enlisting others.

So what would be a good punishment for this?  Scores don't work for 90 days?  Loss of all perk points?  We are somewhat limited in choice so what could be done to prevent future behavior of this sort?

(edit: after some thought, making this behavior Public doesn't really do anything, because you have to have some self esteem for that to have any affect on ya', and these people are obviously lacking in self worth or they wouldn't be doing this in the first place)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 06:24:51 AM
That is half my point sir.

I know they will wipe their scores, but it's very "hush hush" and this type of behavior goes on.  (I would say this type of behavior has accelerated)

If someone stole something, and the police just privately took the item back and that was the end of it, we would have thefts galore, as there is really no consequence to the action.

Because they wipe the scores they obviously feel that this type of behavior is wrong.  Why not come right out and do something that will make people think twice about exhibiting this behaviour?  I am talking about making some examples, and doing it publicly.


Id say, name and shame those "cheating" give them a reason not to do it again.. not just take there perks  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 06:43:47 AM
interesting...I've never heard them talk about this.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Grind on January 11, 2009, 06:57:08 AM
How about creating a "Cheaters Arena"?  Those caught can't play anywhere else but there.  If they don't like that, they can leave.  I would like to see some sort of 8-player or maybe 16-player arenas.  8 on 8 furballs or 8 on 8 landgrabing would be fun.  At least you would be able to play the game with people with similar gaming interests.  The HOing, picking, running and hording in the MA is starting to get kinda stale IMHO.

<S>

A8Grind
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 07:06:46 AM
I know. I was just claryfing :)

But there's another side of the medal of HTC would make things public. If they would routinely announce "player XX has his perks been erased for YY" or "player xx has been found guilty of yy" is bad PR. It could easily give any casual visitor the impession that there's a LOT more things like this going on and any kind of gaming /cheating/whatever is a common thing in AH2 - which is not.

Of course, just my opinion.



The other side of the coin might be....  They see the game is heavily policed and punishment is handed out to the offenders. 

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ColKLink on January 11, 2009, 07:12:28 AM
WOW.  :rolleyes:,.....HE'S GOOD"...thats all he wants. Attaboy formation topside 16:30 daily.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 07:18:28 AM
interesting...I've never heard them talk about this.
Some nice guys ya fly with there. :aok :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: JimmyC on January 11, 2009, 07:30:13 AM
remove all perks
unable to earn perks for 3 months
only fly bright yelllow p40 with LOSER written on wings  (will need a special skin made)
just a thought
 :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lyric1 on January 11, 2009, 07:32:39 AM
remove all perks
unable to earn perks for 3 months
only fly bright yelllow p40 with LOSER written on wings  (will need a special skin made)
just a thought
 :salute
I like it. Or if a squad is found to have 2 members or more doing this the squad is automatically disbanded. I don't think to many legit CO'S would tolerate this & would put an end to it to keep a squad intact.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bosco123 on January 11, 2009, 07:33:51 AM
Just waiting for what Masonz has to say. He was a cool kid wile he was in my squad, but jeez, what a stupid thing for him to do when he knows that this is all going on.

I know for a fact that he won't leave the game though, even after we scrutinize him for this.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: crims on January 11, 2009, 07:54:15 AM
Easy or maybe not so Easy. Best Idea I have heard, Perks Stay with Arena. Ew stay in Ew, Mw stay in Mw, Blue LW stay there and Orange LW stay there.


Crims
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 07:56:27 AM
Easy or maybe not so Easy. Best Idea I have heard, Perks Stay with Arena. Ew stay in Ew, Mw stay in Mw, Blue LW stay there and Orange LW stay there.


Crims

Was done in LWA.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: StokesAk on January 11, 2009, 08:04:07 AM
Yea the stupid thing was that mason aounced it over 200. "Hahahahah Thanks you noob" That way we would know it wasnt just a really good stick.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Spikes on January 11, 2009, 08:17:30 AM
Just waiting for what Masonz has to say.
Me too.
Title: LOLZ
Post by: TwinBoom on January 11, 2009, 08:25:41 AM
A truly elite Squad The C.O. Is simply the uberest guy in AH
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/999/whatajoke2as6.jpg)

(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2369/whatajokevs4.jpg)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Helm on January 11, 2009, 08:46:41 AM
   It's clowns like this that make the modern world suck.  They have no respect for Aces High or for that matter anything.  I say we make it our mission to ridicule this entire squad till they quit.
  I for one will spit in their faces every time I see one of 'em ....bunch of love muffines.  Every mission ...every landed kill I will accuse them until we drum these buttheads right out of the game.  I for one am sick of candy-ass jerks like this.

  They want fame but they don't have the "stones" to earn it.  I really hate people like this.

To quote Mr. Potter from "It's a wonderful life":  ....."run 'em out of town ....run 'em out of town on a rail!!"

I can assure you if anybody in my squad was ever guilty of this they would be dismissed on the spot!!


Outlaw Legends .... squad is a joke .....remember this you losers: "If you have to cheat to win ...it is a hollow victory!! "


Helm ...out


Helm ...out
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 09:10:51 AM
remove all perks
unable to earn perks for 3 months
only fly bright yelllow p40 with LOSER written on wings  (will need a special skin made)
just a thought
 :salute


What a plan.. or.. he can only fly bright yellow C47's :D
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shifty on January 11, 2009, 09:13:16 AM
   It's clowns like this that make the modern world suck.  They have no respect for Aces High or for that matter anything.  I say we make it our mission to ridicule this entire squad till they quit.
  I for one will spit in their faces every time I see one of 'em ....bunch of love muffines.  Every mission ...every landed kill I will accuse them until we drum these buttheads right out of the game.  I for one am sick of candy-ass jerks like this.

  They want fame but they don't have the "stones" to earn it.  I really hate people like this.

To quote Mr. Potter from "It's a wonderful life":  ....."run 'em out of town ....run 'em out of town on a rail!!"

I can assure you if anybody in my squad was ever guilty of this they would be dismissed on the spot!!


Outlaw Legends .... squad is a joke .....remember this you losers: "If you have to cheat to win ...it is a hollow victory!! "


Helm ...out


Helm ...out

I don't get involved in these shade vulching discussions much. However I have to agree with you 100% Helm.
Sometimes I think this sim needs a good enema to dislodge some of the feces hanging around.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: LYNX on January 11, 2009, 09:23:11 AM
How disappointing and intellectually short sighted.....considering they use this forum.

Notice they all used perk rides that perhaps they wouldn't have :frown:

Only one thing for it

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/knot-hangmans-noose-black-backdrop-.jpg)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: stodd on January 11, 2009, 09:33:25 AM
 :rofl Always figured them for tards, this just proves it.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Flash on January 11, 2009, 09:35:19 AM
Once his squad finds out about this maybe they will take care of it, as most respectable squads would.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 09:36:27 AM
:rofl Always figured them for tards, this just proves it.

says you  :rolleyes:   :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Max on January 11, 2009, 09:36:36 AM
Tar and feather them with virtual tar and feathers.  :D
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: waystin2 on January 11, 2009, 09:39:47 AM
Losers. :mad:
(http://they.misled.us/images/hang_em_high.jpg)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bj229r on January 11, 2009, 09:40:54 AM
Wow....20 kills per hour in fighter (and he's not even #1!) Not like anyone gonna notice THAT :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dadsguns on January 11, 2009, 09:51:26 AM
Gaming scores in this fashion used to be a somewhat 'rare' occurrence.  Now we are seeing wide spread behavior of this utter lameness. 

Many have had the suspicion that this has been going on for some time and we just didn't have the means to prove it, I know its hard to believe that someone would game this way but certainly there were more than you could imagine doing it in the past, hopefully this public grilling will help alleviate it along with HTC's heavy hand.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dawger on January 11, 2009, 10:28:48 AM
I don't see what the big uproar is about.

I see that it's a fairly sad situation that someone would do something so silly for a game but at the same time I think its pretty silly to get all in an uproar about it.

Folks paying for an additional account to kill repeatedly is more revenue for HTC (which is a good thing ...for everybody)

Not really different from a plan to pay for perk points (which would be an excellent revenue stream)

I fly the P38 99.9% of the time so I don't really care about perks. I only fly about 10 hours a months so "score" is meaningless.

But if some guys get together and pay to "shade vulch" I say cap their perks at some reasonable value and let them do it. Its a money maker.

Hell, if I was running HTC I'd put a "perk" farm in every terrain and charge a penny a point. Imagine an airstart 10,000 feet over rows and rows of parked C-47's with all three chess pieces spawning in a mile apart.

Mayhem.

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 10:30:42 AM
I don't see what the big uproar is about.

I see that it's a fairly sad situation that someone would do something so silly for a game but at the same time I think its pretty silly to get all in an uproar about it.

Folks paying for an additional account to kill repeatedly is more revenue for HTC (which is a good thing ...for everybody)




2week free...rinse .... repeat....


People caught doing such should be banned.

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 10:32:42 AM
I completely agree with Helm. These guys suck. And Outlaws had the nerve to call me sad and no skilled when I ran my oil hit 51 from his spit16 after he ho-ed me.  He said I ho-ed him. That's how all this started. I thought that anyone ranked #9 in fighters and flying a spit16 wouldn't pull up into me like he did, and jeapordize a death. But now I can see why he didn't care.

I'm not sure, but I think Outlaws1 and Legend are JohnnyRa and JohnnyJr.These guys IMO (whoever they are) should be banned from the game. They've always been cheating,shady scum. It's really sad HTC can't figure out how to deal with them and this ongoing problem.

MasonZ I thought was a cool kid. I think he let these slick talkin' "uber gamers" talk him into something stupid. A case of "kid fell into the wrong crowd".  :salute

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: StokesAk on January 11, 2009, 10:36:29 AM
+1 for uptowm.  :rock
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 10:46:48 AM
Wow...This is really disappointing(since I was in the squad) and I thought we were going to have a good run at it. Btw outlaws and legend isnt the johnnys. Because JohnnnyJr is the loudest squeekers Ive ever heard. Neither of them squeek. I will be leaving the squad after this though.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Masherbrum on January 11, 2009, 10:51:36 AM
Wow...This is really disappointing(since I was in the squad) and I thought we were going to have a good run at it. Btw outlaws and legend isnt the johnnys. Because JohnnnyJr is the loudest squeekers Ive ever heard. Neither of them squeek. I will be leaving the squad after this though.

 :aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
Wow...This is really disappointing(since I was in the squad) and I thought we were going to have a good run at it. Btw outlaws and legend isnt the johnnys. Because JohnnnyJr is the loudest squeekers Ive ever heard. Neither of them squeek. I will be leaving the squad after this though.
Fix your sig.  :aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 10:58:41 AM
Better?  :)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
Better?  :)

no.. your still here  :huh :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 11:00:26 AM
no.. your still here  :huh :lol

close your eyes then I'll be gone  :)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:02:05 AM
close your eyes then I'll be gone  :)

OR you can just log off and save me the hassle and pain of being in the dark  :)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
OR you can just log off and save me the hassle and pain of being in the dark  :)

 :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
:lol

 :cool:
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 11:04:32 AM
:cool:

Is The Few flying in SEC today?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAVPFCDD on January 11, 2009, 11:04:55 AM
It sure screws up the scoring system

but if someone is that pathetic to take the time to fly on two accounts... well that's their loss

I really enjoy the game, I don't see anything enjoyable about shooting down a defenseless target that I'm flying over and over and over again

I agree something should be done, but if not, hey at least you're flying and enjoying the game, this poor schmuck clearly isnt, just sad and pathetic what hes doing... i certainly dont care about my score that much and neither should anyone else, just enjoy the game
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:05:01 AM
Is The Few flying in SEC today?

Whats happening today?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:06:09 AM
It sure screws up the scoring system

but if someone is that pathetic to take the time to fly on two accounts... well that's their loss

I really enjoy the game, I don't see anything enjoyable about shooting down a defenseless target that I'm flying over and over and over again

I agree something should be done, but if not, hey at least you're flying and enjoying the game, this poor schmuck clearly isnt, just sad and pathetic what hes doing... i certainly dont care about my score that much and neither should anyone else, just enjoy the game

so basicly.. u dont like easy kills  :O
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 11:06:32 AM
WTG Fudgums :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 11:06:48 AM
Whats happening today?

Its on the SEC forums. Japeneese Kamikazzis trying to sink US carrier.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 11, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
Sweet, a shade vulcher is the only one ahead of me in fighter/score-potato rank today. :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:07:59 AM
Its on the SEC forums. Japeneese Kamikazzis trying to sink US carrier.

Thats with the ponys, right?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
Thats with the ponys, right?

Neg just F6F's
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:09:51 AM
Neg just F6F's


Ah.. na i dont like F6's, im sure a few members of The Few might pop in if there about
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: fudgums on January 11, 2009, 11:12:54 AM

Ah.. na i dont like F6's, im sure a few members of The Few might pop in if there about

cc
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SEraider on January 11, 2009, 11:14:31 AM
What we should do is whatever country the outlaws are flying, tip them off to the others and we kill them plenty of times to frustrate them.  All that cheating for nothing.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ink on January 11, 2009, 11:15:22 AM
ya know my first thought is "whatever... idiots so what"

but than I start to think about it, and it does piss me right off, I agree there should be some form of punishment for it, HTC should put it up on the front page, like the top scorers, section, scroll down and see who is shade vulching, and what action was done,

first offense... loss of perks,
second offense...loss of perks for a month (the ability to earn them)
third offense (yes some people are that dumb)... loss of perks for a year.

JETSOM

on a side note, a few days ago outlaw and mazons where ganging and Vulching on the center Island, and than running off at the mouth, bragging how he(outlaws) killed me, while having no less than two friendlies helping him, while I was solo, than I say to try that "alone" haha, no go.
 I knew that day they were chumps, and are definitely put on a long list of chumps that are red to me even when they are green.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:17:47 AM
first offense... loss of perks,
second offense...loss of perks for a month (the ability to earn them)
third offense (yes some people are that dumb)... loss of perks for a year.

Sounds fair.. but maybe they can live without flying jets and stickign to panzers  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dadsguns on January 11, 2009, 11:18:03 AM
Fix your sig.  :aok

Take your own advice, taking snipits of a quote or a comment and trying to display it as some fact is what you seem to do alot of.

Your taunting does nothing but further incriminate yourself and your immaturity and further distance me from entertaining your request, grow up and represent yourself and the community a little better than that.  
You might be able to get away with cyber bulleying the kids on these forums, the buck stops here.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAVPFCDD on January 11, 2009, 11:18:55 AM
so basicly.. u dont like easy kills  :O

an easily kill is fine, as long as you aren't flying the other plane as well.... thats just low
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 11:19:36 AM
:cry :cry

DA ??ohhh wait never mind.

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 11:21:30 AM
an easily kill is fine, as long as you aren't flying the other plane as well.... thats just low

agreed  :aok  :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: TonyJoey on January 11, 2009, 11:42:14 AM
agreed  :aok  :lol

Wow the nerve of Outlaws, he's already been banned once for cheating under different name, then comes back and does this. Wow. :huh
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Sloehand on January 11, 2009, 11:58:21 AM
Ya, know.  You guys have missed what might be a more potent punishment, if it can be done.  What if, along with loss of perks and inability to add more perks for a time, after the second time (one mistake is all anyone should get) they commit such an infraction, they lose the ability to fly anything with an ENY lower than 20 for a significant period of time.  After all, they want to fly and do anything they want, any time they want.  They could still play (which would just might keep them paying their $15 to HTC), but be severly limited in aircraft for a while.  Heck, if they stick with it through the punishment period they might even learn how to fly and not need to game the score.   Ahh, but we can dream.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
Wow the nerve of Outlaws, he's already been banned once for cheating under different name, then comes back and does this. Wow. :huh

Joey :D
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 12:03:08 PM
I've always enjoyed the scoring system and have strived to improve ever tour in fighter mode, not to move myself up the ranks, but move the 412th up. IMHO the 412th is the premiere P51 squad, bar none. And I'd like the record to show that. I'm damn proud of all the guys in the 412th because we truly are best as a unit. We try to fight fair,clean,smart and honest. Guys like Outlaws and Legend spit in the face of all the hard work, time and training that Midnight,Tango, SkatSr and the rest of us have put forth to be good at our silly hobbie.

How else do we judge our progress if not by a honest scoring page? SkatSr is ranked in the top 10 in fighters, a couple ranked under 50 and a few under 100. If anyone of them have a shot at the #1 spot I want the record to show it and not be clouded by filth like outlaws and legend.

Sure, AH2 is a silly video game. But it's our game and we all love it. If nothing else it represents how a group of guys from all over the world can work together on a common goal and have fun doing it. And if we are good at it, I want the world to know we're doing it right and our system and tactics works.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just old and still believe that honesty and hard work is the way to go, in anything you want to do in life no matter how trivial....even in a video game. :salute



Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 12:08:05 PM
Ya, know.  You guys have missed what might be a more potent punishment, if it can be done.  What if, along with loss of perks and inability to add more perks for a time, after the second time (one mistake is all anyone should get) they commit such an infraction, they lose the ability to fly anything with an ENY lower than 20 for a significant period of time.  After all, they want to fly and do anything they want, any time they want.  They could still play (which would just might keep them paying their $15 to HTC), but be severly limited in aircraft for a while.  Heck, if they stick with it through the punishment period they might even learn how to fly and not need to game the score.   Ahh, but we can dream.

Outstanding idea!  :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ink on January 11, 2009, 12:09:16 PM
I've always enjoyed the scoring system and have strived to improve ever tour in fighter mode, not to move myself up the ranks, but move the 412th up. IMHO the 412th is the premiere P51 squad, bar none. And I'd like the record to show that. I'm damn proud of all the guys in the 412th because we truly are best as a unit. We try to fight fair,clean,smart and honest. Guys like Outlaws and Legend spit in the face of all the hard work, time and training that Midnight,Tango, SkatSr and the rest of us have put forth to be good at our silly hobbie.

How else do we judge our progress if not by a honest scoring page? SkatSr is ranked in the top 10 in fighters, a couple ranked under 50 and a few under 100. If anyone of them have a shot at the #1 spot I want the record to show it and not be clouded by filth like outlaws and legend.

Sure, AH2 is a silly video game. But it's our game and we all love it. If nothing else it represents how a group of guys from all over the world can work together on a common goal and have fun doing it. And if we are good at it, I want the world to know we're doing it right and our system and tactics works.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just old and still believe that honesty and hard work is the way to go, in anything you want to do in life no matter how trivial....even in a video game. :salute





heck ya

did you read what he just wrote? well...READ it again. :aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bongaroo on January 11, 2009, 12:18:37 PM
wow.  I can think of a much better use for another 15 bucks a month than that.

just sad.

::edit:: oh btw, I'm IN before the lock.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Rich46yo on January 11, 2009, 12:24:56 PM
I think AH should force them to we a scarlet letter on their plane skin. Say "A" for "adulterer" or whatever. Make them fly around in it for a month or two, and everytime its seen team members should rat out its location and Alt and give the other teams free passage to murder it.

OK, ok, it melodramatic. But no more so them Demi Moore, in 1600s New England, doing the bath tub scene in her flimsy night gown. She went to Hell for that all yaknow and so do shade vulchers.

They like burn forever dudes.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dadsguns on January 11, 2009, 12:31:29 PM
Ya, know.  You guys have missed what might be a more potent punishment, if it can be done.  What if, along with loss of perks and inability to add more perks for a time, after the second time (one mistake is all anyone should get) they commit such an infraction, they lose the ability to fly anything with an ENY lower than 20 for a significant period of time.  After all, they want to fly and do anything they want, any time they want.  They could still play (which would just might keep them paying their $15 to HTC), but be severly limited in aircraft for a while.  Heck, if they stick with it through the punishment period they might even learn how to fly and not need to game the score.   Ahh, but we can dream.

Good idea, Add the Bright Pink Airplane Penalty Skin too and I am sold.....
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 12:32:10 PM
Good idea, Add the Bright Pink Airplane Penalty Skin too and I am sold.....

 i liek the pink spit 1 skin  :confused:
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 12:33:09 PM
i liek the pink spit 1 skin  :confused:
That's a Mk  IX... you sure your a brit? ;)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bruv119 on January 11, 2009, 12:33:57 PM
the spit 1 has pink too bronk,

It matches his burberry cap   :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Banshee7 on January 11, 2009, 12:36:53 PM
LOL...for the inquiring minds out there.  OutLaws1 is one and the same as TienLung.  I was thinking to myself a looong time ago saying "there's a lot of lying going on under that account."  It's never one person it's always "Oh thats my brother," "Oh, thats my sister," "Oh, bla bla bla."  I've had mixed feelings about OutLaws:  Sometimes he/she was ok, other times he/she was a total dork.  This really puts the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 12:37:03 PM
the spit 1 has pink too bronk,

It matches his burberry cap   :lol

Nur nur  :P

 :noid
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 12:37:45 PM
the spit 1 has pink too bronk,

It matches his burberry cap   :lol
Huh is it new? I haven't enabled skin dl in some time.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bongaroo on January 11, 2009, 12:38:25 PM
Spit1 and the Spit9 have a nice pink skin to go humiliate people with.  Nothing worse than getting flamed by a pink spit.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 12:38:59 PM
Huh is it new? I haven't enabled skin dl in some time.

nope not new.. its been around for ages  :aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 12:40:57 PM
nope not new.. its been around for ages  :aok
I'll have to be more observant. Thanks  :aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 11, 2009, 12:51:39 PM
I'll have to be more observant. Thanks  :aok

np
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BaldEagl on January 11, 2009, 01:09:26 PM
Loss of points and perks plus pink loser girlyman skin(s) plus handle change to Loser1, Loser2, etc. plus special colored dot dar signature for a month for 1st offense.

Loss of points and perks plus 1 month ban plus pink loser girlyman skin(s) plus handle change to Loser1, Loser2, etc. plus special colored dot dar signature for another month for 2nd offense.

Perma-ban for 3rd offense.

This behavior is totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 01:21:21 PM
Loss of points and perks plus pink loser girlyman skin(s) plus handle change to Loser1, Loser2, etc. plus special colored dot dar signature for a month for 1st offense.

Loss of points and perks plus 1 month ban plus pink loser girlyman skin(s) plus handle change to Loser1, Loser2, etc. plus special colored dot dar signature for another month for 2nd offense.

Perma-ban for 3rd offense.

This behavior is totally unacceptable.
Add killshooter is disabled for the offender.. and his team gets points for shooting him down also. :devil
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: A8TOOL on January 11, 2009, 01:30:01 PM
What's really pathetic is that MasonZ is a new SAPP member and did all of his shade vulching in of all planes, a P38.   

Was really expecting more Sapp guys to jump in and defend or criticize. Some of the other AH members did stick up for this young man believing him to have been mislead and that weighed heavy but even so, he should know better. I would imagine SAPP has a certain critique they follow to become part of their organization. Not everyone can get that special gun sight. :lol

The two johnnies has always been a different story along with so many more that have infiltrated the game with their child like rudeness.

HTC probably wont do anything about it although it would be nice to see once in awhile.Were the Cowboys from hell ever demoted? OMW to check.


Nope
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: A8TOOL on January 11, 2009, 01:31:03 PM
Add killshooter is disabled for the offender.. and his team gets points for shooting him down also. :devil


That would be cool. Bald has some funny ideas as well   :rofl

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 11, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
HTC probably wont do anything about it although it would be nice to see once in awhile.Were the Cowboys from hell ever demoted? OMW to check.

Amsoil was removed from the top fighter list.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shuffler on January 11, 2009, 01:38:54 PM
SAPP deals with this internally. That is all that will be said about that.

For the record... S.A.P.P. is not a Squad. We are just a rag tag bunch of folks that love the 38. Both in game and historically. Many individuals in SAPP are members of Squads and they come from all chess pieces. SAPP is a place where we can gather and share the history as well as tactics used and training. It is also a place where we can setup gatherings in game for mindless fun. We don't gather to affect game play other than to have lots of fun.

<S>
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: llama on January 11, 2009, 01:44:45 PM
Hell, why isn't there some "anti cheating" clause in the terms of service, along the lines of:

"If you are caught doing any of the following cheating actions... (shade vulching among them) ... your credit card will be charged in the amount of $100 as a 'reinstatement fee' for each occurrence. You may appeal the decision, but all decisions from HiTechCreations are final."

This would stop this BS behavior really quick, I think.

-Llama
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Fugitive on January 11, 2009, 01:44:53 PM
...... I would imagine SAPP has a certain critique they follow to become part of their organization.......

Only two things needed to become a member of SAPP.......

1. Love of the P38

2. Love of fun

Thats it, thats all it ever was/is period !
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lusche on January 11, 2009, 01:46:16 PM
Hell, why isn't there some "anti cheating" clause in the terms of service, along the lines of:

"If you are caught doing any of the following cheating actions... (shade vulching among them) ... your credit card will be charged in the amount of $100 as a 'reinstatement fee' for each occurrence. You may appeal the decision, but all decisions from HiTechCreations are final."

This would stop this BS behavior really quick, I think.

-Llama

Any lawyer would rip that one apart pretty quick. ;)

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: A8TOOL on January 11, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
SAPP deals with this internally. That is all that will be said about that.



<S>

Sounds about right.


AS for the cowboys, since they acquired their squad rank illegitimately they should have been deemed an invalid squad on the score boards imho.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 01:50:15 PM
Just waiting for what Masonz has to say. He was a cool kid wile he was in my squad, but jeez, what a stupid thing for him to do when he knows that this is all going on.

I know for a fact that he won't leave the game though, even after we scrutinize him for this.
was waitin on someone to say somethign like this...

I knew it was wrong, knew someone sometime may (and mostly likely would)see somethin sketchy. one thing, i am ashamed of myself. it wasnt for perks, i just did it cuz it was different as wrong as it was. anyone doesn't take my word check my stats daily, wont let this happen again.

Sorry for this one stupid thing.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SuBWaYCH on January 11, 2009, 01:57:30 PM
was waitin on someone to say somethign like this...

I knew it was wrong, knew someone sometime may (and mostly likely would)see somethin sketchy. one thing, i am ashamed of myself. it wasnt for perks, i just did it cuz it was different as wrong as it was. anyone doesn't take my word check my stats daily, wont let this happen again.

Sorry for this one stupid thing.

Good man for stepping up to the plate.  :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 01:58:05 PM
Yea the stupid thing was that mason aounced it over 200. "Hahahahah Thanks you noob" That way we would know it wasnt just a really good stick.
really. i havnt been on today and rarely have 200 tuned. someone has my account info, but if my account did say that thanks for the heads up stokes. sure, im not a "uber" stick and wont win every 1-1, but ill sure as hell DA anyone for fun.

Good man for stepping up to the plate.  :salute
:salute Subway
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
someone has my account info,
Did the dog eat your homework too?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:01:10 PM
Did the dog eat your homework too?
no, i can change my password rather easy. i neever said anything on 200 to what stokes said i did. to my knowledge no one has any of my account info.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: LYNX on January 11, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
was waitin on someone to say somethign like this...

I knew it was wrong, knew someone sometime may (and mostly likely would)see somethin sketchy. one thing, i am ashamed of myself. it wasnt for perks, i just did it cuz it was different as wrong as it was. anyone doesn't take my word check my stats daily, wont let this happen again.

Sorry for this one stupid thing.

Not impressed and not falling for this shallow loud of hog wash.   You know better and have read better.  More like you've seen plenty of shade killers apologise on these boards and get away with it.

Na sonny Jim.....not impressed.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
Not impressed and not falling for this shallow loud of hog wash.   You know better and have read better.  More like you've seen plenty of shade killers apologise on these boards and get away with it.

Na sonny Jim.....not impressed.
wasnt expecting you to be impressed..with anything i did.


BTW, password changed.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Stang on January 11, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Kids, all cheaters these days.  Can't spell worth a damn either.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:10:53 PM


MasonZ I thought was a cool kid. I think he let these slick talkin' "uber gamers" talk him into something stupid. A case of "kid fell into the wrong crowd".  :salute


ill change back to an honest person uptown. check my stats daily, i wont always have same respect from people i know, but ill change back. i fall into wrong crowd a lot... :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lusche on January 11, 2009, 02:10:58 PM
Usually I'm not that harsh, but this time I have to agree with LYNX. MasonZ knew pretty well what he was doing:

Steve and ackack, i had just been stating. ask any squad member of a squad ive been in, im not that low. I could very easily get that low, but in reality im far from it. you show me respect, i show you respect. simple enough. after what Lusche said: i wouldnt, but i have no reason to perk farm on purpose by vulching a shade account. sure, i lose my share of 262's like many others, but im not so low i need to vulch a shade account. you can look at my stats and tell me how i bring the game down ackack, but when you find nothing to prove it, ill just sit here and laugh. Honestly, id really like to meet some of the keyboard tough guys out there 1-1 and just see how snobby they are.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 02:13:43 PM
Usually I'm not that harsh, but this time I have to agree with LYNX. MasonZ knew pretty well what he was doing:


Ohhhh snap
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SlapShot on January 11, 2009, 02:15:21 PM
Good man for stepping up to the plate.  :salute

Pffft ... most "step up to the plate" only when they have been "called on the carpet".
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
ill be the first to say this in this thread. if i was hurting for perks, and felt like being a low life, i would intentionally vulch a shade just to gain some free perks. Im not saying ill do it all day, but im saying for just one (maybe 2) sorties. anywho,  :salute

P.S. btw, if HTC had a thing against perk farming, im sure there would be a lot of people getting a talk to, or even booted from game.

my .02

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
wow. people will go looking through threads for quotes, but check my stats since i started. never have i done something even remotly close to this. and lusche, for someone who does do a lot of research, and is a trainer, you sure dont seem to help people, or in this case, do research on peoples stats. just the 1 tour.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: LYNX on January 11, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
Quote
Steve and ackack, i had just been stating. ask any squad member of a squad ive been in, im not that low. I could very easily get that low, but in reality im far from it. you show me respect, i show you respect. simple enough. after what Lusche said: i wouldnt, but i have no reason to perk farm on purpose by vulching a shade account. sure, i lose my share of 262's like many others, but im not so low i need to vulch a shade account. you can look at my stats and tell me how i bring the game down ackack, but when you find nothing to prove it, ill just sit here and laugh. Honestly, id really like to meet some of the keyboard tough guys out there 1-1 and just see how snobby they are.

Quote
ill be the first to say this in this thread. if i was hurting for perks, and felt like being a low life, i would intentionally vulch a shade just to gain some free perks. Im not saying ill do it all day, but im saying for just one (maybe 2) sorties. anywho, 

P.S. btw, if HTC had a thing against perk farming, im sure there would be a lot of people getting a talk to, or even booted from game.

my .02

Busted....
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
wow. people will go looking through threads for quotes,
Careful what you say then.

I think the only thing you are sorry about is being caught.

As far as your lusche comment.. he can only help the willing. Think on that.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bongaroo on January 11, 2009, 02:26:33 PM
wow. people will go looking through threads for quotes, but check my stats since i started. never have i done something even remotly close to this. and lusche, for someone who does do a lot of research, and is a trainer, you sure dont seem to help people, or in this case, do research on peoples stats. just the 1 tour.

MasonZ.  Lusche's contributions to the game aren't in question here.  He doesn't need to show any respect to anyone doing something anathema to what he teaches as a trainer.

I've sent you a PM.  I hope you'll take it seriously.

You've laid out your apology.  Let it stand as is; you shouldn't have to attempt to justify it.  People are probably going to be giving you a hard time about this for some time to come.  If you decide to stick it out with your same squad and login name be prepared to take a loooong time to prove your sincerity to many of us.  It would be very impressive to see you come out a better person for this.  Its going to take time though.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SlapShot on January 11, 2009, 02:28:05 PM
wow. people will go looking through threads for quotes, but check my stats since i started. never have i done something even remotly close to this. and lusche, for someone who does do a lot of research, and is a trainer, you sure dont seem to help people, or in this case, do research on peoples stats. just the 1 tour.

Wow ... your best bet is to quietly disappear into the shadows or under a rock for at least a couple of months. To attack anyone, especially Lusche in light of your total dweebery is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
MasonZ.  Lusche's contributions to the game aren't in question here.  He doesn't need to show any respect to anyone doing something anathema to what he teaches as a trainer.

I've sent you a PM.  I hope you'll take it seriously.

You've laid out your apology.  Let it stand as is; you shouldn't have to attempt to justify it.  People are probably going to be giving you a hard time about this for some time to come.  If you decide to stick it out with your same squad and login name be prepared to take a loooong time to prove your sincerity to many of us.  It would be very impressive to see you come out a better person for this.  Its going to take time though.  Good luck.
finally someone who hasnt flamed me...im surprised. Bong, I really do plan on making an honest change starting my next sortie.

Wow ... your best bet is to quietly disappear into the shadows or under a rock for at least a couple of months. To attack anyone, especially Lusche in light of your total dweebery is unbelievable.
hide under shadows quietly for a few months. ill take the flaming i get.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
DA ??ohhh wait never mind.

 :rofl :rofl

LOL OH SNAP!


ack-ack
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SlapShot on January 11, 2009, 02:33:19 PM
hide under shadows quietly for a few months. ill take the flaming i get.

Fine ... take the flaming ... you deserve it ... but don't even begin to try and defend yourself.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 442w30 on January 11, 2009, 02:34:29 PM
wow. people will go looking through threads for quotes, but check my stats since i started. never have i done something even remotly close to this. and lusche, for someone who does do a lot of research, and is a trainer, you sure dont seem to help people, or in this case, do research on peoples stats. just the 1 tour.

Lusche helps people just by doing what he does on this forum let alone from his work as a trainer- he certainly does not need to defend himself.  

You on the other hand should search deep within yourself on what this sort of behavior demonstrates about yourself as a human being.  What you do during your play time is an indication of what you will do in business, work, school, everything else.  Use this as an opportunity to make yourself a better human being. Integrity and not just taking the easy way out when you can, is part of that.  

Your own quote of, "ill change back to an honest person uptown. check my stats daily, i wont always have same respect from people i know, but ill change back. i fall into wrong crowd a lot..."  tells me that you make excuses for what is YOUR bad decision making process.  Do not blame doing the wrong thing on "fall into the wrong crowd".  Blame it on yourself because you are the one at fault.

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:35:38 PM
Fine ... take the flaming ... you deserve it ... but don't even begin to try and defend yourself.
why should i? uphill battle, no since in trying.

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 11, 2009, 02:38:03 PM
And what about Outlaws1 and LeGeNd.  MasonZ only deserves 1/3 of the publicity.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:39:49 PM
And what about Outlaws1 and LeGeNd.  MasonZ only deserves 1/3 of the publicity.
good point here. why am i getting all the flaming?


 :noid
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 02:40:29 PM
And what about Outlaws1 and LeGeNd.  MasonZ only deserves 1/3 of the publicity.
Smart enough not to post... But they are tards as well.
I'm also betting they are pnged shades from the bbs.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: TwinBoom on January 11, 2009, 02:40:37 PM
And what about Outlaws1 and LeGeNd. 

not worth it 2 feeble fools who trash talk
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: StokesAk on January 11, 2009, 02:41:51 PM
LeGeNd DAed me to prove that he wasnt shade vultching he won on a HO shot 6-5. Now hes gonna post the fils on this thread to show all of you that he is the best person in Aces High....Sad.

BTW Mason im not gonna blame u for anything you appalogized and i know you mean it.  :salute

Hey it would be alot cooler if OutLaws_Legends squad participated in this thread.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:43:15 PM
Smart enough not to post... But they are tards as well.
they dont have accounts on here to my knowledge. still doesnt answer question why im getting all the flaming

LeGeNd DAed me to prove that he wasnt shade vultching he won on a HO shot 6-5. Now hes gonna post the fils on this thread to show all of you that he is the best person in Aces High....Sad.

BTW Mason im not gonna blame u for anything you appalogized and i know you mean it.  :salute

Hey it would be alot cooler if OutLaws_Legends squad participated in this thread.
:salute stokes, im not trying to stick up for a whole squad, however, outlaws and legend are good sticks. been playing for a while.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 11, 2009, 02:43:46 PM
good point here. why am i getting all the flaming?


 :noid

I wasn't defending you.  Don't mistake my desire for equal justice for leniency.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SlapShot on January 11, 2009, 02:44:31 PM
good point here. why am i getting all the flaming?


 :noid

Their your squaddies/buddies ... tell them to stick their heads in here and see what transpires.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 02:45:25 PM
they dont have accounts on here to my knowledge. still doesnt answer question why im getting all the flaming

They aren't here and you are... if they were they'd get it also. Get it?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
I wasn't defending you.  Don't mistake my desire for equal justice for leniency.
I think I've misjudged you a bit... for that I'm sorry. ;)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:47:15 PM
I wasn't defending you.  Don't mistake my desire for equal justice for leniency.
i know, was just a point that you had made it doesnt appear many had thought of.

I think I've misjudged you a bit... for that I'm sorry. ;)
how so sir?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Getback on January 11, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
Only time will heal this one Masonz. We've had the ability to look at in depth data for a couple - three camps. My gosh, you should have known better. I don't think it makes anyone feel better that you owned up to this after the fact. You had ample opportunity and warning not to go that route. If I were you I would ask that my scores be deleted. It would be a big step to a meaningful apology. I am off my soap box now. I have something to say about "The other guy" but I'm holding off.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:50:10 PM
Only time will heal this one Masonz. What we've had the ability to look at in depth data for a couple - three camps. My gosh, you should have known better. I don't think it makes anyone feel better that you owned up to this after the fact. You had ample opportunity and warning not to go that route. Of I were you I would ask that my scores be deleted. It would be a big step to a meaningful apology. I am off my soap box now. I have something to say about "The other guy" but I'm holding off.
your right, i did have plenty of warning. Ill call HTC and see what can be done. have anything to say dont be afriad to PM it to me getback.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 02:51:24 PM
Sorry for this one stupid thing.

You mean 87 stupid things?  I hope we can all take a moment to realize how many vulches that really is.  Think about it... 20 vulches would have been a lot, now multiply that by four.  No apology is good enough for how lame this was.  You can't know something is wrong and feel guilty doing it eighty twanging seven times. 

P.S. Who's Shade was it?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: dkff49 on January 11, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
I know how upsetting this is to many of you, but I wish these posts would end. I really hate for skuzzy to follow through on his threat here.

Quote
Witch hunts like these do far more harm than good.  If the new scores pages are going to be abused in this manner, they can be taken down.

If you suspect someone of perk farming or gaming the score system, then simply drop me an email.  This public outcry has to stop now.

from this thread
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,252569.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,252569.0.html)

Don't know about the rest of you but I rather like the new stat pagesfor my personal viewing.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Getback on January 11, 2009, 02:55:10 PM
your right, i did have plenty of warning. Ill call HTC and see what can be done. have anything to say dont be afriad to PM it to me getback.

I've said all I'm going to say. Appreciate the invite. However, somethings are best left unsaid and to let things play out.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 02:59:25 PM
im not saying whose shade it is grizz
dkff, i would rather these new pages for viewing myself too.
Getback, i understand what you mean when you say "some things are better left unsaid and to play out".
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 03:03:19 PM
im not saying whose shade it is grizz

Probably Outlaws1.  He killed him the most and in the most variety of planes.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 03:04:55 PM
not outlaws. nice guess though. not legend or me.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tmac7 on January 11, 2009, 03:05:19 PM
Well outlaws1 = AAdiesel my old buddy no longer a bud. He got caught cheating and was banned. He prolly found out how to change all his IP address etc and such. He used to call me and start braggina bout doing it.Man I had people that do this crap.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Getback on January 11, 2009, 03:08:20 PM
im not saying whose shade it is grizz
dkff, i would rather these new pages for viewing myself too.
Getback, i understand what you mean when you say "some things are better left unsaid and to play out".

Okay, let me add this. Many years ago another player and I were battling it out for the #1 fighter in Air Warriors. One day while flying I noticed one of his squadies was getting shot down repeatedly. While I was flying I saw a lone plane on the deck rtb. He asked me not to attack because he had a boat load of kills. It was the guy I had been duking it out with for the #1 spot. So I let him go. He then landed 12 kills and we didn't have a rearm pad. So I checked out the after action reports. He had been shooting down his own squadie. He finished #1 but the toll was great. Shortly thereafter he quit playing. I think it was because he couldn't take the fact he took such a short cut to do it. Now I often think that he ruined the game for himself. And honestly I liked the guy. He was a worthy opponent and generally a fun guy to talk to.

Don't let that happen to you. Take the measures you can to correct it. Make the apologies as best as you can and move on. In 3 months no one will no the better.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 03:17:35 PM


Don't let that happen to you. Take the measures you can to correct it. Make the apologies as best as you can and move on. In 3 months no one will no the better.
Ive said it a bunch of times in this thread, i plan on making an honest change. i dont expect the rep i had, but o well.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Qrsu on January 11, 2009, 03:20:28 PM
Man, it's a shame we only ever get the threads that publicize the badguy - we hardly ever get to hear good things about good people in here!  ;)

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2009, 03:23:55 PM
Ive said it a bunch of times in this thread, i plan on making an honest change. i dont expect the rep i had, but o well.

My ex-brother in-law used to hear the same thing from convicts during parole hearings.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
My ex-brother in-law used to hear the same thing from convicts during parole hearings.


ack-ack
wanna think of me as a convict at a parole hearing? so be it...will just show its true.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: mensa180 on January 11, 2009, 03:42:52 PM
Kids, all cheaters these days.  Can't spell worth a damn either.

?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAVPFCDD on January 11, 2009, 03:44:52 PM
Ive said it a bunch of times in this thread, i plan on making an honest change. i dont expect the rep i had, but o well.

you're the boy who cried wolf now

we can't exactly take your word....
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 03:51:34 PM
you're the boy who cried wolf now

we can't exactly take your word....
think what you want.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Did you think you'd get away with it or did you want to get caught?  Obviously you have seen the mob ridicule those who have done this since the new score pages came out.  It's a pretty easy trail to follow after you take a gander at OutLaws1 score.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: croduh on January 11, 2009, 03:55:22 PM
(http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/serious.jpg)
carry on
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Max on January 11, 2009, 04:01:21 PM
MasonX the wise move is to put down the shovel and step away from the hole.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
MasonX the wise move is to put down the shovel and step away from the hole.
trying to do that.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: viper215 on January 11, 2009, 04:06:14 PM
not outlaws. nice guess though. not legend or me.

Idk why guys have to vulch shade accounts its honestly pathetic. In 50 years whos going to look at tour 109 and say OMG LOOK AT THAT NUMBER 1 fighter. He is truly my hero and we should change our kids text books in school to include how much he OWNED in a GAME. Diggin the whole deeper now...outlaws is not helping on CH 200 as we speak.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2009, 04:11:46 PM
wanna think of me as a convict at a parole hearing? so be it...will just show its true.

It's obvious you didn't understand the point, taking your age, it's understandable.  The point is that some will say anything to get a second chance, in some cases they're sincere but in most cases, well, they're like those convicts I mentioned.  I'm sure we'll see in a few posts down, you'll start confessing to how you found "Jesus" and are again going to turn over a new leaf.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Banshee7 on January 11, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
Well outlaws1 = AAdiesel my old buddy no longer a bud. He got caught cheating and was banned. He prolly found out how to change all his IP address etc and such. He used to call me and start braggina bout doing it.Man I had people that do this crap.

So, tienlung/Outlaws1= AAdiesel?  We always joked about that when TienLung was in WoT.  Never knew it to be true.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gameofd1 on January 11, 2009, 04:22:27 PM
out laws is bailing out of his noob trying to make everyone get the proxies trying to cover it up now i just got 11 proxies on his freaking shade :furious
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lyric1 on January 11, 2009, 04:23:13 PM
So, tienlung/Outlaws1= AAdiesel?  We always joked about that when TienLung was in WoT.  Never knew it to be true.
This game is worse than crack :O You just can't keep the junkies away.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SEraider on January 11, 2009, 04:23:50 PM
So here it is, we can complain or make fun of it. 

I say here is what we can do:  Instead of banning the dweeb, let's have fun with him and all cheaters.

Whoever is caught cheating (confirmed by HItech), then for 2 weeks HItech turns off kill-shooting for the dweeb.  Also, his enemy icon status shows his game ID instead of the plane type.  GameID's can't be changed during that period.

This 2 prong approach brings his ranking down and frustrates him.  It will teach all a lesson on the consequences of cheating.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: TonyJoey on January 11, 2009, 04:27:23 PM
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2334/epicfailurezz9.jpg)

I think that sums it up quite nicely. :aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: B4Buster on January 11, 2009, 04:29:19 PM
I know masonZ pretty well. I was real surprised when I firstheard this because it didn't seem like him. He's not a dumb kid, he'll learn from this and move on, Now I don't think an apology is sufficient to take the spotlight off him, I do think it's a start for stepping up, admitting it was wrong, and trying to move on.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 04:31:05 PM
I know masonZ pretty well. I was real surprised when I firstheard this because it didn't seem like him. He's not a dumb kid, he'll learn from this and move on, Now I don't think an apology is sufficient to take the spotlight off him, I do think it's a start for stepping up, admitting it was wrong, and trying to move on.
and it isnt like me. just another stupid thing ive done in my youth
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: B4Buster on January 11, 2009, 04:35:51 PM
and it isnt like me. just another stupid thing ive done in my youth

And I'm one of the few here that will bet you don't do it again. You've taken alot of flak over this, and I know you're thinking "It wasn't worth it" And it isn't...it was an extremely dweeby thing to do, but I don't think any less of ya as a person  :aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 04:37:50 PM
And I'm one of the few here that will bet you don't do it again. You've taken alot of flak over this, and I know you're thinking "It wasn't worth it" And it isn't...it was an extremely dweeby thing to do, but I don't think any less of ya as a person  :aok
thanks buster. just that one post is making this easier.  :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: REP0MAN on January 11, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
I got a devil's advocate question.

It was his account, both of them, right? These accounts are both paid for, right?

Why would HTC care about his killing his own account? What is the incentive for them to do anything more than what they do now? If they ban him, they loose money. If they penalize him, they risk loosing the player and, his money.

This is a great community but I don't believe that HT and gang want to keep it running for free.

Report your findings, let them deal with the scoring issues and be done with it.

:aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: B4Buster on January 11, 2009, 04:52:16 PM
they ban him, they loose money. If they penalize him, they risk loosing the player and, his money.

This is a great community but I don't believe that HT and gang want to keep it running for free.
Report your findings, let them deal with the scoring issues and be done with it.

+1

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bosco123 on January 11, 2009, 04:56:19 PM
This is all going to end shortly Masonz, don't worry. Just stop right now. This is an IN thread better than all.
Dadsguns, Bronks statment ment to be a joke, nothing too serious. As for his quotes, let him have it, like I said in another forum "I have a fan club now, yay!" or should I say ankle humper, idk.

As for the rest of you guys, I personally would like to keep the scoring system, wouldn't you? Anyone finds anything out of the abnormality, just send an E-mail to Skuzzy and he will take care of it.

INSANE TROLLERS DISENGAGE! :P
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
^^^^^

(http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/Assets/crybaby.jpg)

 :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BnZs on January 11, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
Ah, when will they learn?

Truly, the spirit of the game is to blow up the other man's machine, so that hopefully, somewhere in this big old world, a guy throws his joystick, spills his drink on the keyboard, says "^@%@$%@!!!" and kicks his dog.

If I can bring just a little misery in to the lives of others every day, then I know am complete...

But you don't do that by vulching yourself! Besides, that sort of thing will make you go blind...
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: viper215 on January 11, 2009, 05:10:28 PM
Yep hes bailing out of his shade now...people are watching him do it...bunch of LCA guys just landed like 30kills, this is getting sad now.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: hyster on January 11, 2009, 05:14:18 PM
I got a devil's advocate question.

It was his account, both of them, right? These accounts are both paid for, right?

Why would HTC care about his killing his own account? What is the incentive for them to do anything more than what they do now? If they ban him, they loose money. If they penalize him, they risk loosing the player and, his money.  

This is a great community but I don't believe that HT and gang want to keep it running for free.

Report your findings, let them deal with the scoring issues and be done with it.

:aok

if they do nothing they risk "honest" players getting totally f**k*d of with playing with these to**ers and leave.

1 of the quickest ways for a game to die is for admins/creators to do nothing about cheats and crap like this.

i stopped played a game i loved a few years back due to cheats, and i would not think to hard about quiting another game either.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 1pLUs44 on January 11, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
So, tienlung/Outlaws1= AAdiesel?  We always joked about that when TienLung was in WoT.  Never knew it to be true.

OutLaws1 isn't AADiesel, I am almost certain for that much. AAdiesel always sounded so much more.... no other way to say this but... stoned :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bosco123 on January 11, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
^^^^^

(http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/Assets/crybaby.jpg)

 :rofl

dam, this one is strong on my ankle. May not be able to get off my leg.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: iTunes on January 11, 2009, 05:18:57 PM

Id say, name and shame those "cheating"give them a reason not to do it again.. not just take there perks  :rolleyes:
Amisol back in the few now?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gameofd1 on January 11, 2009, 05:20:24 PM
Yep hes bailing out of his shade now...people are watching him do it...bunch of LCA guys just landed like 30kills, this is getting sad now.

and if we have 3 kills under those u expect us not to land just cause of the proxies?

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BMathis on January 11, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
Spit1 and the Spit9 have a nice pink skin to go humiliate people with.  Nothing worse than getting flamed by a pink spit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDascWpHBQ0&feature=channel_page

 :)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Vulcan on January 11, 2009, 05:25:25 PM
At the end of the day it's rare to come across a high ranker who can put up a decent fight. Too get into those top spots people nurse their scores and milkrun. IMHO the best fights are always with mid-tiered ranks.

I figure people like masonz, and these other guys have other significant issues in their lives - if their aspirations are to resort to cheating in an online cartoon plane game to gain status, then they must have very very sad lives.


Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: E25280 on January 11, 2009, 05:27:47 PM
Yep hes bailing out of his shade now...people are watching him do it...bunch of LCA guys just landed like 30kills, this is getting sad now.
So, you are filming this all, right?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Stang on January 11, 2009, 05:30:43 PM
Yup, outlaws was just in there and sent his shade to the opposite front where the #'s dude was bailing at a rate of like 30-40 times a minute giving others huge kill tallies to try to deflect the blame.  So sad.

Best thing was he was denying the whole thing. 

Masonz, he called you a liar, said no one did anything and you were just making stuff up.  Quite a squad and people you got yourself mixed up with.

This is the saddest crap I've seen here in some time, and there's a lot of crap daily.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: VansCrew1 on January 11, 2009, 05:39:21 PM
I got a devil's advocate question.

It was his account, both of them, right? These accounts are both paid for, right?

Why would HTC care about his killing his own account? What is the incentive for them to do anything more than what they do now? If they ban him, they loose money. If they penalize him, they risk loosing the player and, his money.

This is a great community but I don't believe that HT and gang want to keep it running for free.

Report your findings, let them deal with the scoring issues and be done with it.

:aok

Wow a whole $30. And Outlaws1 is Tienlung who is AAdiesel who if you don't remember was banned from the game for lack of a better word cheated. And like stang said he's using his shades to give other people kills so all the blame is not on him. But the ones i talked to recorded it.

:noid
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: REP0MAN on January 11, 2009, 05:41:25 PM
if they do nothing they risk "honest" players getting totally f**k*d of with playing with these to**ers and leave.

1 of the quickest ways for a game to die is for admins/creators to do nothing about cheats and crap like this.

That's just it. They DO do something. They take care of it behind their closed doors, privately. There is no good to come from public cyber-lynching. HTC has always done a great job of policing their game.

Wow a whole $30. And Outlaws1 is Tienlung who is AAdiesel who if you don't remember was banned from the game for lack of a better word cheated. And like stang said he's using his shades to give other people kills so all the blame is not on him. But the ones i talked to recorded it.

Like I said, Record the evidence, report it and move along. The best way to deal with it.

:aok
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: StokesAk on January 11, 2009, 05:42:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDascWpHBQ0&feature=channel_page

 :)


Hey Fool You About ot be Sadomized
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 11, 2009, 05:46:21 PM
Kids, all cheaters these days.  Can't spell worth a damn either.

that all comes back to their parents in some way shape, or form. if good qualities, and a decent set of morals aren't instilled in them when they're young......crap like this happens.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 05:49:07 PM
11220501 showed up at A39, where I was, in B24s and 25s unloading his guns on the runway and bailing as soon as he got gear up. then he whistles real load on range for a few seconds to just be annoying.

Then a hour later i see on local text that a guy just started today has 6 kills on some #guy. I checked the roster and sure enough, he switched to bish and started upping from the very base we were attacking. This clown is a real piece of work.


and yeah I have film too.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 11, 2009, 05:49:14 PM
Usually I'm not that harsh, but this time I have to agree with LYNX. MasonZ knew pretty well what he was doing:

below quoted from masonz
Honestly, id really like to meet some of the keyboard tough guys out there 1-1 and just see how snobby they are

oooo.....careful there dude....THAT is begging for trouble.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 11, 2009, 05:53:47 PM
they dont have accounts on here to my knowledge. still doesnt answer question why im getting all the flaming
 :salute stokes, im not trying to stick up for a whole squad, however, outlaws and legend are good sticks. been playing for a while.

because you've been around long enough to know better.
because people respected you, and by doing this, you've betrayed that respect.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Max on January 11, 2009, 05:56:55 PM
Honestly, id really like to meet some of the keyboard tough guys out there 1-1 and just see how snobby they are

MasonX...you and me...DA RIGHT NOw!!

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4488/toughguyts8.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toughguyts8.jpg)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 11, 2009, 06:00:10 PM
and it isnt like me. just another stupid thing ive done in my youth

how old are you?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NoBaddy on January 11, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
First, the only thing worse that what these dweebs did is for anyone to post this here. Wanna see the new scoring info page go bye-bye? Keep postin' this crap here.

Since it is here....

I had a "run-in" with Outlaws1 back in July. We got into it on ch200 and ended up in the DA. The upshot was he sent films to HTC accusing me of cheating. ME!! :rofl If I was capable of cheating, does anyone believe I would suck as bad as I do??? :rolleyes: I am very surprised to find that he is an experienced player....I really did think he was just another mouthy newbie (no offense, Newbie :D). Just goes to show....you never can tell.

Mason...

You should just walk away. You have made your apology. Anything else you do at this point will simply make you a bigger target. There is no excuse for what you did. You knew it was wrong. Accept the crap that comes with this kind of thing and move on.


BTW, this isn't "cheating". It is manipulating the scoring system. I guarantee that cheating is the ONLY thing that HT frowns upon more than jerking his scoring system around....and no, HTC doesn't advertise how and when they deal with crap like this. It isn't good for business. I would think that these folks will be lucky if point are all that get deleted. COD...must be tuff to be this stupid.  :frown:


MasonX...you and me...DA RIGHT NOw!!

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4488/toughguyts8.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toughguyts8.jpg)


So, Maxy...why did you post a picture of the X? Figure that will intimidate him? :D


Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: viper215 on January 11, 2009, 06:04:13 PM
and if we have 3 kills under those u expect us not to land just cause of the proxies?



LMAO 3 kills I saw someone land 37 in a jug ffs.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 11, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
First, the only thing worse that what these dweebs did is for anyone to post this here. Wanna see the new scoring info page go bye-bye? Keep postin' this crap here.

Since it is here....

I had a "run-in" with Outlaws1 back in July. We got into it on ch200 and ended up in the DA. The upshot was he sent films to HTC accusing me of cheating. ME!! :rofl If I was capable of cheating, does anyone believe I would suck as bad as I do??? :rolleyes: I am very surprised to find that he is an experienced player....I really did think he was just another mouthy newbie (no offense, Newbie :D). Just goes to show....you never can tell.

Mason...

You should just walk away. You have made your apology. Anything else you do at this point will simply make you a bigger target. There is no excuse for what you did. You knew it was wrong. Accept the crap that comes with this kind of thing and move on.


BTW, this isn't "cheating". It is manipulating the scoring system. I guarantee that cheating is the ONLY thing that HT frowns upon more than jerking his scoring system around....and no, HTC doesn't advertise how and when they deal with crap like this. It isn't good for business. I would think that these folks will be lucky if point are all that get deleted. COD...must be tuff to be this stupid.  :frown:



So, Maxy...why did you post a picture of the X? Figure that will intimidate him? :D




dude.....you really think you suck? i've seen you fight....i've lost planes to you......i also think you;re probably one of the better sticks in this game. pretty cool guy too.

the comment to max........now THAT is downright mean!  :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 06:12:45 PM
stokes, im not trying to stick up for a whole squad, however, outlaws and legend are good sticks.

I guess my idea and yours of a good stick is 2 different things. Anymore i don't know what a "good stick" is. If I have to vulch myself and hang with guys that do, I'll just have to suck until i decide I'm sick of this never ending horse crap and cancel my account. I'm about fed-up with you easy mode Xbox gamers screwing up AH2.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CHAPPY on January 11, 2009, 06:18:28 PM
 :huh
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NoBaddy on January 11, 2009, 06:30:54 PM
dude.....you really think you suck? i've seen you fight....i've lost planes to you......i also think you;re probably one of the better sticks in this game. pretty cool guy too.

the comment to max........now THAT is downright mean!  :rofl

Cappy...

I've been tellin' you guys for ages....

I'm not good...you guys suck!!! :devil

In all honesty, I've played against the best sticks. I do ok....I don't totally suck....but, I'm not one of them. :)

Oh...BTW, I AM un-godly, virtually cool.  :aok


Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BaldEagl on January 11, 2009, 06:45:19 PM
dkff, i would rather these new pages for viewing myself too.

Why?  To see how successful you are at shade vulching?  Can't keep count?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: dkff49 on January 11, 2009, 06:52:41 PM
each bashing post here is just one step closer to losing those stats pages all together.

[sarcasm] WOW this is really serving a good purpose isn't it. [sarcasm]

I really suggest that everybody stop posting here before skuzzy does it for everyone and possibly shuts down the new stat pages while he is at it. It is not like he hasn't already warned us.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: uptown on January 11, 2009, 06:53:01 PM
NB,
    In hindsight I do wish I had emailed HTC instead of bringing it to th BBS because I didn't know about what Skuzzy said about the "witch hunt threads", until I seen it quoted here. But that's the only reason I feel I should have to regret anything. And I don't understand why you think the posting of this information is worse then what they are doing though.

What I think is bad for business is to allow this activity to go on tour after tour. Do you not think this will run off a player base that just wants a fair game?

I don't know if I'd call it cheating, but surely you agree it's unethical at best.

Just so you and HTC knows, I will address future revelations such as this via email to HTC and squadies only. When I stumbled upon this it must have been 2am. I was tired and not thinking clearly. I became outraged at the findings and made a mistake by publishing this on a public forum. For that I apologize.  :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: stodd on January 11, 2009, 06:57:50 PM
someone has my account info

to my knowledge no one has any of my account info.

 :confused:
out laws is bailing out of his noob trying to make everyone get the proxies trying to cover it up now i just got 11 proxies on his freaking shade :furious
:rofl That is why he has been crying "Just look at my stats"lately.



Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gameofd1 on January 11, 2009, 07:03:28 PM
LMAO 3 kills I saw someone land 37 in a jug ffs.

i meant without all the proxies i had 3 kills than the #'s guy bailed about 17 ties
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lazydog on January 11, 2009, 07:21:02 PM
lmfao CAP what are you talking about this is there parents fault .........oh how many kids you have?...... its a damn game.... all kids like to look better then they are who cares just let him move on
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 07:31:22 PM
OutLaws1 isn't AADiesel, I am almost certain for that much. AAdiesel always sounded so much more.... no other way to say this but... stoned :lol
tis true, outlaws is diesel. told him i wouldnt tell, but may as well not hide it, whole community knows already and may as well finish some more of the truth.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 07:33:32 PM
Yup, outlaws was just in there and sent his shade to the opposite front where the #'s dude was bailing at a rate of like 30-40 times a minute giving others huge kill tallies to try to deflect the blame.  So sad.

Best thing was he was denying the whole thing. 

Masonz, he called you a liar, said no one did anything and you were just making stuff up.  Quite a squad and people you got yourself mixed up with.

This is the saddest crap I've seen here in some time, and there's a lot of crap daily.
left the squad, and hopin to take a significant break to get away from all this. maybe come back in 4 or 5 months;but expect nothing except some flak about this then.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: stodd on January 11, 2009, 07:34:22 PM
tis true, outlaws is diesel. told him i wouldnt tell, but may as well not hide it, whole community knows already and may as well finish some more of the truth.
You just keep digging.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 07:35:05 PM
First, the only thing worse that what these dweebs did is for anyone to post this here. Wanna see the new scoring info page go bye-bye? Keep postin' this crap here

I might be totally off here, somebody correct me if I am, but, Skuzzy's message referring to the "witch hunts" were in regards to a questionable accusation on somebody who he deemed wasn't shade vulching. :noid At that time also there was an active witch hunt going on with everybody's stats being examined and anybody in question would get mentioned and this went on for like a solid week straight.  Is that really the case here?  This is clear cut with an admission of guilt already.  If some guys are going to blatantly shade vulch over 600 times, I think everybody has the right to know about it, and the character of those who they fly with/against and give respect to.  It's not about score, it's about integrity which is far more important. 
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 11, 2009, 07:39:30 PM
lmfao CAP what are you talking about this is there parents fault .........oh how many kids you have?...... its a damn game.... all kids like to look better then they are who cares just let him move on

i blame silly crap like this on parents, because so many parents these days don;t take time with their kids.
 i don't have any kids, and there's a reason. i do, however respect those parents that take time with their kids, and raise em right.
 they do silly crap like this, because no one ever took the time to teach em differently. that is the job of the parents, and no one else.
 i see it all the time. one of my best friends has 3 boys.......#1 is now living in Camden unmarried with a newborn...and no job. #2 hasn't held a job for more than a month, and is a habitual thief. #3 is incredibly overweight,(as in well over 300# and only 5'2), and very very two faced.
 mom keeps telling dad that their his responsibility. dad keeps telling mom their hers. so neither one of em spends time, and next ya know, their doing stupid stuff.  BTW...#1 and #2 both dropped outta school. before they did, they transferred from school to school many times. so far #3 is still in school i think..i haven't talked to them in a couple months.

 this isn't the only example i see of this. customers come in......their kids are like animals, and the cars are destroyed inside due to the kids behavior. then there's the parents that come in, the kids are very well behaved, and respectful. their cars are nice inside....due to their kids behavior.

 i don't have to be a parent to see the difference. i do believe i wouldn't make a good parent though, which is why i choose to not have any kids.

 so....once again, it comes back to the parents.

sorry if this offends ya, but if you look around, you'll see it's true.

oooo....and considering my post was the LEAST derogatory towards him, why are you quoting me here?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 07:43:37 PM
I might be totally off here, somebody correct me if I am, but, Skuzzy's message referring to the "witch hunts" were in regards to a questionable accusation on somebody who he deemed wasn't shade vulching. :noid At that time also there was an active witch hunt going on with everybody's stats being examined and anybody in question would get mentioned and this went on for like a solid week straight.  Is that really the case here?  This is clear cut with an admission of guilt already.  If some guys are going to blatantly shade vulch over 600 times, I think everybody has the right to know about it, and the character of those who they fly with/against and give respect to.  It's not about score, it's about integrity which is far more important. 
your right grizz. when skuzzy said that it was aweek long witch hunt and anyone in question was put on the spot as you said. and here it was person, who admited to his doings (me);however, if people do keep posting witch hunts wouldnt surprise me if skuzzy did something about the new stats page period.

someone mentioned something about parents not giving their kids good ethics or spending time with their kids or something to that extent. not to say this to try and make myself sound better, but my parents did a good job raising me. granted, im only 15, but one of the more polite kids for miles and miles around. meet in person sometime, ill prive it
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Rich46yo on January 11, 2009, 07:45:29 PM

Cap be truthful. How many beers did you drink today?

i blame silly crap like this on parents, because so many parents these days don;t take time with their kids.
 i don't have any kids, and there's a reason. i do, however respect those parents that take time with their kids, and raise em right.
 they do silly crap like this, because no one ever took the time to teach em differently. that is the job of the parents, and no one else.
 i see it all the time. one of my best friends has 3 boys.......#1 is now living in Camden unmarried with a newborn...and no job. #2 hasn't held a job for more than a month, and is a habitual thief. #3 is incredibly overweight,(as in well over 300# and only 5'2), and very very two faced.
 mom keeps telling dad that their his responsibility. dad keeps telling mom their hers. so neither one of em spends time, and next ya know, their doing stupid stuff.  BTW...#1 and #2 both dropped outta school. before they did, they transferred from school to school many times. so far #3 is still in school i think..i haven't talked to them in a couple months.

 this isn't the only example i see of this. customers come in......their kids are like animals, and the cars are destroyed inside due to the kids behavior. then there's the parents that come in, the kids are very well behaved, and respectful. their cars are nice inside....due to their kids behavior.

 i don't have to be a parent to see the difference. i do believe i wouldn't make a good parent though, which is why i choose to not have any kids.

 so....once again, it comes back to the parents.

sorry if this offends ya, but if you look around, you'll see it's true.

oooo....and considering my post was the LEAST derogatory towards him, why are you quoting me here?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NoBaddy on January 11, 2009, 07:45:58 PM
I might be totally off here, somebody correct me if I am...

Ok....

The reason they don't want it discussed here is that same reason they don't want accusations of cheating discussed here....it is a negative disruption. Negatives disruptions are not good for business. In addition, if things like this continue to be posted here....they will put a lock on the new scoring pages to do away with the disruption.

Uptown...see the above (by way of explanation) & a big old :salute to yah. :)

i do believe i wouldn't make a good parent though, which is why i choose to not have any kids.

Cap...I'm not sure I agree....but I can :salute your choice to opt out of the gene pool. :)

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: dkff49 on January 11, 2009, 07:46:54 PM
Skuzzy's words were "these witch hunts" indicating more than one and indicating to me it was not just the one that the thread he posted in was about butin respect to all of the ones that went on since the start of the new stat pages. He did also say that all accusations should be made via email and this is not the correct place, also indicating that this is what he was referring to.

Those quotes I gave were from the same post and in that order not mixed and matched.

I am not really trying to moderate here, simply giving a little warning in case everyone forgot, take it as you will though for I am sure that Skuzzy will let us know if this thread is indeed over the line or not.

I personally don't want to push the line though since I like the new stat pages for personal stats and not for these purposes.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Ok....

The reason they don't want it discussed here is that same reason they don't want accusations of cheating discussed here....it is a negative disruption.


True, but it's important for the community to learn what kind of people they are flying with and giving respect to.  According to HTC's policy we'd still be grinning and WTGing the 3 yahoo's for landing big numbered kills.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 08:00:10 PM
True, but it's important for the community to learn what kind of people they are flying with and giving respect to.  According to HTC's policy we'd still be grinning and WTGing the 3 yahoo's for landing big numbered kills.
we didnt land em. bailed/crashed so unless you looked at stats (appears uptown did for some reason) it wouldn't be odd. not trying to stir the pot, just tryin to clarify little tidbits.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shane on January 11, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
however, if people do keep posting witch hunts wouldnt surprise me if skuzzy did something about the new stats page period.


this is why we burn all the witches, so we don't have to keep hunting them. ha. ha.

anyway...  just for you...

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=3bb0249cc664c7f5e4ee8073deec378f
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pervert on January 11, 2009, 08:02:36 PM
i blame silly crap like this on parents, because so many parents these days don;t take time with their kids.
 i don't have any kids, and there's a reason. i do, however respect those parents that take time with their kids, and raise em right.
 they do silly crap like this, because no one ever took the time to teach em differently. that is the job of the parents, and no one else.
 i see it all the time. one of my best friends has 3 boys.......#1 is now living in Camden unmarried with a newborn...and no job. #2 hasn't held a job for more than a month, and is a habitual thief. #3 is incredibly overweight,(as in well over 300# and only 5'2), and very very two faced.
 mom keeps telling dad that their his responsibility. dad keeps telling mom their hers. so neither one of em spends time, and next ya know, their doing stupid stuff.  BTW...#1 and #2 both dropped outta school. before they did, they transferred from school to school many times. so far #3 is still in school i think..i haven't talked to them in a couple months.

 this isn't the only example i see of this. customers come in......their kids are like animals, and the cars are destroyed inside due to the kids behavior. then there's the parents that come in, the kids are very well behaved, and respectful. their cars are nice inside....due to their kids behavior.

 i don't have to be a parent to see the difference. i do believe i wouldn't make a good parent though, which is why i choose to not have any kids.

 so....once again, it comes back to the parents.

sorry if this offends ya, but if you look around, you'll see it's true.

oooo....and considering my post was the LEAST derogatory towards him, why are you quoting me here?

CAP mate your in for the shock of your life if you ever do become a parent nothings clear cut being a parent.  :lol
Its all very well saying I'd do this and that, you don't know what the circumstances are surrounding this situation, when a
relationship goes wrong with kids involved it usually goes very wrong and the kids are the ones that suffer for it and
life isn't always perfect and people don't always stay together for whatever reason. Parenting is a very tough job the hardest imo.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pervert on January 11, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
this is why we burn all the witches, so we don't have to keep hunting them. ha. ha.

anyway...  just for you...

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=3bb0249cc664c7f5e4ee8073deec378f

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 08:05:58 PM
this is why we burn all the witches, so we don't have to keep hunting them. ha. ha.

anyway...  just for you...

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=3bb0249cc664c7f5e4ee8073deec378f
not my account, cant be my shade as you made it sound to be.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: crazyivan on January 11, 2009, 08:13:45 PM
I thought I was good till I shot myself in the leg. Doh! :uhoh
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shane on January 11, 2009, 08:17:14 PM
not my account, cant be my shade as you made it sound to be.

reading is phundamental... go watch it again.    :aok

but you sure owned it like it was your account.   :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lyric1 on January 11, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
;but expect nothing except some flak about this then.
NAAAH Amosil21 is back & I have not heard any one moan about it. He apologised & we have all moved on my guess is the same for you.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 11, 2009, 08:51:17 PM
i expect nothing from anyone, no sympothy, nothing. think what you want, amsoils case died after the thread was locked.

im done with this thread, pointless to keep arguing when people are going to see me as one type of person from here out. hasnt happened to anyone in past for most part. o well. cant wait for monday.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 11, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
CAP mate your in for the shock of your life if you ever do become a parent nothings clear cut being a parent.  :lol
Its all very well saying I'd do this and that, you don't know what the circumstances are surrounding this situation, when a
relationship goes wrong with kids involved it usually goes very wrong and the kids are the ones that suffer for it and
life isn't always perfect and people don't always stay together for whatever reason. Parenting is a very tough job the hardest imo.

That bad children can be raised by good parents has been observed and documented since antiquity.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: thrila on January 11, 2009, 08:58:42 PM
Once caught amsoil owned up, he knows what he did was wrong.  Amsoil could have changed his ID and started afresh but chose not to, even though i believe what he did was totally unacceptable i think it is highly commendable that he retained his name.  He knows his reputation is tarnished from what he did, but has chosen to attempt to rebuild it.  I'm not sure how i would react in the same situation.

Outlaws1 however is in complete denial of any wrong doing and was demanding proof on 200, despite several people letting him know that the odds of killing someone over 200 times in a single tour is highly unlikely.



Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NoBaddy on January 11, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
Outlaws1 however is in complete denial of any wrong doing and was demanding proof on 200, despite several people letting him know that the odds of killing someone over 200 times in a single tour is highly unlikely.

...and that is far from the only thing he is in denial about.

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Rich46yo on January 11, 2009, 09:55:57 PM
Every kid makes mistakes.

Everyones kid has made mistakes. I dont care if your name is Ward Cleaver. Your kid is going to make mistakes. And guess what?

We all did as kids too. Thats in real life mind you. Not in internet "make believe life" where you can as perfect as you can type.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: crazyivan on January 11, 2009, 10:17:52 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff34/fifi71/denial.jpg)
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: kj714 on January 11, 2009, 10:27:01 PM
Yep, time for the in-depth stats page to go, it serves no purpose except for bashing people publicly. I don't know whats really worse, a kid vulching a shade, or a bunch of grown men sitting around vulching a kid on the bbs. If it's that important to HTC, let them program something to highlight outlier stats like this and then let them deal with it appropriately. A parent would be an idiot to let their kid play this game and be subjected to this kind of nonsense.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 11, 2009, 10:54:47 PM
I don't know whats really worse, a kid vulching a shade, or a bunch of grown men sitting around vulching a kid on the bbs.

Poor kids.  I feel sowwy for them now.  :cry
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: stodd on January 11, 2009, 11:07:18 PM
it serves no purpose except for bashing people publicly.
Wrong.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BaldEagl on January 11, 2009, 11:32:53 PM
The reason they don't want it discussed here is that same reason they don't want accusations of cheating discussed here....it is a negative disruption. Negatives disruptions are not good for business.

Oh please.  The whole BBs is a negative disruption.  But an entertaining one.

Every kid makes mistakes.

Everyones kid has made mistakes. I dont care if your name is Ward Cleaver. Your kid is going to make mistakes. And guess what?

Opie Taylor didn't.   :D
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bmwgs on January 11, 2009, 11:55:36 PM
Oh please.  The whole BBs is a negative disruption.  But an entertaining one.

Opie Taylor didn't.   :D


 :aok :aok :aok :aok


Fred
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: dedalos on January 12, 2009, 12:06:08 AM
wow, no one cares about score.  Score has no meaning.  :rofl And yet, 16 pages  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shane on January 12, 2009, 12:12:34 AM
wow, no one cares about score.  Score has no meaning.  :rofl And yet, 16 pages  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

it's been all about the horde the past few years yanno?    :noid
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Auger on January 12, 2009, 01:06:09 AM
A possible solution to this is a score blackout for the offenders.  No score, no perks, no name in lights when landing kills. First offense one month, second offense 3 months, third offense 12 months.  Programming it is probably not so easy though.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SHawk on January 12, 2009, 01:37:04 AM
Every kid makes mistakes.

Everyones kid has made mistakes. I dont care if your name is Ward Cleaver. Your kid is going to make mistakes. And guess what?

We all did as kids too. Thats in real life mind you. Not in internet "make believe life" where you can as perfect as you can type.

But these kids have done it before and said they'd never do it again, only to come right back and prove to us they are complete idiots without remorse or a sense of wrong doing.

That being said, is exactly whats wrong with the world today. No sense of respect, responsiblity or reasoning.
One word in a nutshell.......Morality!!!

And don't even tell me that what they do online doesn't reflect on how they act in real life. And YES it is the parents Fault.

Just my Honest Opinion
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: drdeathx on January 12, 2009, 02:19:03 AM
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq77/AAdeath/Baby_in_jail.jpg)


I have to say 1 thing. Outlaws invited me and a fellow AH member to his squad. I had no idea what he was doing until yesterday. My fellow squadie bailed cause the embarassment. We might not all "like" each other but the integrity of the game needs to stay intact so here it goes:

Fact: Outlaws1 is really AADeisel
Fact: AADiesel hacked his file and got banned
Fact: Outlaws1 purchased software to change his IP address and anything to trace him(Do not know if this is possible but he told me)
Fact: Outlaws1 was using sound software to disguise his voice
Fact: Outlaws1 had a secondary acct. to "PAD HIS SCORE"


Outlaws1 may be a good pilot but I have seen him get in furballs that even Shawk would get into and get killed(Sorry Shawk tryin to make a point) and he came out with 5 or more kills. I understand this is possible but given the evidence I think he found a way around to alter something in the game(I have no idea if this game uses anything like punkbuster. There are ways around Punkbuster). This guy hardly gets killed in pretty heavy furballs.

The deal about the money he pays Hi Tec should be a non issue. The game may lose more than 2 accts. due to certain individuals working around some of the community standards. The boot would certainly be my vote.

Some of us make posts about "Cherry Picking" and not to kill hangers or not take a CV down really simplifies the nature of some individuals who really DO NOT CARE why the majority of us play Aces High. Most of us play to take bases and win the map. Some of us go on bombing milk runs to raise their score or take M3's to ammo/radar factories to destroy buildings to pad score and get perkie points(What talent this is!).

To me the game is to work as a team and win a map. There are so many great squads that actually play this game and fly like world class pilots. They use teamwork to accomplish objectives such as taking a  base or assisting winning a map! Isn't this what war is about?

Hopefully we can take this as a lesson from this selfish individual and remember what flying and combat really is all about. Teamwork and skill! Maybe the scoretards, and single cherry pickin vulchers should fly like a world class team mates and world class pilots. The REAL COMPETITIVENESS OF THIS GAME will come out and make a pleasant gaming experience for all. New members and seasoned veterens. This game should be about your country winning not about yourself. Remember, there is no "I" in Team.

DRDEATH

Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: oakranger on January 12, 2009, 02:25:32 AM

And don't even tell me that what they do online doesn't reflect on how they act in real life. And YES it is the parents Fault.


I do agree with you.  These dam kids just have no respect for anyone at all.  Just the other day a 12 year old told me to f*** off.   :confused:
I feel sorry for the teachers; they have their hands tie while these kids walk all over them.  A few years ago, i went to talk to some high school kids.  As the teacher try to get them to be quite, they just kept on yapping away.  One was text messaging on the cell phone.  Seeing that she couldn’t control them, i yell on the top of my voice for their attention.  I even threaten little missy with the cell phone to turn it off or i will do it myself.  The teacher looked at me with a "OMG" look.  After done talking to them, she came to me asking me why i did that.  I flat out told her that she has no control of the kids so i had to step in.  
Heck, I used to coach soccer but fed up with the dam parents coming to me crying why little Jonny is not getting the ball.  "Gees,  may be if you get his fat a** off the couch, stop drinking so much pop and eating junk food, and have him play outside more, maybe he came run faster"...... but i just kept my mouth shoot.  
But it is not always the parents fault.  Keep in mind you have a few ppl out there that over reacted when you try to discipline your child.  What ends up happening, SRS knocking at your door.  
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ColKLink on January 12, 2009, 03:40:17 AM
masonz,.....see my signature, it will help you. LOL,...... :rock
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: crazyivan on January 12, 2009, 05:13:25 AM
I like getting shot down in a furball of my own making! If Im not plz ask me to join so I can die some more. Screw score I'm ADD.

but salute the few that are good at it. :salute
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Getback on January 12, 2009, 05:17:48 AM
This is a dead horse.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MaSonZ on January 12, 2009, 05:36:52 AM


 

Hopefully we can take this as a lesson from this selfish individual and remember what flying and combat really is all about.




mentioned outlaws something some people havn't done;however, this thread starts out for 3 people, all doing same thingand you say one individual what happened to the other two?

This is a dead horse.
i agree, took 17 pages then Rich said 1 thing and it died. if only a few more people in the world had sense enough to think how rich did.

all and all, i feel like the 2 week noob who asks questions and gets bashed then see someone say "you were new once too!" these "adults" who are supposed to be more "Moral" as one person put it, but i feel "Mature and teaching good lessons" should think back to the "you were new too!" but add young in place of new. these "adults" you would guess would have more sense to act half way like they would in a public place over a game forum as they expect us kids to do, but then they do these witch hunts and complain just as much as we kids do. believe it was Grizz who made a comment "I feel sorry for kids now" after Rich made his post, if you feel so damn sorry, why did you bother to take place in this thread anyway? if you felt so sorry about doing it, but doing it anyway I feel I should have no respect for you;i feel youll backstab me whenever you can (even if it wasnt about this, something else, say i took down the hangars, first to point at me)

final thoughts before this gets locked as i know it will like all others. I will be happy to see that when i get home today.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Rich46yo on January 12, 2009, 06:20:34 AM
Geez take it easy Hawk. In my life kids dont get on my radar screen until they shoot another 15yo or stick a knife in their teachers guts. Pretty heavy thinking over a kid who rented a second cartoon airplane with his left hand, to shoot down with his right. :huh This is no different then all the boneheads that tell their buddies and squadies, cross channel or on the phone, where the missions or CVs are.

But...I guess you take score seriously.

I got news for you. If this is the worst they do in life then they are way ahead of the pack.


But these kids have done it before and said they'd never do it again, only to come right back and prove to us they are complete idiots without remorse or a sense of wrong doing.

That being said, is exactly whats wrong with the world today. No sense of respect, responsiblity or reasoning.
One word in a nutshell.......Morality!!!

And don't even tell me that what they do online doesn't reflect on how they act in real life. And YES it is the parents Fault.

Just my Honest Opinion
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: grizz441 on January 12, 2009, 06:28:40 AM
believe it was Grizz who made a comment "I feel sorry for kids now" after Rich made his post, if you feel so damn sorry, why did you bother to take place in this thread anyway? if you felt so sorry about doing it, but doing it anyway I feel I should have no respect for you;i feel youll backstab me whenever you can (even if it wasnt about this, something else, say i took down the hangars, first to point at me)

Lol MasonZ you mean this comment?

Poor kids.  I feel sowwy for them now.  :cry

You must not have caught onto the heavy sarcasm there.  Figured the emoticon would have been a dead give away.  I don't feel sorry for you 'kids' the least bit, which is why I took place in this thread, to flame you, outlaws1, and legend.  Comprende?
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Rich46yo on January 12, 2009, 06:36:53 AM
Kid why dont you quit yapping and let the thread die out on its own steam, without babbling and making it worse. It doesn't matter what the other two did. What Billy and Bobby did has nothing to do with what Mason did. I suggest you learn from this and grow up some. These guys play fair and square and dont like stunts like the one you pulled, nor do I. I just have a unique perspective and take gaming drama for what its worth. Most of all with kids cause I have to deal with such traumatized ones.

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i  agree, took 17 pages then Rich said 1 thing and it died. if only a few more people in the world had sense enough to think how rich did.

To much talk from a kid that showed no sense.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tr0jan on January 12, 2009, 06:43:36 AM
This threads now boring  :confused:
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: WarTooth on January 12, 2009, 07:06:52 AM
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the that score/rank system is meaningless

How about this.  For those who partake in these despicable tactics (shade accounts, flying 5% as FIGHTER and 95% as ATTACK, etc.) they get an asterisks+.  They get an icon :lol or the like that identifies them as lame everywhere stats are listed for the time period\tour listed.  Make them poster children of the lame.

As a programmer I can tell you this would be easy to write with 99.999% accuracy.  It would not be something that HT would need to do manually.

Only have it displayed for the time period\tour listed where they engaged in these practices so they have the opportunity to not be lame-listed permanently.  Let them have the opportunity to fly like a pilot if they choose in the future.

What do you think?

If you guys like the idea post it in Wishlist.  In fact, I'd be glad to right the code if HT does not want to put any resources into it.

WT
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Lusche on January 12, 2009, 07:25:39 AM
How about this.  For those who partake in these despicable tactics (shade accounts, flying 5% as FIGHTER and 95% as ATTACK, etc.) they get an asterisks+.  T

As a programmer I can tell you this would be easy to write with 99.999% accuracy.  It would not be something that HT would need to do manually.

It's not that easy.

How do you identify a "shade" when it's done from adifferent computer with different IP? What if one is flying 95% as ATTACk because he is really attacking ground targets most of the time (landgrabber or tank hunter). Your 99.999% accuracy is wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: WarTooth on January 12, 2009, 07:35:27 AM
>> It's not that easy.

Just takes time and adequate QC.  No big whoop.  Been doing for much more demanding specifications than this for years.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 832725 on January 12, 2009, 07:40:46 AM
11220501 has 2 kills on ~~OutLaws_LeGeNdS~~
~~OutLaws_LeGeNdS~~ have 547 kills on 11220501

11220501 died 4 times per minute...in planes..for more than 2 hours.

 :rofl
i got 7 hehe
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 12, 2009, 07:44:36 AM
mentioned outlaws something some people havn't done;however, this thread starts out for 3 people, all doing same thingand you say one individual what happened to the other two?
i agree, took 17 pages then Rich said 1 thing and it died. if only a few more people in the world had sense enough to think how rich did.


we do. you're 15. still a kid, yes. still gonna make mistakes.....just like we all did at your age, yes........but this one in particular, you have no excuse for. at 15, you're old enough to know better. you've seen people called out on this stuff. you KNEW the new stats pages would make it easy to see what you were doing.

 you knew what you were doing, and said you knew it was wrong.
makes one wonder how you carry yourself in r/l.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Wizer on January 12, 2009, 08:03:41 AM
SAPP deals with this internally. That is all that will be said about that.

For the record... S.A.P.P. is not a Squad. We are just a rag tag bunch of folks that love the 38. Both in game and historically. Many individuals in SAPP are members of Squads and they come from all chess pieces. SAPP is a place where we can gather and share the history as well as tactics used and training. It is also a place where we can setup gatherings in game for mindless fun. We don't gather to affect game play other than to have lots of fun.

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Does that mean that he is still a proud member of SAPP who I have believed had a standards of conduct?  - even if formed to have fun. :salute

p.s. please don't misunderstand me.  I have the utmost respect of SAPP pilots, most of whom have shot me down many times.  I just don't believe that anyone who cheats should be allowed to wear the colors of a respectable squad or group. 
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAP1 on January 12, 2009, 08:31:33 AM
Does that mean that he is still a proud member of SAPP who I have believed had a standards of conduct?  - even if formed to have fun. :salute

p.s. please don't misunderstand me.  I have the utmost respect of SAPP pilots, most of whom have shot me down many times.  I just don't believe that anyone who cheats should be allowed to wear the colors of a respectable squad or group. 

you've obviously not flown against me.  :D i tend to get kilt more than i kill.  :rofl
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BaldEagl on January 12, 2009, 09:55:47 AM
all and all, i feel like the 2 week noob who asks questions and gets bashed then see someone say "you were new once too!" these "adults" who are supposed to be more "Moral" as one person put it, but i feel "Mature and teaching good lessons" should think back to the "you were new too!" but add young in place of new. these "adults" you would guess would have more sense to act half way like they would in a public place over a game forum as they expect us kids to do, but then they do these witch hunts and complain just as much as we kids do.

Oh please.  The "I'm just a kid" argument doesn't cut it since you've already admitted you knew better.  Now you're just squirming; another unsavory trait.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Fugitive on January 12, 2009, 10:05:39 AM
mentioned outlaws something some people havn't done;however, this thread starts out for 3 people, all doing same thingand you say one individual what happened to the other two?
i agree, took 17 pages then Rich said 1 thing and it died. if only a few more people in the world had sense enough to think how rich did.

all and all, i feel like the 2 week noob who asks questions and gets bashed then see someone say "you were new once too!" these "adults" who are supposed to be more "Moral" as one person put it, but i feel "Mature and teaching good lessons" should think back to the "you were new too!" but add young in place of new. these "adults" you would guess would have more sense to act half way like they would in a public place over a game forum as they expect us kids to do, but then they do these witch hunts and complain just as much as we kids do. believe it was Grizz who made a comment "I feel sorry for kids now" after Rich made his post, if you feel so damn sorry, why did you bother to take place in this thread anyway? if you felt so sorry about doing it, but doing it anyway I feel I should have no respect for you;i feel youll backstab me whenever you can (even if it wasnt about this, something else, say i took down the hangars, first to point at me)

final thoughts before this gets locked as i know it will like all others. I will be happy to see that when i get home today.


The point people are trying to make is that today you got "caught" padding your score, but what about tomorrow? Setting up off shore accounts to hide funds from the company you work for? Setting up dummy companies to hide tax money from the government? Todays kids are getting the wrong message from the internet. I CAN do this because there are no consequences being a nameless bunch of 1's and 0's. 

You mentioned "you guys don't remember what it was like being a newb", I do, but it has nothing to do with honor. I had the opportunity to bend the rules many a time but never took it. You EARN respect....even in this community, you don't BUY it, or STEAL it. Cutting corners gets you threads like this "witch hunts". You'll take a beating, but if you truly stick it out you may even come out on top. 5 minutes of stupidity will take you months, maybe YEARS to erase, even in real life never mind just this game/community
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Steve on January 12, 2009, 10:21:50 AM
mentioned outlaws something some people havn't done;however, this thread starts out for 3 people, all doing same thingand you say one individual what happened to the other two?
i agree, took 17 pages then Rich said 1 thing and it died. if only a few more people in the world had sense enough to think how rich did.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Attempt to play the victim and take the high road?  DENIED!

Even young people should have a sense of fair play. You knew what you were doing. Don't blame others. You besmirched yourself, acted like AHII slime. As unrepentant as you are, you  really must be slime. Don't try to play the "kid" card. You knew what you were doing.  MasonZ:  slimeball
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: CAVPFCDD on January 12, 2009, 10:28:54 AM
ok he's been outed, embarressed, and ridiculed

leave him alone, and let's hope he has some dignity and learned his lesson, 18 pages is about enough
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on January 12, 2009, 10:34:27 AM
Does that mean that he is still a proud member of SAPP who I have believed had a standards of conduct?  - even if formed to have fun. :salute

p.s. please don't misunderstand me.  I have the utmost respect of SAPP pilots, most of whom have shot me down many times.  I just don't believe that anyone who cheats should be allowed to wear the colors of a respectable squad or group. 

I can assure you that SAPP has no tolerance for this behavior. You and I flew together for a while in the 327th, you should know that I would not tolerate or associate with anyone guilty of it. Action has been taken. There should be no more need for commentary by SAPP.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: DCCBOSS on January 12, 2009, 10:42:33 AM
Enough is enough lets say anybody who is observed to be shooting their own shade account should be recorded and sent into HTC end of story.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Steve on January 12, 2009, 10:57:19 AM
their own shade account should be recorded and sent into HTC end of story.

no, not the end of story. They should be outed and exposed, subjected to ridicule and ostricized. Perhaps it will be a deterrent for the next knucklehead who considers it.
Title: Re: Alert we have a shade vulcher!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: hitech on January 12, 2009, 11:14:42 AM
Any issue like this is best handled via email with us.

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